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Neo who?

lj friedman
 

Who is this and Neo that we speak of? And how do I update my case history to the correct site? Oh Jay Friedman San Diego November 2014.
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Re: Would this hay concern you?

Lorna Cane
 


Hi Susan,

>My question about the hay was specifically the WSC number. It is so much higher than the ESC number, and it seems some folks say we should pay attention to that, while others don't seem to give it a thought.

If you do a search of WSC some great posts will come up.
But check this one out from Kathleen (Dr. Gustafson) back in October.

189715


It can definitely be confusing, but bottom line is that we pay attention to ESC + Starch,and not the WSC.
I think Kathleen explains it well.

Lorna in Ontario,Canada
ECIR Moderator 2002

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Re: Would this hay concern you?

S Kauffmann
 

Hi Lorna,

I have moved to the Reno, NV area, so that is where I am posting from now.

My question about the hay was specifically the WSC number. It is so much higher than the ESC number, and it seems some folks say we should pay attention to that, while others don't seem to give it a thought. Was hoping someone would address that.

Thank you!

Susan K
VC Highlands, NV
Member since 2003


Re: ODTB salt question

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 


Aurelio is absolutely right about this.

Eleanor in PA
www.drkellon.com
EC co-owner
Feb 2001

---In EquineCushings@..., <ahenriques@...> wrote :

Hi, Tiffany,
    You can use either kind of salt because the amount of iodine added in the cubes would not put you over any safety levels for Iodine even if you use iodized salt.
 
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Re: Need Help with IR, PPID 11 year old gelding

corrine haffner
 

Hi 

The spelling of my name can be either spelling doesn't matter. Called cornell blood work wasn't handled properly for being shipped so blood work isn't accurate. Blood was drawn on the 8th of december at 9.30 am.Will get the hard copy of results, will post when i get them,they were same as what i posted already.

So i didn't put current IR results in updated case history did put ppid results. He is not well today very sore footed not wanting to move much. He is blanketed, booted and front legs are wrapped its 22 degrees out today,temps are going to drop into  minus 24 this weekend. His sheath has also become swollen.

He is currently on the emergency diet. Will try and get hoof pic here but he is not willing to pickup feet to get sole pics. Best i can do is side veiws that don't require him to pickup feet,he's standing where the footing is really deep,so not sure i can get him to move to better,footing for pics. 

I checked for heat did not feel any in either front foot,no bounding pulse either when  i checked. The ground is rock hard and ice covered so that might be part of his issues?? If more info is need just ask i'll try my best to anwser.  

In case link i post for case history doesn't work go to this post it works there. #191156  My computer is beyond frustrating for me.

Thanks 
Corrine & jasper

In minnesota




Re: ODTB salt question

Aurelio Henriques
 

Hi, Tiffany,
    You can use either kind of salt because the amount of iodine added in the cubes would not put you over any safety levels for Iodine even if you use iodized salt.
 
Kind regards,

Aurelio, Ontario Dehy, Ontario Canada.

On 1/2/2015 12:30 PM, tiffanywoodward79@... [EquineCushings] wrote:
 

If a horse is being switched to ODTB cubes, is iodized or non-iodized salt recommended?  I know that iodized salt was part of the emergency diet, but I see that iodine is added to ODTB.



Tiffany Woodward in NC
Nov. 2014
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory8/files/TiffanyWoodward%20and%20Maggie/

  https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory8/photos/albums/540173897




Prascend Experiences and Reporting to the FDA

Nancy C
 

*** Prascend Experiences 

Anxiety is running high over the claim that 1 to 3  mg  of Prascend (average size horse) will work as well as any dose of compounded pergolide. 

The value of this group lies heavily in members reporting their experiences. We now have nearly 30 reports in this file. 

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There’s so much info here, the links below can help you negotiate the learning
curve and find background to questions and issues:

** DDT+E - Diagnosis, Diet, Trim plus Exercise - What is it?


Once at the above page, click on the list to the left for even more detail.

****START HERE folder.  Similar to above but also has other great files. including how to start a Case History.


** What blood testing do I need for diagnosis?



** How to get help with Mineral Balancing



** How to search the FILES sections for documents with NEO.  You must be a member to do this. Go to the FILES section via the web page


At the top of your browser window, look for the SEARCH FILES WINDOW and enter your search word(s).  Try Diagnosis, for example.  All docs with diagnosis in them will appear.  In this case DDT Diagnosis, diagnosing Insulin Resistance, IR Pony Field Study, Low Dose Dex test and more all came up. Click on the Topic heading to open the document.


** Archived Messages - How to Search this treasure trove of information and
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ODTB salt question

Tiffany Woodward
 

If a horse is being switched to ODTB cubes, is iodized or non-iodized salt recommended?  I know that iodized salt was part of the emergency diet, but I see that iodine is added to ODTB.



Tiffany Woodward in NC
Nov. 2014
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory8/files/TiffanyWoodward%20and%20Maggie/

  https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory8/photos/albums/540173897



Re: neuritis vs. laminitis

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Hi Beverly,

Agree totally with both Nancy and Lorna.

In addition, 1/2 of a 57mg tablet of Previcox, once per day, for a 450lb horse is an overdose amount. Doubling that to twice per day is even more risky. This is a common issue when vets prescribe Previcox vs the Equioxx (for cost savings) due to the huge dosing difference between the correct dose for canines vs that for equines. Previcox is most valuable for arthritis issues, which is not what you are dealing with so will have limited value at best. Please see these links for more info:

http://www.drugs.com/pro/equioxx.html

http://www.claramasondvm.com/previcox-in-horses.pml


The spongy sole and fluid build up is/was likely a sub-solar abscess. Once changes were made to her previous, incorrect hoof form, it was likely abscesses might form to get rid of areas of damaged tissue. Allowing it to drain was a good idea as long as the farrier didn't remove the entire layer of sole that was the outside cover which was protecting the maturing live sole underneath. Exposing it prematurely will invite bruising and definitely cause more soreness. It will harden as it matures now that the fluid is gone. Starting her on J-herb would be perfect in this scenario as it will help increase blood supply to the feet, which in turn will encourage growth. It has mild pain relieving properties and will also encourage any residual, hidden abscesses to mature and exit. Taping plastic shoes on temporarily for protection is fine as long as they are maintaining a proper breakover point. If not, it will set her recovery time back.

Urge you to get some current hoof pix - maybe a friend or barnmate has a phone or camera you could borrow for a bit?

Lavinia, Dante, George Too and Peanut
Jan 05, RI
EC Support Team

>>>>>

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Re: Need Help with IR, PPID 11 year old gelding

ThePitchforkPrincess@...
 

Hi All 
Jasper's case history has been updated:

Corinne/Corrine, which is the correct spelling of your name?  I think you've used both. If Corrine is wrong, it can be changed.    The only reason we care about the spelling is because the internet address (Case History Link) must be exact.  

Hang in there Cor/inne/rine!  

LeeAnne, Newmarket, Ontario

ECIR Archivist 03/2004

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Re: neuritis vs. laminitis

Lorna Cane
 



>It appears we are running in circles for poor, sweet Ginger. There is no magic bullet.

What Nancy said,Beverly.

We all know what it's like to want to find the perfect fix and fix it NOW.
Can't be done.
Especially not the NOW part.

You need to give things that you change a chance to work.
It's agony waiting.
But you have received very sound suggestions,and now it's just a matter of putting them in place.

Otherwise it's like that old saying  about jumping on your horse and riding off in all directions.

Best advice, as Nancy said ,now is to pull up all the old messages and reread them,over a nice cupa. Make notes.

Takes time.
Pays off.


Lorna in Ontario,Canada
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Re: neuritis vs. laminitis

Nancy C
 

Beverly

It appears we are running in circles for poor, sweet Ginger. There is no magic bullet.

In order to get the insulin down you need to zero in on why it is still high. Please reread many previous emails to you.  Here's a link to your list in the message archives. Book mark it so you can review. It helps to save emails sent to you on these questions that don't seem to get answered, so you can go back and review.

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EquineCushings/search/messages?query=beverly%20ginger


Prevcox will block the j herb.  Please see many previous links and messages on why NSAIDs don't work.  It is a favorite place for vets to go though but you are slowing down if not blocking progress for this horse.

If she is abscessing, jherb is likely the best thing for her right now. Setting her up on plastic shoes may not be the best for her right now if she is still laminitic and has decent.  You could be setting her up to rotate or drop further.  If you can't get rads, at least send us pictures.  Borrow a camera or iPhone.

Pain can cause a horse to go off foods. Not necessarily all foods. Sometimes just some of the things she used to eat well. 



Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
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---In EquineCushings@..., <bmeyer@...> wrote :

Thanks for all the info on neuropathy, the cold, insulin and more! Yes,
we've got to get that insulin down! But how?

Beverly
Beverly Texas 6/14
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory8/files/Beverly%20Texas/

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Re: Pasture with muzzle?

 

Stephanie,

That's a decision you have to make. All I can do is tell you what can happen. It depends on his history, too. For example, before I joined this group, I made a bad decision to turn my horse out on winter pasture, thinking it was safe. I was using a magnesium supplement that someone told me about, thinking it would "fix" IR. I barely had an understanding of IR in horses. My vet at the time had no understanding and recommended "2 flakes a day of hay and nothing else." Knowing what I know now, I would have recognized that his insulin was sky high and he was hovering on the brink of laminitis. I turned him out on a snow covered pasture in December and he came back with laminitis.

Knowing what I know now - his weight has been the same for 9 years, he has no crest or lumpy fat, his insulin is in the normal range and has been for years - I turn him out on pasture. But... I also know the risk. Even though it's been 9 years, I know he and his pasture mate are prone to IR. Joe is 20 now, so I have to bear in mind that he's a candidate for PPID, too.  

I made that decision very slowly, well over a year after his laminitic episode. I built a Paddock Paradise. That seemed like a good idea and it was minimally effective, but we live in a region with very little rock and I ended up with terrible pasture erosion that has taken years to repair. I muzzled for years - still do - and for a long time, had trouble keeping weight ON him. I finally relinquished my death grip and discovered that with proper exercise, grazing was possible. 

Bottom line, know your horse, know the warning signs. IR/PPID is not "one size fits all" so if you proceed, do it cautiously.

Kathleen (KFG in KCMO)
Missouri - Dec 2005


Re: New Research

Donna Coughlin
 

For all who weighed in on Kathleen's "dissertation," I agree with Jainie, Lorna, Nancy, Lavinia--you ALL made my day. It's why this group is so remarkable: Science-based information/research, leavened with such caring and joy for ALL of our horses (and patience with all of our dumb questions!). 

To the Board, to the Mods, to the Support group: THANK YOU! You've made this New Year something to really celebrate!  

Huge kudos to you, too, for meeting that impressive fund-raising goal. Whew.

You guys rock!!

Donna Coughlin, Duke, Obi and Robin
CT 2009
(And when I tried yesterday to attach case histories, the message was lost in cyberspace, so sorry.....not repeating that just now.)


Re: Pasture with muzzle?

Stephanie Stout
 

Hi Kathleen, 

Thanks for replying. He's never had a muzzle before as he's always been a hard keeper even before the IR/PPID. I think he will be so excited to be out with his friends that he won't mind. His Insulin originally was 171 back in September with an ACTH of 1170. He was immediately switched to the IR diet. Retested in December and came back with Insulin @ 27 uIU/ml and ACTH @ 30 uIU/ml. Is it safe for him to go out with a muzzle? I can duct tape it if I need too. The pasture is big, and is a hay field during the summer so it's a very tasty pasture. :) 

Thanks so much! 
Stephanie & King 



Re: Need Help with IR, PPID 11 year old gelding

Lorna Cane
 



ECHistory8

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory8/files/Corrine%20and%20Jasper/

Corinne,copy/paste the link so that it remains the same as it is above here.
This is the one which works.

Maybe LeeAnne can correct  the spelling of your name in the link ,when she is working her magic.


 Lorna in Ontario,Canada

ECIR Moderator 2002


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Re: Need Help with IR, PPID 11 year old gelding

corrine haffner
 

Just tryed it doesn't work either comes up invalid,so your having trouble too, now i don't feel so bad.
corrine & jasper

in minnesota


Re: Need Help with IR, PPID 11 year old gelding

corrine haffner
 

Here it is again minus %20%20  http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory8/files/Corrine and jasper/
Here it is again.
Corrine & jasper

In minnesots

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