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Re: Balancer needed

clbroyles55
 

I can't speak for all the other balancers, but I don't monitor all the messages on the main list.  I just try to keep up with the highlights, and that could be days after they are posted.

If you need a balancer, contact someone directly on the list.  You are more likely to get help faster that way.

Carol B.
SW Ohio
August 2007


Re: California Trace Plus

bigwhitevan2002
 


I have used Cal Trace for years when I could not keep a large amount of hay to test, its better in the trace minerals then anything commercially produced, my PPID, IR horses did fine with it, and it was pretty cost effective, I did notice a difference in using the Cal Trace over a commercial supplement.

I am back to a custom mix again but wouldn't hesitate to go back to cal trace if i needed to
I live in Oregon and feed local hays.It balances them pretty well

Julie
Oregon 06



---In EquineCushings@..., <cbernstein@...> wrote :

 I suggest you contact California Trace directly to ask Sally Hugg the question. She's very responsive to questions. I've never seen ESC + Starch on California Trace Plus and would like to know the answer myself.

  



---In EquineCushings@..., <KWPNDRESSAGE@...> wrote :
Does anyone here use CA Trace Plus for their IR & PPID horse? Is CA Trace Plus safe for IR (with previous rotation)?


Re: Update on Dixie and Dexter...need help with depressed mule!

jennifer
 

It could have to do with IR, yes. That needs to be ruled out first of course! :)
I know you have a Mammoth jennet, but it's different when geldings play even if you have a playful girl. :D

Jennifer in Germany
Laramie July 2011


---In EquineCushings@..., <jacquewhite50@...> wrote :

 I was just wondering if it had anything to do with the insulin resistance.



Re: Update on Dixie and Dexter...need help with depressed mule!

 

This brings me to a question that has been haunting me for some time.  I have read that  vasoconstriction and reduced blood flow to the capillaries inside the hoof is an adaptation to the cold to protect the hooves.  1. Is this correct? and then
2. are we causing too much heat loss by keeping the blood vessels dilated by using Jiaogulan and therefore potentially causing more harm?  Especially when horses are standing in deep snow all day.

Just wondering.

Claudia
Ohio
NRC 1108
NAT 2010 (?)


Re: Reposting: Chaste Tree Berry Powder Dosing for Overly Marish Behavior

Nancy C
 

Hi Sally


99 percent sure you want to dose to effect.

From Dr Kellon in this fist message
Most owners here with proven cases have used at least 1 oz of the dried powder/day. Dose for the liquid in my trial was 10 mL/200 lbs body weight and the UK trial titrated upward from that to effect, using as much as 120 mL/day.

/128825https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EquineCushings/conversations/messages/173039

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EquineCushings/conversations/messages/119160
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EquineCushings/conversations/messages

 

More threads within the above threads.

Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
FACT: Standing on cement significantly reduces blood flow to the equine foot.
See R. M. Bowker, VMD, PhD, Nerves, Nerves, Nerves: Why Are They So Important To The Horse?  2013 NO Laminitis! Proceedings, www.ecirhorse.org
and
See RM Bowker, VMD, PhD, The Vascular Cushion Of The Frog What Does It Do?  2013 NO Laminitis! Proceedings, www.ecirhorse.org


 




Is this joint supplement safe for IR horses?

 

Does anybody know if the supplement "OCD Pellets" is safe for IR horses?  A friend of mine with an elderly horse with arthritis is raving about it.  Would like to try on my older IR horse but not sure if it's safe.


Thank you,


Jennifer Fleet & Shahtahr

Clovis, CA

Joined 2012


OCD Pellets (Optimal Cartilage Development)


Ingredients are:


Crude Protein (Min) 2% - 600mg Proline (min) 0.31% - 93mg
Glycine (Min) 1% - 300mg Glutamic Acid (min) 0.30% - 90mg
Glutamine (Min) 1% - 300mg Arginine (min) 0.21% - 63mg
Glucuronic Acid (Min) 0.5% - 150mg Threonine (min) 0.08% - 24mg
Aspartic Acid (Min) 0.5% - 150mg Crude Fat (min) 0.10% - 30mg
Lysine (Min) 0.5% - 150mg Crude Fiber (min) 24% - 7,200mg
Hyaluronic Acid (Min) 0.16% - 50mg Silicon (Si02) (min)

3% - 900mg 


Re: California Trace Plus

 

 I suggest you contact California Trace directly to ask Sally Hugg the question. She's very responsive to questions. I've never seen ESC + Starch on California Trace Plus and would like to know the answer myself.

FWIW, Uckele Equine's U-Balance Foundation is an alternative that covers not only trace minerals but also major minerals. It's palatable, at least to my non-picky mares who ate it right out of my hand. It's comparable in cost to California Trace Plus. http://equine.uckele.com/u-balance-foundation.html  If you ask an ECIR balancer to look at your hay analysis and factor in U-Balalnce Foundation, you might find that it's a good fit with minimal tweaking.

  

I trial-balanced a couple of my orchard grass hays using U-Balance Foundation fed at one ounce per day.  It did a reasonable job of balancing horses from 850 lbs to 1100 pounds. You will still want to add a few things for tightly balanced minerals. How far it is from ideal will depend on your hay. 

Cass for Satra and Cayuse
Sonoma County, Calif
Oct 12


---In EquineCushings@..., <KWPNDRESSAGE@...> wrote :
Does anyone here use CA Trace Plus for their IR & PPID horse? Is CA Trace Plus safe for IR (with previous rotation)?


Reposting: Chaste Tree Berry Powder Dosing for Overly Marish Behavior

Larks Tabatha
 

Hi... I posted this question a bit ago on ECHorsekeeping, and was asked to submit it here instead.  Hoping for a reply as I have read that CTB can be helpful for extreme Estrus behavior.

Thanks very much,
Sally in N. AZ
April 2013


Re: California Trace Plus

Lorna Cane
 



Stephanie,here is the link to your Case History folder.It's empty.Please update and add link to your signature..


https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory8/files/Stephanie%20S%20%26%20King/




Lorna in Ontario,Canada
ECIR Moderator 2002


*See What Works in Equine Nutrition*
http://www.ecirhorse.com/images/stories/Success_Story_3_-Ollies_Story__updated.pdf

https://www.facebook.com/ECIRGroup





Re: Update on Dixie and Dexter...need help with depressed mule!

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

It could have to do with the insulin resistance if the cold is causing painful reduced blood flow to his feet related to high vasoconstriction or previous vascular damage from the IR.

Have you tried Jiaogulan?

Eleanor in PA
www.drkellon.com
EC co-owner
Feb 2001



Re: Bermuda plus pellets from mnt sunrise

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

And this nutrition manager's experience with how many IR/PPID horses is ???

The problem here is not the molasses level per se but the overall sugar and starch which in the posted analysis is too high for some IR/PPID horses.  It is also only a spot analysis and other batches could be higher. No guarantees from the company that this is a ceiling.

Mineral levels will also vary from batch to batch, no guarantees.

If you think this company can guarantee safety of each batch (sugar and starch) as well as correctly balanced minerals in each batch, invite them to post here with the details.  They could pick up a lot of business!

Eleanor in PA
www.drkellon.com
EC -co-owner
Feb 2001


California Trace Plus

Stephanie Stout
 

Hi All,


I just did a search on this, and didn't get much(but it might be the operator here). Does anyone here use CA Trace Plus for their IR & PPID horse? Is CA Trace Plus safe for IR(with previous rotation)? I know that the hay needs to be balanced, but wondering if it will at least help since I don't have the finances(lots and lots of vet bills) to have someone balance it right now. King's currently getting R/S/R beet pulp, some soaked ODTB cubes, and flax/salt plus low sugar/starch grass hay. Cushings controlled with 4.5mg of Pergolide and IR was tested last within the 'normal' range from Cornell.

Thanks all!

Stephanie

Oregon

Oct 2014


Re: Update on Dixie and Dexter...need help with depressed mule!

Lorna Cane
 


> I was just wondering if it had anything to do with the insulin resistance.



IMO it has a lot to do with insulin resistance.


Jacque, here is the case history link for Dexter.

Add it to your signature along with your joining date :


https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory8/files/Dexters%20History/



Lorna in Ontario,Canada
ECIR Moderator 2002


*See What Works in Equine Nutrition*
http://www.ecirhorse.com/images/stories/Success_Story_3_-Ollies_Story__updated.pdf

https://www.facebook.com/ECIRGroup




Re: Update on Dixie and Dexter...need help with depressed mule!

Jacque White
 

Thank you Jennifer in Germany,  He does have a mammoth Jenny for a buddy and she is a pistol but they haven't been as active as usual.  Our weather is cold again...3 degrees.  I think I will halter him and play some games....just to give him something to do!  I was just wondering if it had anything to do with the insulin resistance.


Thank so much,

Jacque White in Alaska


Re: Bermuda plus pellets from mnt sunrise

lj friedman
 

I called mountain sunrise and spoke with the nutrition manager. Again he is strongly suggesting the Bermuda pellets for horses with cushings . He does agree there is molasses but it is only as a carrier for the vitamin supplements and the molasses content is one half pound per ton of pellets. LJ Friedman San Diego 2014

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Re: Cold and Insulin

Rita Creitz
 

Hi Nancy,

Yes, I have had my minerals balanced to my hay.  Kathleen did that for me.  Maybe I should just check with her to see what she recommends.  

Thanks a bunch,

Rita


---In EquineCushings@..., <threecatfarm@...> wrote :

Hi Rita

I don't think Is saw that you were balancing the minerals to your tested hay. 


Re: Bermuda plus pellets from mnt sunrise

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

They also add iron, in addition to what may already be in the hay, and iron is not included in the analysis at all.

Lavinia, Dante, George Too and peanut
Jan 05, RI
EC support Team


Re: acute laminitis and updated case

beverly meyer
 

Hi Kathy,
Yes, I am working on rewriting my case to be more coherent and up to date. Seems like it's out of date as soon as I spend hours updating it!
Beverly 6/14
Beverly Texas
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory8/files/Beverly%20Texas/


--
Beverly Meyer, MBA
Clinical and Holistic Nutritionist
www.ondietandhealth.com
Facebook: Beverly Meyer on Diet and Health
Radio: Primal Diet - Modern Health


Re: Is R/S ok if no molasses BP?/Now: NRC, 2007 Book link

Kathy Brinkerhoff
 

Hi All,

Here is the link again to the on - line NRC, 2007  I had problems with the other one.

IF you need to enlarge or decrease the print on the pages hold down the control button on your keyboard and use the scroll feature on your mouse to decrease or increase size of print.

Nutrient Requirements of Horses: Sixth Revised Edition

 

Kathy Brinkerhoff

SE/WI  10/12




 




Re: Need opinions on new x-rays & foot progress

Tiffany Woodward
 

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