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Re: previcox with prascend

lj friedman
 

Labs were  in CH,, let me have a look.  Jesse is severe IR per the IR calculator,, thanks,,

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Re: excessive peeing

Sharon Manning
 

Thank you Kerry! That was a great reminder as I should of realized the IR part at least. I know that excessive drinking and urination is something you look for in humans… duh !

I guess I got confused when I saw both PPID and IR. PPID horses have high Cortisol levels so Lorna’s response explains that. (my gelding has/had high glucose). I think my mare holds her urine till she goes into the stall because she likes the shavings and seems she pees more when in heat. My Blaze is doing better these days after starting on pergolide and much of his edema and sheath swelling is gone.

Sharon
E. TN
2005
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Re: excessive peeing

Kerry Isherwood
 

So excessive peeing/polyuria is seen commonly in IR as well as PPID bc of the abnormally high glucose in blood (hyperglycemia).
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Horses rarely have high glucose levels. Finger can be pointed at high cortisol levels,though.
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Good point. But how does high cortisol result in PU/PD in IR-only horses (non-PPID)? Transient stress?

I guess b/c i check my mare's glucose & insulin so often (and she has been repeatedly hyperglycemic) that I was inclined to believe hyperglycemia was spurring the PU/PD. I check it with glucometer at draw and then send out G&I on same sample in a serum tube that isnt always spun right away. Subsequent lab results always show a markedly lowered BG from glucometer results in tubes not spun quickly (from known RBC consumption no doubt). I'm wondering if hyperglycemia isnt more common but undocumented in chronic IRs w severe hyperinsulinemia bc of the typical way ambulatory vets draw blood samples: a single serum tube that sits in the car for hours before getting spun. Its just something Ive been pondering bc I have the overlap with handling diabetic dog & cat blood w immed access to glucometers...but of course we're also talking two distinctly different diabetes mellitus: type I and type II...

Furthermore, my mare was diagnosed PPID shortly after the hyperglycemic episodes so i've sorta invalidated my own argument ;) but perhaps its a good experiment for my 8yo IR gelding with normal eACTH and no PPID symptoms

Sincerely,
Kerry in NY
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Re: J-herb and Acetyl-L Carnitine

 

Hi Pauline,
Thanks for the link I have read it, I just wondered what sort of time frame you see a difference in.  I've been using J-Herb for a year or so and have just added the ALCar. I'm not sure if I've seen any difference so far, but no adverse effects either.  I just want to do everything to get my boy as comfortable as possible :)

Thanks for your help :D

Liz and Regal
December 2012
Tasmania
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Re: Praziquantel Question

Nancy C
 

Hi Sharon

the most updated info is in the FILES. See especially Deworming guidelines updated November 2013.

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Nancy C in NH
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FACT: Analysis by the ECIR Group of the seasonal pattern of laminitis cases and the naturally occurring levels of fructan in grasses, has shown Fructan to be highly unlikely as the cause for laminitis. See  E. M. Kellon, VMD, The Internet as an Epidemiological Tool, 2013 NO Laminitis! Proceedings, Equine Cushing's and Insulin Resistance Group Inc.

 


Re: previcox with prascend

Nancy C
 

Hi lj

It's okay to give the drugs at the same time.I do not believe movease can beused with Previcox, but check with mybesthorse.

Can't answer your dosing Previcox question except to say IMO it might be worth a try to keep NSAIDs to a minimum. Check with your vet.

I can't remember if Jesse is IR or not and the labs are not in your CH for me to check. (Can you update please?)  Wanted to pass on good experience with Uckele's Arthroxigen with my non-IR gelding.  Was giving most of the components separately and in nearly the same amounts, with out the success found in using their formula. Has stuff my IR boy cannot have however.

Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
FACT: To diagnose IR, the ECIR Group recommends a non-fasted, simple blood draw for serum insulin, glucose and leptin and the use of VA Polytechnic Proxies. See E. M. Kellon, VMD, Diagnosis of Insulin Resistance and PPID, 2013 NO Laminitis! Proceedings, www.ecirhorse.org
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Re: J-herb and Acetyl-L Carnitine

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just bumping in case someone knows the answer to this?

G'day Liz, is this what you were after ?


Lavinia did answer this in message #192975

I would expect you to notice an increased level of comfort.

 

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Re: Trim Review and Shedding Question

Suzanne Mansolilli
 

Hi Lavinia,

Monty was trimmed last week with the help of your markups and suggestions.   A few days afterwards, the barn owner emailed me that he was sore since the trim.  I uploaded the post-trim photos that the farrier sent me to his file and would so appreciate you giving them a look to see if there's anything you see that we did that we should avoid in the future, or anything that we failed to do that we can rectify?  

Since I hadn't returned home yet at the time of the trim, I can't say for certain that his soreness was caused by the trim.  I would have thought my farrier would have mentioned it when he sent me the photos.  I do see in one of the photos that there is green grass on the other side of his paddock fence.  When the snow stops, I'll be able go out and see if he's been eating over the fence.  Let me know if you think that could be a factor.

As always, I appreciate the guidance!

SuzanneM & Monty

Western Colorado — July 2014

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Re: J-Herb

ferne fedeli
 

I give my Icelandic his Pergolide in a hole cut in a slice of carrot and then about 3 broken ODTB cubes and he gobbles it all up!  He loves the cubes too.  I give him the broken ones as a treat often.
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4/2010

On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 12:46 PM, paulah@... [EquineCushings] <EquineCushings@...> wrote:
 

I just started (Paula's) Cory on the J-herb.  After he blew it out of my hand (I didn't think to moisten it and it is still cold some mornings and I am done with cold hands...), I started putting a measured pinch of the J-herb in his mouth and then offer a balanced hay cube as a chaser. He's cooperative, so this is easy, and he will do anything for an ODTBC...


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Melanie,


I mix my J-herb with Coca Soya oil from Uckele to form small balls.  I feed the ball along with a few hay pellets, and it's eaten right out of my hand.


Carol B.

SW Ohio

August 2008



previcox with prascend

lj friedman
 

I did a search and cant find an answer. Is it ok to give both prascend and previcox at the same time each day?  I'm also thinking about how previcox stays in the horses body for 36 hours, so perhaps every other day on a regular basis and every day for the first week or so?  any thoughts?  lj friedman san diego nov 2014


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previcox and mov ease

lj friedman
 

Is it appropriate to continue mov ease if starting previcox?  lj friedman san diego nov 2014


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Re: Jesse chiro appt

Lorna Cane
 

Yesterday you said:
>ON prascend since Jan 2015 and I;ve noticed no behavioral change and feel horse has always been stoic since I know him for the past  year or so.  Happy to see me.. happy when food is offered.. but other than that, not much happiness. or joy

Today:
>I had a chiro adjust Jesse today.. This Doc is also a vet and MD and has a cushings horse of her own. She wants Jesse on previcox.. She says he has 9 out of 10 hock pain and he constantly shifts to his front end. ( bad for laminitis, etc.)  any thoughts on this? 


It would be reasonable to think  there's a connection between 9 out of 10 hock pain and Jesse's depression.

Lorna in Ontario,Canada
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Re: J-herb and Acetyl-L Carnitine

 

just bumping in case someone knows the answer to this?


Jesse chiro appt

lj friedman
 

I had a chiro adjust Jesse today.. This Doc is also a vet and MD and has a cushings horse of her own. She wants Jesse on previcox.. She says he has 9 out of 10 hock pain and he constantly shifts to his front end. ( bad for laminitis, etc.)  any thoughts on this?   she also mentioned cushingzyme and said it is wonderful  ( i never see it mentioned) and gave Jesse a pocket pony pumpkin flavored  treat, ok for IR, she says,

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Re: J-Herb

 

Using a small amount of J-herb is beneficial to horses immune systems, I would never throw it out, it is great stuff :)  My horse is super fussy but mixed with a small handful of maxi-soy and he gobbles it up and licks my hand clean :)

All horses can benefit from increased hoof perfusion and boosted immunity :)

Liz and Regal
December 2012
Tasmania
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Re: excessive peeing

Lorna Cane
 


>So excessive peeing/polyuria is seen commonly in IR as well as PPID bc of the abnormally high glucose in blood (hyperglycemia). 

Horses rarely have high glucose levels. Finger can be pointed at high cortisol levels,though.

Here's a message from Valeree,addressing this:


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Re: excessive peeing

Kerry Isherwood
 

Hi there,

I happen to be online so ill take a stab

Excessive peeing is called polyuria in vetspeak. It usually goes hand-in-hand w excessive drinking, aka polydipsia (sometimes you'll see shorthand as PU/PD)

Abnormally high sugar levels in the circulating bloodstream can cause PU/PD: the big sugar molecules in the blood are filtered out by the kidneys and pull water with them, resulting in increased urine production. Bc of the increased water loss in the bloodstream, the horse is stimulated to drink more (the polydipsia). That's why you see PU/PD together: its a simple osmotic mechanism that can be caused by any abnormally high substances in the bloodstream (high proteins, etc)

So excessive peeing/polyuria is seen commonly in IR as well as PPID bc of the abnormally high glucose in blood (hyperglycemia). There maybe be other reasons for the PU/PD in Cushings bc of altered hormones, etc, but ill have to let another chime in to clarify

FWIW, one of the first signs that my IR/PPID mare's insulin has spiked (insulin & glucose rise together) is a big jump in her drinking (she lives out so urination is hard to gauge). Ive adapted to using a muck tub filled daily so i can monitor her water consumption very closely.

Hope this helps,
Kerry in NY


Re: 11 year old PPID gelding On an OFF eating

corrine haffner
 

Hi Sharon 

The glucometer i barrow has a test strip you put in the meter end of strip lances,doesn't work real good on a horse so i just use a sharp needle. Get blood then put test strip in the drop of blood that's on his neck. Have a spot shaved down to skin where i'v used the meter makes it easier without hair.:)   Make sure needle is sterile,or whatever you use is sterile.


Corrine and jasper
MN 4/2014


excessive peeing

Sharon Manning
 

I did a search about excessive peeing and found one that said it was a Cushing symptom and another that said it was a IR symptom. Can someone clarify this for me, Please?

thanks

Sharon

East TN

2005

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Re: 11 year old PPID gelding On an OFF eating

Sharon Manning
 

How do you use a glucometer with a horse? I got a used one at the second hand store.
thanks
Sharon 
East TN
2005

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