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Re: poor fat digestion and shiny manure

Kerry Isherwood
 

....."It just has a slightly blue tint you can see in the sun. It is otherwise dry and normal looking.".....


>>>>Maybe a misting of fly spray wafted over the pile?  Something from a neighbor's yard on a windy day?  Pollen? 

Not trying to be curt, but IMO you need to look at the big picture:  if your mare is otherwise doing relatively well and "blue poop" is really the most pressing thing you are concerned about at present, then you are darn lucky.  Every single horse on this forum is ill in one stage or another.  Some are downright critical and may not survive until tomorrow.  I'm not at all belittling your mare's manure situation, so do make daily note of the blue poop (hopefully you keep a journal of sorts for observations?) and see if you can find correlations between the poop color and any other change (such as supps, meds, new bag of foodstuffs, dewormings, vaccinations, changes in weather, new hay, etc).  Perhaps you can ask your vet if its worth sending a manure sample for testing, if you are still concerned?  Your local vet may be more helpful deciding what lab would be most useful for your area of the country.

Lastly, and most importantly, please do take the time to hug & appreciate your mare every single day and revel in the time you have left while she's relatively healthy.

Best of luck,
Kerry in NY
Sept 2014


Re: poor fat digestion and shiny manure

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 




---In EquineCushings@..., <bmeyer@...> wrote :

She was
only on 1/2 dose for her size, but it did have B5 which can help fat
digestion.
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Just for the record, B5 has nothing to do with fat digestion.

Eleanor in PA
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EC Co-owner
Feb 2001


Re: Now: colick Trouble Jasper's Journal of Pulse & lameness last 10 days.

corrine haffner
 

Hi 

Thank you Dr kellon i'll get some acepromazine from the vet today,got to go by there any way have a dentist appt.  Will also do 2 scoops of the PQ twice a day for a bit maybe it will help some with his pain. Hopefully he lays down so i can get his feet done,hasn't layed down now for over 15 hours.

I will do the DMSO on his cornary bands and sole's when i can do his feet.

He's still on high alert and screaming for his buddy, hate to leave and be gone for 2 to 3 hours really have no choice.Will let you know how the acepromazine works for him,will be later today.
Corrine & Jasper
MN 4/2014
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Re: poor fat digestion and shiny manure

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 




---In EquineCushings@..., <bmeyer@...> wrote :

Dr. Kellon, if it is not fat malabsorption what would it be?

A light layer of mucus. Possibly insufficient salt or water intake, parasites.
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The donkey had this when he had hypretriglycerides from underfeeding. It cleared up
as he got more food.

Hypertriglyceridemia from underfeeding is high fat levels in the blood caused by mobilization of fat from body stores.  It has nothing to do with the absorption of fat from the intestines and the fat does not get excreted into the intestines so there's no way there is any connection there.
= = = = = =

Also, Dr. Kellon, it's not 1 ounce of flax to 25 pounds manure, as she
gets 8 pounds of food/day. Not sure how much manure that makes!

The average adult size horse produces 50 pounds of manure a day (and eats about 20 - 22 pounds of food, dry matter) so you horse would produce at least 20 pounds of manure.

Eleanor in PA
www.drkellon.com
EC Co-owner
Feb 2001


Re: Stormy

Carla
 

"This is just to let you all know that we said our final good byes to Stormy yesterday. (Tuesday)"

I am so very sorry for your loss of your, beloved, Stormy.

Carla and Cupcake
WI

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Re: Now: colick Trouble Jasper's Journal of Pulse & lameness last 10 days.

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 




His appetite is going to be poor when he's stressed over his loss (which will likely last at least 3 days).  Good idea to talk to your vet about keeping him on a low dose of Acepromazine.  As little as 5 mg (0.5 mL) once or twice a day in the muscle can be effective at taking the edge off without making him too sedated or unsteady.

You can wait until Jasper is down to do his dressings.

Eleanor in PA
www.drkellon.com
EC Co-owner
Feb 2001




Re: Now: colick Trouble Jasper's Journal of Pulse & lameness last 10 days.

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 


Re: Stormy

Deb Funderburk <hawkhilldeb@...>
 

Teri, I'm so sorry about your loss of Stormy, but what a lucky girl she was to be able to share her entire life with you. I know you made her feel safe and loved till the end.

Deb and Cory in NC
July 2012
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Re: Jasper's Journal of Pulse & lameness last 10 days.

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 




Thank Dr kellon i'll give him another scoop of the PQ today. How much improvement should i see??  = = = = = = =
Even full dose NSAIDs don't have much effect on abscess pain so don't expect anything miraculous.
You could go up to 2 scoops twice a day for a few days to see if it's going to help.  Another thing to try is applying DMSO to the coronary band and soles before you poultice.  A layer of plastic wrap over the poultice under wraps can also hasten drainage.

Eleanor in PA
www.drkellon.com
EC Co-owner
Feb 2001


Re: Now: colick Trouble Jasper's Journal of Pulse & lameness last 10 days.

corrine haffner
 

Hi 

My poor jasper is so sore and stiff this morning he can hardly move,drinking good but isn't eating much hay won't touch his cubes. From the looks of his stall he paced around till he got to sore to do so,he's calls out to every little noise he hears.

I had tryed rescue remedy didn't do much that was at 1.30 am this morning.His pulse is 75 beats per minute he's a 5 and he's shaking,he's one sorry sight today. His wraps are trashed and he can't pickup either foot,i'am worried about infection he still had draining abcesses,now they aren't covered.

Maybe i should tranq him so i can do his feet??  Had 4 hours of sleep couldn't stay awake any more i was so tired.The tears come all to easy, thought i couldn't cry any more,well not so.Now i have to work on getting jasper better, he's worse now then before he lost his buddy.

Thank you for all the support,when i lost my sweet mare of 26 1/2 years.
Corrine & Jasper
MN 4/2014
ECHistory8


Re: Jasper's Journal of Pulse & lameness last 10 days.

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 


Fw: DST vs TRH to confirm Cushing diagnosis

Heidi Reid
 



On Tuesday, June 9, 2015 12:56 PM, Heidi Reid wrote:


Hi DR Kellon,

Case History:  20 yr old QTR horse Appendix.  Treated for EPM in April of 2013 and Feb of 2015.  He also has Shivers.   I had Checkers' insulin tested last June 2014 as a base line since my other horse was IR  diagnosed June 2014 

Checkers' insulin test , Jun 2014, came  back in the low normal range. 

Last month my bare foot trimmer noticed some bruising along Checkers' white line on both front feet.   She thought it might be metabolic related. He has never  had laminitis in the 2 yrs we owned him.

 He has shown no other metabolic symptoms other than shedding out slowly this year.  I had my vet  do Endogenous ACTH test May of 2015.
His ACTH baseline came back 28.9. My vet recommended doing TRH test since he was in the upper range.

Heidi Reid,
Blacklick, OH June 2014



Newly diagnosed pony, feeling overwhelmed....

sarahlbennett@...
 


Hiya,  

I have questions regarding the prognosis for my little made.

Following a first ever bout of laminitis my 27 year retired Shetland broodmare has this week been diagnosed with EMS/Cushings. 

She is currently on day four of at least a months box rest and hasn't eaten more than a small bucket of Speedibeet/chaff over the entire period.

She has been on danilon since Monday and is a lot freer moving, though still pottery on turning in her box and this morning started on prascend x 1/4 tablet (to start); 7 x Metformin and 1ml Sedalin. I syringed the meds into her as I knew she wouldn't eat a feed. 

She's perky in that she's on high alert listening and is unusually jumpy. There are no other horses in and am not in a position to change this as my other two don't stable well.

Vet back out tomorrow.

My questions/worries are:

1. Once the meds work, will she feel better in herself? She's not been right for a few weeks now, no sparkle, etc but it was all a bit vague until the lameness and we thought she was feeling her age.

2. Or is it the case now she'll always feel "not right" or suffer frequent bouts of illness?

3. Could it be that we get the meds right and she has a lot of years left, or is it just prolonging the inevitable at her age? 

4. I'm concerned about her care going forward as we have lots and lots of grass and a starvation paddock is not going to easy.

I feel so bad for thinking it, but I can't help but wonder what is the right thing to do for a 27 year old pony with a chronic illness. Especially as she's not in pain as such.

Your opinions would be greatly appreciated....

Kind regards,

Sarah :0)









Homemade Capsaicin

Lorna Cane
 

I'm trying to find a way to make daily use of Capsaicin doable financially.
Has anyone tried making their own?

http://www.mommypotamus.com/diy-warming-rub-for-sore-muscles/

 



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Re: Now: colick Trouble Jasper's Journal of Pulse & lameness last 10 days.

Lesley Fraser
 

Oh Corrine, I’m so sorry to hear Chardonnay has gone, and so suddenly too - a heartbreaking time for you and Jasper.
Thinking of you both.
Lesley & Omar
2012, UK


Re: Stormy

Nancy C
 

Dear Teri

I am so sorry to hear of Stormy's passing but glad it was peaceful.  You and Storm fought the good fight and she was able to have a good life as a result.

Please consider staying with us and help those who come after.  There is so much you can share from  your journey with this feisty little girl that will benefit others.

Thinking of you. Fly free Stormy.

Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003


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>This is just to let you all know that we said our final good byes to Stormy yesterday. (Tuesday)  She lost a  lot of weight over the winter and this spring/summer wasn't going any better.  My husband and I knew her time was getting near and we would probably have to make 'the decision' soon.  We had decided that we wouldn't let her go past the end of the month.  Yesterday afternoon, I was telling some friends that I just wished she would let us know when she was ready to go, so we wouldn't have to second guess ourselves.   I got my wish.  I came home from work and she was down.  My husband was just getting ready to call me.  It was very obvious that she was 'done'.   I called my vet.  Thankfully he was able to come right way and helped her pass very quietly and peacefully.   We are obviously very sad, but also very thankful that she did not seem to suffer and that she let us know without a doubt that it was time.   



Re: poor fat digestion and shiny manure

Lorna Cane
 


>I have read that this is not uncommon for horses that are on the Timothy Balance Cubes - mine is, and I have noticed that her manure has that same look to it that you are describing.

I'd be interested in where you have read this,Karen.

I have fed ODTBC to 5 of my horses,over many years, and have never seen manure like Beverly and you describe.

Thanks.

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Re: Stormy

Lorna Cane
 

Aww,Teri. I'm so ,so sorry.

How wonderful, though, that she  let you know so clearly. I know that has to help with the unspeakable sadness just a bit.

You're in my thoughts.

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>This is just to let you all know that we said our final good byes to Stormy yesterday. (Tuesday)  She lost a  lot of weight over the winter and this spring/summer wasn't going any better.  My husband and I knew her time was getting near and we would probably have to make 'the decision' soon.  We had decided that we wouldn't let her go past the end of the month.  Yesterday afternoon, I was telling some friends that I just wished she would let us know when she was ready to go, so we wouldn't have to second guess ourselves.   I got my wish.  I came home from work and she was down.  My husband was just getting ready to call me.  It was very obvious that she was 'done'.   I called my vet.  Thankfully he was able to come right way and helped her pass very quietly and peacefully.   We are obviously very sad, but also very thankful that she did not seem to suffer and that she let us know without a doubt that it was time.   



Re: Now: colick Trouble Jasper's Journal of Pulse & lameness last 10 days.

Lorna Cane
 


>What can i do to calm him down?? 

Maybe Rescue Remedy?
If he's too pumped it may not work.But it's worth a try.

It's not necessarily bad for his feet right now,since movement will help the abscesses drain.Try to think of it that way ,if you can.

Please force yourself to sleep.

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Re: poor fat digestion and shiny manure

kansteen5545@...
 

Hi Beverly -
I have read that this is not uncommon for horses that are on the Timothy Balance Cubes - mine is, and I have noticed that her manure has that same look to it that you are describing.
Karen
ME/2014


---- "Beverly Meyer bmeyer@... [EquineCushings]" <EquineCushings@...> wrote:

Thanks Lorna for sharing some links to manure and mucus.
Fortunately Ginger's manure is not at all slimy or covered with
mucous. It just has a slightly blue tint you can see in the sun. It is
otherwise dry and normal looking.
Has anyone else seen a blue or iridescent tint on manure in the sun?
Just like oil on water in a parking lot... I'm wondering if somehow it's
coming from the galvanized buckets I feed her in. Is it possible to
have a heavy metal coating coming off?
Thanks,
Beverly 6/14
Beverly Texas

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