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Re: Does fasting make the insulin/glucose test results higher or lower....

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 




Lower

Eleanor in PA
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Feb 2001



Does fasting make the insulin/glucose test results higher or lower....

Dee Kenville <ndeewoods@...>
 

I apologize cuz I know this was posted before but I can't find it...does testing for insulin fasting give higher or lower results?
Thanks!
Dee in Santa Cruz, CA



Re: Need link to IR calculator again....

Dee Kenville <ndeewoods@...>
 


Re: A new low...and its not my blood pressure

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Ha! Where there's a will, there's a way.

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Jan 05, RI
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from sue & princess.. found a cheaper poultice pad..

sue wolf <wolffarm4@...>
 

hello everyone.
With soaking princess hoofs and having to put poultice pads on the abases I found out that always  pant liners work great.. there rapid dry. great drawing for the abased.. I don't take the backing off to make then sticky but I wrap then with vet wrap.. 
the  soft side against the skin. paper side out.. my husband looked at me like I was losing it.. maybe I am?!?!
just wanted to let everyone know...
sue & princess
6/11
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Re: slow feeder for pellets?

sue wolf <wolffarm4@...>
 

I would use a nose it ball. you can buy a black water tub from tractor supply I think its a 40 gallon one  and fill the nose it ball and put it in the tub. he can play with it till the pellets are gone. I use these in my stalls and it keeps the saw dust out in they cant knock it out of the stall.. I also use it in the pasture for my 3 horses and set then apart. it works great.
sue & princess
oh 6/11



On Saturday, June 20, 2015 2:59 AM, "lj_friedman@... [EquineCushings]" wrote:


 
I read about the portagrazer and how it can be used for pellets as well as hay.. Then, I saw what looked like an electric pellet dispenser? time released?  anyone know if either of these is good for pellets. Jesse.eats 4 qts of mtn sunrise timothy pellets 3 x a day, dumped into a feeder bin on the ground.. and he eats them quickly.. might a slow feed option be a good idea for a horse that eats pellets?  anyone using portagrazer? 

lj friedman san diego nov 2014



Re: Need link to IR calculator again....

Nancy C
 

Hi Dee

A lot of us have found out the hard way the "looking normal" can be a false indicator.

thank you for the math Lars.


Nancy C in NH
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---In EquineCushings@..., <spottythehorse@...> wrote :



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If your insulin numbers are in µIU/ml (check your lab report again and/or call the lab and ask) you will get the following results:

BREN:

A G:I ratio less than 4.5 indicates severe IR so does a RISQI value less than 0.22. Bren is severe IR.

SHASTA:

A G:I ratio between 4.5 and 10 indicates compensated IR while a RISQI value greater than 0.32 is normal. Shasta is borderline IR.




Re: Need link to IR calculator again....

lars_a_swe
 

---In EquineCushings@..., <ndeewoods@...> wrote :

Ugh.
Well at this point I am just going to accept my vet's interpretation that they both look normal since I have no math skills to interpret them myself.  

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If your insulin numbers are in µIU/ml (check your lab report again and/or call the lab and ask) you will get the following results:

BREN:

G:I = 87/62.8 = 1.38

RISQI = 1/SQR(62.8) = 0.126

MIRG= [800 – 0.30×(62.8 -50)2]/(87 – 30) = 13.2

A G:I ratio less than 4.5 indicates severe IR so does a RISQI value less than 0.22. Bren is severe IR.

SHASTA:

G:I = 83/9.1 = 9.1

RISQI = 1/SQR(9.1) = 0.33

A G:I ratio between 4.5 and 10 indicates compensated IR while a RISQI value greater than 0.32 is normal. Shasta is borderline IR.

However, check the unit of the insulin numbers with your lab.

Lars
Sweden July 2008


Re: A new low...and its not my blood pressure

Lorna Cane
 

>>> it is really interesting to see a horse move from a vantage point alongside at close range, like you mention. 

Let's continue this thread over on EC Horsekeeping.
EquineCushings & IR - Off Topic Issues

 

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Re: A new low...and its not my blood pressure

Kerry Isherwood
 

I enjoyed the canters and gallops beside him, seeing him flow and shine with happiness from that point of view. Felt like a view from a bird flying along next to his side.

it is really interesting to see a horse move from a vantage point alongside at close range, like you mention. The back muscles, the neck carriage -- even the facial expressions showing alertness, apprehension, then relief that there were no actual bears in the woods, just two black kittens. Tofurky is also very sensitive to the lead so I could probably pony him off my bicycle and assuage some guilt abt laziness!
Kerry


Re: Need link to IR calculator again....

Dee Kenville <ndeewoods@...>
 

Ugh.
Well at this point I am just going to accept my vet's interpretation that they both look normal since I have no math skills to interpret them myself.  
 My previously laminitic cushings horse, Brennivin,  is completely sound and we are starting his rehab on hills now.  My other horse, Shasta, is ouchy no matter what I do and her ACTH was just tested at 25.9 which the vet says is fine. So I am going to put front shoes on her as a diagnostic tool.  She has never had shoes in her life and she is 17 but I have tried 3 pairs of boots and they don't fit right so I am going to try shoes and see if her ouchiness goes away.  She is already on teff hay, magnesium, E, Flax etc.....
I have been filtering her water for lead.  I suspect Lymes could be a problem but my vet won't test so I have to find a vet that will. In the meantime I am going to try shoes....
Dee in Santa Cruz, CA


Re: A new low...and its not my blood pressure

Kerry Isherwood
 

I thought ponying one horse off the other was my quickest way to exercise both...


i used to do that--put a heavy western saddle on my QH mare & ponied the gelding off her. Thats when he was still bat-$hit crazy and unrideable. We would walk for hours in the beautiful sunny fields w Tofurky tied to the horn, ping-ponging around us totally lathered in sweat. The mare was a saint. It took an entire summer but eventually he calmed down and learned to trot alongside without losing his mind. It all ended when Tofurky got enough confidence in our outings to start playing -- and kicking at us. Game over, do not pass go, go directly to jail...
This winter when it was just too bloody cold to do anything i would put both in the indoor & hop on the mare bareback to get her old bones moving (she's prone to inertia). Tofurky would of course zoom us so as long as I carried a longe whip for self defense it was plenty of exercise for all of us. One time Tofurky's kamikaze game was just too rude so i turned the tables and played "Herd Furky" and my little fat QH actually pricked her ears & got into it! Poor Furky was so offended that he actually tucked his tail like a scolded puppy and sulked in the arena corner until we let him out of his time-out.

Fun & games with the rescues :)
Kerry


Re: A new low...and its not my blood pressure

Carol
 

     Hey I used to exercise my small Arabian rescue from my mini-bike. It got him used to motor bikes and he got out of the farm and out along a few dirt roads to condition. And he loved it!  He was the only horse I ever knew who was so sensitive on the lead line to human hand that he was never a risk to pull me over sideways off the bike even if he shied at something along the way. That is always a risk with many horses. I enjoyed the canters and gallops beside him, seeing him flow and shine with happiness from that point of view. Felt like a view from a bird flying along next to his side.
     He is not the horse with Cushings that I joined with. 


 



On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 10:00 PM, kerry.isherwood@... [EquineCushings] <EquineCushings@...> wrote:
 

Having two IRs, I admit some days I dont feel like riding both, but know I must make them exercise in some fashion.  Free longeing, free jumping, etc -- there's still booting legs, setting up jumps, etc.  But today, faced with crappy weather and the second consecutive day of no exercise for my horses, I had a stroke of genius -- and learned the true depths of my laziness:  I ponied Tofurky from my car for exercise.  He was great!  Fifteen minutes of nice, brisk trot, good footing; he didn't even mind the intermittent windshield wipers.  No de-tackifying, no batheing, just drove him right back into his paddock, literally.  Not even any tack to clean.  Genius!

;)

Kerry in NY
Sept 2014



Re: A new low...and its not my blood pressure

paulah@...
 




---In EquineCushings@..., <kerry.isherwood@...> wrote :

 had a stroke of genius -- and learned the true depths of my laziness:  I ponied Tofurky from my car for exercise.  He was great!  Fifteen minutes of nice, brisk trot, good footing; he didn't even mind the intermittent windshield wipers.  No de-tackifying, no batheing, just drove him right back into his paddock, literally.  Not even any tack to clean.  Genius!

;)

Kerry in NY
Sept 2014

Hi Kerry,
Not laziness, it's being effective with your resources!  I love that he didn't mind the windshield wipers...  still laughing at that. What a good boy!
I thought ponying one horse off the other was my quickest way to exercise both...

Paula with Cory (IR) and Onyx (IR) in Bucks County, PA, USA

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A new low...and its not my blood pressure

Kerry Isherwood
 

Having two IRs, I admit some days I dont feel like riding both, but know I must make them exercise in some fashion.  Free longeing, free jumping, etc -- there's still booting legs, setting up jumps, etc.  But today, faced with crappy weather and the second consecutive day of no exercise for my horses, I had a stroke of genius -- and learned the true depths of my laziness:  I ponied Tofurky from my car for exercise.  He was great!  Fifteen minutes of nice, brisk trot, good footing; he didn't even mind the intermittent windshield wipers.  No de-tackifying, no batheing, just drove him right back into his paddock, literally.  Not even any tack to clean.  Genius!

;)

Kerry in NY
Sept 2014


Re: slow feeder for pellets?

Lorna Cane
 



>You could put the Nose It in a low flat tub perhaps, in the corner of his stall?

Works well!
I have done this in several stalls.Used what was available -wooden boxes that were about 2' X 4' x 2'.
But large rubber maid tubs,etc. would work perfectly,too.Water tubs,too.

Or close the stall door.

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Re: slow feeder for pellets?

Kerry Isherwood
 

You could put the Nose It in a low flat tub perhaps, in the corner of his stall?

Kerry


Re: slow feeder for pellets?

lj friedman
 

The nose it ball,, gets pushed out of his stall.. public stable and cant be fixed for this purpose.. lj friedman san diego nov 2014.


How much walking while healing from laminitis?

beverly meyer
 

Ginger's doing better and is now happy to get out of her 20 x 30 enclosure.  She will walk to the far side of the pasture/yard, but then is slower on the way back. By the time we get to the pen, she is stumbling a little.

Wouldn't this be disturbing the new lamina?  

Should I keep her on the lead and not go out so far, until she doesn't stumble anymore?

Is there any other good way to judge how much walking is safe?

Thank you.

Beverly 6/14

Beverly Texas

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Re: Help interpreting iron panel

Kerry Isherwood
 

Thanks Dr Kellon, very interesting.

....."[tight balancing] seems to allow the body to gradually drop iron stores as it uses them to fulfill iron requirements. It takes at least a year to see any significant changes.".....

that being said, is it worth rechecking ferritin annually (or q18months) on a known IR w history of high levels? Is it worth checking serum iron periodically to assess dietary absorption status? And furthermore, is a serum iron level a useful tool in ascertaining control of IR status?
Maybe im overthinking this...

....."Although it's not something you are likely to see happening in your GP's office, phlebotomy/"blood letting" has been studied and used to reduce iron burden and (snip)".....

when I worked critical care i saw two cases; one an idiopathic polycythemic dog that happily walked around w a daily Hct of 80%. It was always a tense moment when Medicine disposed of the literal liters of beautiful blood and an ECC person walked by and cried "OMG cant we somehow keep it for parvo puppies or something??" Other case wasnt true phlebotomy but involved Surgery showing off their shiny black leeches (meant for a nasty wound) to any new employee or unsuspecting intern. Not cool, even as earrings.
Kerry in NY
Sept 2014

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