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Colic trouble while on doxy

corrine haffner
 

Hi 


Having trouble again jasper was put on doxy again monday after blood draw,he kept running high fevers so vet tested him for tick borne deases. He tested positive for Ehrilichiosis,plus he was running a fever that morning of 103.5 along with stocked up front legs.


Started him back on doxy,without doing the supplement Dr kellon had me do,i used it all up on last round of doing doxy for 4 months. I thought a few days on doxy with no supplement would be ok to do.


So jaspers back to colic issues again, colicked 2 times now today both colic's happened after doxy was given.

Ordered the supplement but wont have it till friday or saturday,do i stop doxy till then then?? He's clearly not comfortable even though he's not colicking now,still picking through his hay. Takes a few bits then paws at the ground then looks at his stomach the goes back to eating,this process is repeated every few minutes.


I'am think i need to stop doxy but then i'am not sure that's the right thing to do so need input here.


Thanks 

Corrine & Jasper

MN 4/2014

http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory8/files/Corrine%20and%20Jasper


Pracend vs comp pergolide

lj friedman
 

With Jesse soon to be at 2.5mg of prascend per day  at a cost of $5.40 per day, I'm thinking of the option of switching to comp pergolide to save money. What is the cost of .2.5 mg per day of compounded?  I am one that always uses brand vs generic with my personal meds. but my ins carrier picks up the whole tab. Should I consider a switch to compounded pergolide ?  lj friedman san diego nov 2014




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Titrating prascend

lj friedman
 

I increased Jess's prascend from 1.5 mg. ( he was at that rate for many months) to 2.0 mg on 7/25 ( based on sub optimal control of ACTH, , with the goal of stopping at 2.5 mg and re-testing cornell labs in September.. With starting 2.0mg on 7/25. I was thinking for remaining at 2.0 for 7 days, before going up to 2.5mg.  make sense?  lj friedman san diego nov 2014


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Re: Dutch not eating anything appropriate for him

Kathy Brinkerhoff
 

I think in this case the one Dutch will eat is the "better' formulation.:-)   Seriously, Stabul 1 And LMF Stage 1 are pretty similar products.  I  would see if your local Tractor Supply will bring Stabul 1 into the store for you without you have to commit to a set number of bags....i.e. 10. I didn't have good luck getting my local feed store to continue to carry it after their initial order.  Obviously pricing is a factor, too. 

You can do your own comparison of the two products. The Guaranteed Analysis for these products is listed on their sites. 

I

Kathy Brinkerhoff

SE/WI  10/12




Re: Dutch not eating anything appropriate for him

bigelow.rebecca
 

I just had a phone call from Randy Anderson who owns NuZu in response to my email inquiry. He's sending me  some samples of Stabul 1 and assures me we can work with my local Tractor Supply Company so I can get Stabul 1 at a reasonable price. Is this the better alternative of the two, Stabul 1 over LMF? I'm going to take LMF up on their kind offer anyway but if he'll eat both is the Stabul the better formulation? Sorry to ask so many questions but there's a lot of feeds out there and a lot of misinformation. I trust you guys to steer me in the right direction. Thanks for all your time and effort.
Rebecca and Dutch
2009
Elk Grove, Ca


Re: Dutch not eating anything appropriate for him

Kathy Brinkerhoff
 

Hi Rebecca,

The Complete is formulated as a total diet or replacement of hay..  It has a little less of a copper, zinc and most importantly selenium contribution per pound of product.   Stage 1 is formulated to be fed at a rate of 5 to 10 pounds per day with a low ESC + Starch hay (less than 10%).   As you know, feeding a product like Stage 1 at recommended feeding wouldn't replace analyzing/balancing and supplementing your hay accordingly.  Since you are only going to feed a pound or less I think that either one would work. 

That is some great customer service on LMF's part. :-)

Kathy Brinkerhoff

SE/WI  10/12
 





Re: Dutch not eating anything appropriate for him

bigelow.rebecca
 

Kathy,
I emailed LMF asking for a small sample of the LMF Complete. They are so nice! A rep called and asked a lot of questions about Dutch and our problems. She suggested LMF Low NSC Stage 1. They arranged for me to get a  complimentary bag at my local feed store for either Low NSC Stage 1 or Low NSC Complete. Which one should I try?. I agree with you completely about trying a little Cocosoya on the supplements by themselves or the carrier then try adding the other stuff one at a time.  It's just California Trace, Quiessence, Vit E, Flax and salt. I have all the single ingredients to completely balance to the hay but I quit trying because he wouldn't eat them. I hope that he likes the Cocosoya and eventually I could go back to a completely balanciing situation. Baby steps. He seems to be adjusting well to his new situation.

Rebecca and Dutch
2009
Elk Grove, CA


Re: New farrier have appt.

Patty Sobel <psobel_gen@...>
 

Hi Corrine,

I use NuZu Stabul 1 as a mineral carrier for my mare, who LOVES the Fenugreek flavor.  Since I didn't want to order 10 bags, I just ordered 1 directly from Anderson Feeds and had it shipped to my house.  Yes, the shipping cost was high (about $35 to Maryland).  However, I only feed 1/2 pound per day, so one bag lasts me over 3 months.  Depending upon how much you feed, that might be an option.  If a feed store near you carries soyhull pellets, it would definitely be more cost effective.

I've since learned that the TSC's in Maryland will be regularly stocking Stabul 1, as well as the safe NuZu treats, within a few weeks.  Just wanted to give a heads up to anyone in MD, northern VA, and southeastern PA.  Thanks, Randy!!!!!   It is wonderful to have a safe grain that my horse thoroughly enjoys.

Patty and Libby
May 2009
Laurel, MD


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Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 5:17 PM
Subject: [EquineCushings] Re: New farrier have appt.

 
Hi Lavinia 

No haven't tried soyhull pellets will have to see if feed store carries them. I emailed Nu Zu for samples of the two flavored feeds,don't want to get 10 bags to find out he wont eat it.

I'll try the cocosoya to flavor feed see if that works,see from other post can get a sample so will do that,before i buy a jug of it.I tried offering him some senior feed i know he likes nope wouldn't touch it,even tried giving him a small handful of oats nope wouldn't touch that either. 

He is only eating 9 to 10 pounds of his current hay ration that's my biggest concern,hay is the biggest part of his diet,being he doesn't eat cubes or pellets.
 Then getting supplement in him is another story in its self,been syringing them in. Also syringing in 2 oz of salt which he really fights me on for some reason,tried mixing it with other supplements only to have him spit it all back out. 

Not liking doxy this time around, so all things being syringed in he's decided i'am for sure trying to poison him.So he suspicious of everything i offer him.

He does seem to feel better no more fever stocked up front legs are still an issue.I just hope this farrier is good or i'am going to lose my mind here,i'am on the brink now. He sounds good but so have the others so i'am not totally confident about this farrier deal.Ok enough rambling about our problems...

Thanks,
Corrine & Jasper



Re: New farrier have appt.

corrine haffner
 

Hi Lavinia 

No haven't tried soyhull pellets will have to see if feed store carries them. I emailed Nu Zu for samples of the two flavored feeds,don't want to get 10 bags to find out he wont eat it.

I'll try the cocosoya to flavor feed see if that works,see from other post can get a sample so will do that,before i buy a jug of it.I tried offering him some senior feed i know he likes nope wouldn't touch it,even tried giving him a small handful of oats nope wouldn't touch that either. 

He is only eating 9 to 10 pounds of his current hay ration that's my biggest concern,hay is the biggest part of his diet,being he doesn't eat cubes or pellets.
 Then getting supplement in him is another story in its self,been syringing them in. Also syringing in 2 oz of salt which he really fights me on for some reason,tried mixing it with other supplements only to have him spit it all back out. 

Not liking doxy this time around, so all things being syringed in he's decided i'am for sure trying to poison him.So he suspicious of everything i offer him.

He does seem to feel better no more fever stocked up front legs are still an issue.I just hope this farrier is good or i'am going to lose my mind here,i'am on the brink now. He sounds good but so have the others so i'am not totally confident about this farrier deal.Ok enough rambling about our problems...

Thanks,
Corrine & Jasper


Re: Dutch not eating anything appropriate for him

Kerry Isherwood
 

....."I guess I am putting a lot of confidence in Coca Soya"......


omg, both of my IRs were crazy for Cocosoya. Its like horse crack. Even my dog got excited just by the sight of the white jug.
Both of my IRs went through rough patches whereby i deleted all extraneous fats from their diets, so im really happy to see the recent post abt 4oz of the horse crack being field tested as safe. Very nice to add that to the arsenal when the "oh hell no am i eating that" mood strikes

Kerry in NY
Sept 14


Re: Dutch not eating anything appropriate for him

Kathy Brinkerhoff
 

Okay, thanks

So to  summarize you are currently trying to  feed Dutch 1 1/2 scoops of CA Trace, Quiescence, Vitamin E and 1/4 cup of flax, correct?    If I am remembering correctly the CA Trace and Quiessence are in pelleted form, Vitamin E in capsule and flax is flax.  Why not try getting a sample of the Coca Soya from Uckele and see if he will eat it.  My horses were crazy about for what that is worth :-)  If he were my horse, I would start with a small amount of an appropriate carrier (Soy Bean Hulls or LMF Low Starch) and lace it with some Coca Soya and  see if he'll eat it.  If he eats it then slowly add in the CA Trace and then the Quiescence and so on with small amounts of flax to the mix lastly... or whatever order you choose.  I am, also,  thinking if he likes the Coca Soya you may not need a carrier if the supplements are in pelleted form.....whoever feeds could mix the Coca Soya with the supps and the flax  I guess I am putting a lot of confidence in Coca Soya as possibly solving your problem. :-)  I think it is worth a try.

When you get the new hay analysis contact me and I will be happy to help you if you'd like to balance Dutch's diet.  

Kathy Brinkerhoff

SE/WI  10/12





Re: Dutch not eating anything appropriate for him

bigelow.rebecca
 

     Thanks for this information. I can get the LMF products easily. I think I'll try that with a sample of Cocosoya as as addition if he likes it. I'm thinking if I can get the minerals to stick to something he likes both of our lives will be greatly simplified. I'd be willing to give the soy hulls a try if I could find them but no luck so far. 
Rebecca and Dutch
March 09
Elk Grove,CA
    
   


Re: Dutch not eating anything appropriate for him

bigelow.rebecca
 

Hi Kathy, I'm waiting for the analysis results for the hay I'm currently feeding. The BO has new hay that is outside because it wouldn't fit in her barn. She's trying to use it up before it rains here (If it ever does again in California!).  She usually lets me know when she's going to start feeding new hay so I can test it first but she did't tell me in time.
Rebecca and Dutch


Re: Dutch not eating anything appropriate for him

Kathy Brinkerhoff
 

Rebecca,

Are you currently feeding the hay you are planning on testing?   or, the Rye Hay from the CH?

Sorry, I am a bit confused on which hay you are soaking and feeding.

Kathy Brinkerhoff

SE/WI  10/12




Re: Dutch not eating anything appropriate for him

Kathy Brinkerhoff
 

Hi Rebecca,

Here is the post about CocoSoya from Dr. Kellon from the current 0715 NRC + Course.

Post # 82

I did a field trial with ten IR horses fed 4 oz/day of CocoSoya for 2 months.  There was no significant change over that time period so up to 4 oz/day is safe.

Eleanor

In my post I mistakenly referred to the feed as LMG but as you can see by the posted link it is LMF.

Kathy Brinkerhoff

SE/WI  10/12







Re: Dutch not eating anything appropriate for him

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Re: New farrier have appt.

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Can you get soy hull pellets? Or Stabul 1? Sorry, can't remember right now if you've tried those with Jasper before or not and I'm on my way out the door.

He doesn't feel well, so he's not eating much, which makes his stomach feel worse, so he doesn't want to eat... vicious circle. Could try some of the Cocosoya as a flavoring.

Lavinia, Dante, George Too and Peanut
Jan 05, RI
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Re: ACTH Testing Monday Have Questions

Sara Gooch
 

Corrine,

Thank you for taking the time to post that message number regarding the pre-doxy supplement.  Best wishes for you and Jasper.


Sara, 2011, NE California


Re: Dutch not eating anything appropriate for him

bigelow.rebecca
 

He isn't eating the carrier. I've tried mixing the beet pulp with the pelleted Equine Lite, each one alone, Timothy Balance cubes mixed in and alone. I tried small amounts of Safe Choice Senior feed just to make sure he wasn't off his feed when this first happened and he scarfed it down. He is still eating hay though, so I'm not worried about that. He hasn't had any of the minerals for over a month now. Just hay. There's got to be something safe he'll eat, I keep telling myself! Thanks


Re: Dutch not eating anything appropriate for him

Kathy Brinkerhoff
 

Hi Rebecca,

One of the Members mentioned LMG Low NSC Complete as a possible carrier.  In post # 194181 Jaini points out this is a "safe" feed.  Low NSC Complete - LMF Feeds

 


The Sugar is 6% and Starch 2%.   Can you get this in your area?  Poster thought you might be able to.  You might consider trying to get a sample from the company for a taste test.  In my experience, they have a very helpful team and are happy to answer questions.

Dr. Kellon did a field trial for two months of Uckele's  Cocasoya and found that feeding up to 4 oz. per day was safe for IR and PPID horses.


Kathy Brinkerhoff 

SE/WI  10/12
 



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