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Re: LeeAnne

ThePitchforkPrincess@...
 

HI Donna, 
I just emailed you so you know how to reach me.  No worries.  You are posting right where you need to post about your confusion over Ulysses' IR and PPID diagnosis/status.  


Don't forget to add your link to your case history:

- ​LeeAnne, Newmarket, Ontario

ECIR Archivist 03/2004

 

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Re: Frequency of body clipping?

ThePitchforkPrincess@...
 

Kerry,
I think that it might have benefited my mare to have been body clipped all year long.  It may have eliminated the "scurf" and rain rot she'd get during winter blanketing.  Her coat wasn't thick just had a lot of guard hairs.  Not sure as the scurf was usually in areas that were rubbed and the hair was short anyway, but wanted to toss that out for discussion.  
  
- ​LeeAnne, Newmarket, Ontario

ECIR Archivist 03/2004

 

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Lucerne

sandie g-harries
 

Hi guys. I just can't find the info related to Lucerne and its risks for IR horses. Do you know where it is?

Sandie g harries
Victoria, Australia
June 2015


LeeAnne

Donna Powell
 

LeeAnne,
In an email to me, which I cannot find, you asked me to post on the Grads Board.  I think I need a bit of help as I am not sure what exactly I am to post.  I tried to find how to email you and I just don't know how.
Donna, Beaufort, SC 5/11 NRCPlus0213 NAT0413





Re: Frequency of body clipping?

lj friedman
 

thanks for the reply.. Where I board, the bo is big on blanketing.. so Jesse gets a blanket at nite when weather gets  cooler..  His workouts are good.. I started him on pentosan and did a session with the centurion blanket that helped as well. I plan to hop on him next week. for my first time ever... got ok from vet. . lj friedman san diego nov 2014


I think I added my history

jamsler707@...
 


Re: Case History problem

Maggie
 

Hi Julia,

I just sent you an invite to join ECH8.  That should help!  

Maggie, Chancey and Spiral in VA
March 2011
EC moderator/Primary Response




Re: Proper Equi-Analytical test for mineral balancing in PPID horse

Maggie
 

Hi Susan,

Welcome to the group!  You will get the very best help if you take the time to fill out a CH as it gives us the details we need give you the best advice and answer any questions that you may have.  You will have to join one of our sister groups where we store the CH's, but it shouldn't take long to get approved and then just follow the instructions on the main page.  Here's a link to that group, called ECH8:  https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory8/info   You can also upload your lab work and hay analysis (when you get it) into your CH folder.  You may have read that we follow a philosophy called DDT/E, short for Diagnosis, Diet, Trim and Exercise.  I will go into a little more detail of each part and answer your questions.

Diagnosis:  You've already had lab work done and that's great!  We are in the seasonal rise time of year when all horses have a natural rise in their ACTH, but PPID horses can have an exaggerated and/or prolonged rise in their ACTH, so special interpretation of your ACTH is needed.  Also, an insulin result that falls into the lab's "normal range" does not necessarily mean non-IR.  Did you enter your insulin and glucose in the IR calculator to see what category your horse falls into?   Here's a link to that:  http://ecirhorse.org/index.php/insulin-resistance/ir-calculator-leptin   That link actually takes you to our website where you will find a wealth of information about PPID and IR.

Diet;  It's great that you are ready to get your hay tested and mineral balanced.  This diet is crucial for an IR horse, but it also supports the delicate immune system of the PPID horse. Until you get your hay tested we recommend that you use the emergency diet, which involves soaking the hay for an hour in cold water or 30 minutes in hot water to remove up to about 30% of the sugar content.  Make sure you dump the soaking water where the horse(s) can't get to it.  Details about the emergency diet can be found on our website here:  http://ecirhorse.org/index.php/ddt-overview/ddt-diet   As important as what you DO feed on the IR diet is what you DON'T feed!  No grain, no pelleted or senior feeds, no pasture, no sugary treats (including carrots and apples), no molasses, no brown/red mineral salt blocks--white ones only.  

The test you want from Equi-Analytical is the #603, trainers package. You can ask for just sugar and starch and then once that comes back less than 10%, you can add the rest of the #603 for the same price as though you ordered it from the start, $54 total.  Once you get you hay analysis back, look at the first file in this folder for a list of the people that do mineral balancing:  https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EquineCushings/files/7%20Help%20with%20Mineral%20Balancing/ 

Trim:   A proper trim is toes backed and heels lowered so that the hoof capsule closely hugs and supports the internal structures of the foot.  We encourage you to post pictures of your horses' feet in the PHOTOS section of ECH8 (the group you join to fill out your CH), so that we can assess if you have an optimal trim in place. Here's a site that shows how too take good hoof photos:  http://www.all-natural-horse-care.com/good-hoof-photos.html 

Exercise:  The best IR buster there is, and also very important for a PPID horse!  BUT a laminitic horse should never be forced to move!   If your boy is not showing any signs of foot soreness, a regular exercise program would be of great benefit.

Lots and lots more information on our website and in our archived messages.  But don't hesitate to ask any further questions that you may have!  Thanks for signing your name, location and date of joining!  Once you get your CH done, if you could also add a link to it in your signature each time you post, it really helps us to find it faster and answer your questions faster!

Maggie, Chancey and Spiral in VA
March 2011
EC moderator/Primary Response
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/ECHistory4/files/maggie%20in%20virginia/ 




Re: Proper Equi-Analytical test for mineral balancing in PPID horse

corrine haffner
 

Hi Susan

<<<Can anyone tell me the proper test(s) to request for the hay analysis in order for me to know the nutrient and starch levels and the necessary mineral results, >>>>



It's the trainers package 603 is the test you want on your hay,to then be able to balance it mineral wise.


Corrine & Jasper

MN 4/2014


Re: Case History problem

corrine haffner
 

Hi Julia 

Email LeeAnn at ECIR Archives at gmail dot com she'll help you get your CH loaded.

Corrine & Jasper
MN 4/2014


Re: NFC in hay analysis Urgent answer needed

Maggie
 

Hi ahorn555,

Please sign your posts so we know what to call you.  We use ESC (sugar) + starch and it should be under 10% combined.  You've a lot of numbers listed and it's rather confusing looking at it in the format you have.  Do you have 2 hay analyses?  It looks like that's the case, with an ESC of 5.3 on one and 5.9 on the other and a starch of .6 on one and .7 on the other.  Is that correct?  If so, you are well under 10% sugar+starch on both of the analyses.  If you have a case history folder it would be a lot easier for us to read if you could add the document(s) to your folder.

Maggie, Chancey and Spiral in VA
March 2011
EC moderator/Primary Response
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/ECHistory4/files/maggie%20in%20virginia/ 




Re: NFC in hay analysis Urgent answer needed

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 


Forget NFC.

You want ESC (***not*** WSC) plus starch to be less than 10%.

Eleanor in PA
www.drkellon.com
EC Co-owner
Feb 2001


Case History problem

jamsler707@...
 

Every time I try to join  the 8 group I get a message that there was a problem loading.  I can't get anywhere.  What can I do?

Thanks,

Julia in PA 11/2011


NFC in hay analysis Urgent answer needed

ahorn555@...
 

I have an urgent need to know what should the NFC rating should be in hay for cushing horses.  I have two, and I have an anayliss that says the NFDC is 17.2,  other sugars and carbs are below 10.0 is this acceptable?



Digestible Energy (DE), Mcal/lb .92 1.02% g/lb. % g/lb.Crude Protein 16.0 72.7 17.9 81.1Estimated Lysine .62 2.8 .70 3.2Lignin 4.9 22.4 5.5 24.9Acid Detergent Fiber (ADF) 28.6 129.5 31.8 144.4Neutral Detergent Fiber (aNDF) 43.6 197.9 48.7 220.7WSC (Water Sol. Carbs.) 8.1 36.5 9.0 40.7ESC (Simple Sugars) 5.3 23.9 5.9 26.7Starch .6 2.8 .7 3.2Non Fiber Carb. (NFC) 17.2 78.1 19.2 87.1Crude Fat 3.3 14.9 3.7 16.6AAsh 9.5 43.1 10.6 48.0% g/lb. % g/lb.Calcium .77 3.50 .86 3.91Phosphorus .14 .63 .15 .70Magnesium .22 .99 .24 1.10Potassium


Re: Excessive drinking & Peeing - Killing Grass

Connie Proceviat
 

I too had to resort to Roundup this spring because it was too cool and wet for the vinegar solution to work but the grass was growing very well.


Connie and Falki

Manitoba

Aug 2013


https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory7/files/Connie%20P/



---In EquineCushings@..., <bon.ivey@...> wrote :

I resorted to Roundup. I roped off a section at a time, and kept Lad off treated areas for a week or 10 days.
Bonnie Ivey, Ontario 12/08
Lad, IR/PPID


Proper Equi-Analytical test for mineral balancing in PPID horse

Susan Watson
 

Hi Group,


My horse was recently diagnosed as non-IR PPID. I would like to have the mineral balancing done and, in preparation for that, will have my hay analyzed with Equi-Analytical. 


Can anyone tell me the proper test(s) to request for the hay analysis in order for me to know the nutrient and starch levels and the necessary mineral results, to ensure the hay is acceptable for him,  and  useful for  the mineral balancing?


Many thanks!

Susan

New Hampshire 2015


Re: Frequency of body clipping?

Chanda
 

Where you live, it'll probably be just fine.   Where I live clipping now is bordering on too late in the season for them to have enough hair grown back before winter to not need a blanket at least for awhile.

Chanda

MT 9/04


Re: Frequency of body clipping?

 

Hi LJ,

I happen to be online so ill offer this:

As long as you're willing and able to blanket as necessary come winter, then its perfectly fine to body clip now.  Our horses here in NY have already shed & have starting growing their winter coats, so a body clip now, once the winter coats begin, can alter the eventual heating efficiency that an unclipped horse might enjoy, but you being in south Cali prob lessens that possibility to almost nil  ;)

If you havent clipped in years past, be prepared for Jesse to possibly become a whole new...unusual...color, which may permeate thru til Spring (again, bc the tips of the developing winter coats are sheared off). But, since all of our horses on here are on balanced, healthy diets (presuming), you should still find a beautiful gleaming Jesse under the fluff--just possibly a different-colored Jesse!

Personally I keep both of my IRs body clipped year round; my PPID mare doesnt have hirsutism yet (thick wavy coat) but bc she's part draft with naturally longish, coarse hair I usually body clip the torso monthly from May thru Oct (meaning, wherever theres large muscle mass, for maximal heat dissipation). I use this example to show that frequent clipping does no damage to horse nor hide, though does incur aggravation to the poor person doing the clipping (ie, me). ;)

Best of luck, no doubt Jesse will relish his nakedness. How's he doing with his exercise regimen?

Kerry in NY
Sept 2014



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On Aug 19, 2015, at 12:26 PM, lj_friedman@... [EquineCushings] <EquineCushings@...> wrote:

 

I read archives and it seems appropriate to clip at this time. thanks.


Re: Frequency of body clipping?

lj friedman
 

I read archives and it seems appropriate to clip at this time. thanks.


Frequency of body clipping?

lj friedman
 

Jesse was full bodclipped  on  June 06, 2015.. We are having some heat here.. 98 degrees, etc and I notice some light sweating.. Could be part of seasonal rise as well.   June 06 was his first body clip.. Is it fine to do another full clip now?  lj friedman san diego nov 2014

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