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Re: any herbs to help with swelling? stocked up

 

Hi LJ,

Its so good to hear Jesse is doing well in his work program! TBs in particular seem to like having a "job". Have you gotten back in the saddle yourself again? Its really good to hear of owners enjoying their happy horses!

Re: stocking up: its a common affliction of horses that arent moving around much -- either theyre in a stall, or at this time of year, tend to mope in one spot due to the excessive heat. The swelling associated w "stocking-up" is a benign cold edema (vs "hot" swelling such as an inflammatory response). Cold-hosing stocking up wont do much bc the edema isnt "hot", so to speak

The best solution is getting the horse moving -- ideally 24/hr turnout. Second best would be handwalking for 10 min intervals frequently throughout the day. Some people choose to put standing wraps on legs to prevent the collection of edema (essentially a physical blocking of gravity effects) but IMO wraps arent doing much for stocking up except make us humans feel better

I understand the limitations of being at a boarding barn, so choose the best option(s) that your situation allows. Again, the more literal movement, the better.

One word of caution, however -- an older horse who has been idle that is being brought back into work needs to do so gradually. It can take months to rebuild enough muscle to trot & canter with a rider in an arena. If pushed too soon, ligaments, tendons, etc -- which take much longer to strengthen than muscle -- can take a beating. Therefore, its very important to monitor any changes on legs are indeed minor stocking up responses vs the warning of an angry tendon or ligament (the latter will be "warm" feeling and unilateral typically, whereas stocking up is cold and should be bilateral or quadrilateral).

It sounds like Jesse is in a good program at his barn with your trainer but its a good habit for you too, to practice running your palm down each of jesses legs each day as part of grooming, or your daily visit, etc. i use my thumb and forefinger to run down the "groove" of each lower leg, feeling for new bumps or hot spots, then check ankles for heat, and then check digital pulses and fetlocks, on each leg. Im in such a habit of doing it that when I visit a friend's horse I have to catch myself from automatically going for a leg check! :)

I do not know of any herbal treatment to remedy stocking up, and TBH, I'd rather spend the $ paying a friend or reliable eager kid at the barn to handwalk jesse one or more times per day (assuming he's stalled). Other folks might be able to help with supp suggestions if indeed all of what Ive said is already in place and youre looking for additional help.

Best of luck! If you can, please get a photo of Jesse being ridden -- im sure we'd all love to see him in all of his glory!

Kerry in NY
Sept 2014


Re: PQ should it be kept on hand if needed?

Lorna Cane
 


> I would hate to be giving my healthy horse a pain relief supplement if there is no pain.

Hi Robyn,

Is your horse in pain?

Please can we see a link to his case history?


Lorna in Ontario,Canada
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Re: PQ should it be kept on hand if needed?

robyn tucker <VenturesV@...>
 

Is PQ used only for pain relief or could it also used as an anti-inflammatory maintenance supplement? 
I ordered PQ  to take the place of Cur-Ost composed mosly of Curcumin. Just curious if anyone has any info. I would hate to be giving my healthy horse a pain relief supplement if there is no pain. He has been rehabbing from a meniscus tear suffered more than a year ago. I was going to use the PQ for maintenance as I have been using the Cur-Ost. Maybe not a good idea. Thoughts anyone?
Thank you,
Robyn San Francisco April 2014


On Sep 1, 2015, at 10:37 PM, lj_friedman@... [EquineCushings] <EquineCushings@...> wrote:


I read that PQ is a fine alternative to bute.. etc.. MY question.. should I have pq in my rtack room if its needed,. rather than have to wait to order it?  long shelf life. etc? lj friedman san diego nov 2014




any herbs to help with swelling? stocked up

lj friedman
 

Jesse is a bit stocked up in the hind legs.. not too bad but enough that it is now noticed. My trainer alerted me to this. and no vet has ever mentioned it.. I assume he's been stocked up for a while  OR. now  that he is being lightly worked, perhaps something started this?  I know the solution is work,but  it hasnt helped.. back on track boots also no help  and cool hosing also not much of a help.. any herbals that can assist? any other ideas or causes?  could prascend have a side effect of stocking up? as I dont ever remember this being a problem til the past few months.. though it could have been present and not noticed.. Jesse is doing very well in his rehab.. the trainers say his trot and canter are  very fancy.and smooth . as he is a hunter jumper warmblood with lots of training.   lj friedman san diego nov 2014


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PQ should it be kept on hand if needed?

lj friedman
 

I read that PQ is a fine alternative to bute.. etc.. MY question.. should I have pq in my rtack room if its needed,. rather than have to wait to order it?  long shelf life. etc? lj friedman san diego nov 2014


Re: Short strided sole bruising & Abscesses/PQ question??

corrine haffner
 

Hi 
Thank you susan, he's fenced in near barn now kids can no longer get any where near him. So i'll see if he now makes improvement. Does have issues with his trim and past bad farrier work, so have that in the mix also.

I'am now trimming his feet,so posting on ECHoof for help with that. He's got a lot of things going on ,so who know what is trigger what.


Re: Pet health pharmacy

lj friedman
 

I was hoping a decision would be made on what I should do with the 4mg comp pergolide from pethealth pharmacy?  any help on this?  lj friedman san diego nov 2014


Re: Short strided sole bruising & Abscesses/PQ question??

corrine haffner
 

 Hi Jessica 
<<<Strangers were trying to interact with my horses over the fence, and ZAP!  The electric fence got them. >> 

My fence on that section has several warning signs that say electric fence,did that because it's next to dirt road. So much for strangers getting a ZAP.

Did some changing up today so jasper is on south side of barn, and kids can't get any where near him to feed treats. All that's keeping jasper there is one strand of hot wire,and no grass within 5 feet of hot fence.

Thank you,
Corrine & Jasper
MN 4/2014


Re: Short strided sole bruising & Abscesses/PQ question??

thelittlebarnonwhiteoakfarm@...
 

Hi Corrine,   I've been following your story for quite some time now.  You've been working so hard to get your horse feeling better and these kids are throwing a monkey wrench into the mix.  You have a perfect right to be angrier than heck.  I'm sorry I don't have any advise for you, I'm still learning myself.   I hope Jasper feels better very soon.  You're doing a great job, hang in there. 

Susan in CT
7-2012


Re: Short strided sole bruising & Abscesses/PQ question??

corrine haffner
 

Hi  Kerry

So only a few days on emergency diet that's kinda what i thought but wasn't sure.Friday he should be less lame hopefully. 


2nd try: testing for seasonal rise

ksherbin@...
 

 

I originally tested Inky at the end of July and the ACTH came back outside the normal range.

 

I don't know if that means he is Cushing's year-round, or if his ACTH number is related to the seasonal rise.

 

When I test him in December, do I stop giving him pergolide beforehand to see what his ACTH is without the med? Or do I keep him on it?

 

And should I test him later this month to see if the pergolide dose is correct for this time of year? Or will the December test give me the needed information?

 

Karin & Inky

Forest, VA

IR/Cushing's during seasonal rise at least

July 27, 2015

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory8/files/Inky%20Case%20History/


Re: Frosty

Donna Coughlin
 

Pam, 

Frosty was obviously one of the magical ponies. He was so blessed to have you and Josie in his life, and your complete love and respect to send him galloping over the bridge at the right time. I can't even imagine how hard that was. I'm so glad Josie had that wonderful dream..

I cried when I read this; we've all been there, and many of us will be there again. I've read your posts for all these years, and always loved hearing of your adventures and your questions. Thank you for sharing, so we all learn together. And thank you for the magnificent tribute to Frosty. 

Fly free!

Donna Coughlin, Duke, Robin and Obi
CT 2009



Re: Seasonal rise

Lisa S
 

To avoid computer hijinks, I just type out my longer posts in Word or some other word processor, then copy and paste! Even if this creates formatting problems and you wind up having to retype your post, it's nice to know you have a copy of it to fall back on.

I barely have enough energy to type things once, let alone multiple times!

Lisa in TX
Zippy, Rita, and Bunny- IR
June 2010 


Re: seeking chasteberry advice

Casey James <macivor19@...>
 

 For help with shedding, when should CTB it be started and when should it be stopped?  Is the appropriate dose 2 tablespoons (about 30 grams?)

casey oregon 2015

On Sep 1, 2015, at 4:40 PM, claudiagoodman22@... [EquineCushings] <EquineCushings@...> wrote:

thanks for taking the time to share your CTB experiences. i will dose down to 1 tbsp daily (from 2) for a while and see how she does before taking her off CTB. 


Claudia & Silhouette 2014 Central Coast of California https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory8/files/Claudia%20%26%20Silhouette/



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Re: Short strided sole bruising & Abscesses/PQ question??

alikern@...
 

not the same for sure but I sometimes explain the horse has something like diabetes and they all seem to know children and adults with Type 1 or 11 need to be very careful about what they eat


Re: Seasonal rise

Lorna Cane
 



>I lose my post which I have several times labored on at length!! when I try to copy the link to Lily's CH form!!! %@X@**!

Barbara,try making a document of your signature,with the CH link added.Put it on your desk top,and go to it to copy/paste to your messages.

If you write a message as if you are composing an email,you can then copy/paste that to the list as New Topic,or Reply to someone else's message.
I know from experience how frustrating it is to lose a message you have spent time on.

Lorna in Ontario,Canada
ECIR Moderator 2002


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http://www.ecirhorse.com/images/stories/Success_Story_3_-Ollies_Story__updated.pdf






Re: Frosty

Nancy C
 

I'm so very sorry Pam. What a great tribute.

Fly free Frosty.

Nancy C in NH
ECIR Group Mod
February 2003


---In EquineCushings@..., <dixie6264@...> wrote :

Thank you to this group that gave me the knowledge to take this wonderful 32 year old pony into my life.  Here is my tribute to him.  Much loved and free from the constraints of a body that contained his lovely spirit.

Today is the day I helped my beloved gelding Frosty cross over the bridge.



Re: Seasonal rise

Barbara Vincent
 

I lose my post which I have several times labored on at length!! when I try to copy the link to Lily's CH form!!! %@X@**!
Worried about seasonal rise laminitis
Barbara and Lily
Malvern, PA


Re: Short strided sole bruising & Abscesses/PQ question??

 

Hi Corinne,

I would just leave him on it for a few days, see if you get any improvement to the hoof pain.  Definitely not until Sept 14th.  Hoping others will chime in to advise. 

Sorry, I dont know anything about PQ. 

Kerry in NY 
Sept 2014 


Re: Frosty

Lorna Cane
 

Hi Pam,

I am so sorry.

What a wonderful tribute, though, to a special soul.
It brings tears to my eyes to think of what an awesome life he had in his last years.


Lorna in Ontario,Canada
ECIR Moderator 2002


*See What Works in Equine Nutrition*
http://www.ecirhorse.com/images/stories/Success_Story_3_-Ollies_Story__updated.pdf







---In EquineCushings@..., <dixie6264@...> wrote :

Thank you to this group that gave me the knowledge to take this wonderful 32 year old pony into my life.  Here is my tribute to him.  Much loved and free from the constraints of a body that contained his lovely spirit.


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