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Hello :)

dominique hughes
 

Hi I was just wanting to update my file on my history but I cannot bring up the instructions??? It has been a while so I for gotten how to update my file. Any help appreciated,

Dominique and Festival. 


Re: Vit E supplier

lj friedman
 

I was only looking to buy soy based vit e at a dept store like walmart.. vs having to order it.  lj friedman san diego


Re: Vit E supplier

 

Are you trying to find Vitamin E? I am going to suggest again to look at Vitamins and Supplements, Natural Health Products, Organic Foods - Swanson Health Products
 They really do have great prices and good quality vitamins. This is what I get. It has soybean oil as an ingredient.
https://www.swansonvitamins.com/swanson-premium-natural-vitamin-e-1000-iu-250-sgels

If I'm off base, please forgive me.

Cynthia Boriskin from CA
Tucker 10/10



 













Re: New Case History

ThePitchforkPrincess@...
 

Hi Sharon,
Go here to ECHistory8 and join the group:

When you are accepted (formality to stop spammers) you will be sent files containing instructions and the case history template/form.  In the form are spaces to put your test results.  
If you need any help just ask.

- ​LeeAnne, Newmarket, Ontario

ECIR Archivist 03/2004

 

Are you in the Pergolide Dosage Database?

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View the Database Stats 
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Re: L-tyrosine

janieclougher@...
 

Ah!  Thank you, Dr. Kellon!


New Case History

Sharon Wolfe
 

Hello, I have recently had my 26 year old TW gelding tested, but I'm not sure what to do with the results. Would love some feedback. I don't know when I joined the group, could have been in 2005 or before.

Sharon and Solomon
Spencer, In
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory8/files/Sharon%20and%20Solomon/


Re: Vit E supplier

Kathy Brinkerhoff
 

Hi Lorna & Lj,

Here is a link to the Walmart site and Spring Valley Vitamin E,  If you scroll down you'll see a list of ingredients which does include glycerine and water, but no soy oil.  I checked out some of the other labels for the same product at larger bottle counts and IU s and some in fact include soy oil and some soy oil and water.  Not sure why the difference in labeling.  Lj would need to contact Spring Valley.  I didn't have any luck finding a company site for them.



Kathy Brinkerhoff

SE/WI  10/12







Re: Vit E supplier

Lorna Cane
 


What are the ingredients?

Lorna in Ontario,Canada
ECIR Moderator 2002


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Re: Vit E supplier

lj friedman
 

label change has water soluble on the front.. and no more mention of soy oil..  lj friedman san diego  Spring Valley vit E


Re: Vit E supplier

Lorna Cane
 



Do you mean the label said Vitamin E, water ?


Lorna in Ontario,Canada
ECIR Moderator 2002


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>>Imagine my surprise when I went to walmart today and the vit E in soy I mentioned.. was replaced with a water delivery?  version..
 


Re: Vit E supplier

lj friedman
 

Imagine my surprise when I went to walmart today and the vit E in soy I mentioned.. was replaced with a water delivery?  version..  lj friedman san diego


Re: ACTH and Lyme

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Re: Your Lyme results

--In EquineCushings@..., <te2184@...> wrote :

Lyme     Osp F  1618  (Negative on Osp A and C)


He was tested earlier in the year in May with these results:


Lyme     Osp F   3119  (Negative on Osp A and C)
= = = = = = = =

The suggested protocol is to retest 3 months after treatment and look for a 50% or greater decrease in titer by that point if treatment has been successful. Sounds like you are just a little bit short of that 3 month wait so your titer of 1618 vs the target of 1559 is pretty close.  I would probably wait another at least 4 weeks then retest the titers to make sure it's still going down and the treatment was successful. Your vet could call the lab at Cornell to get their opinion too.

Eleanor in PA
www.drkellon.com
EC Co-owner
Feb 2001




Re: up date on princess after a great trim sue & princess

 

Hi Sue,

I would strongly advise against ozone "therapy" as it is recognized as quackery in human medicine. Right now, you need to focus on a solid plan (sounds like a good one is in place) rather than spend time, money and emotional energy on unproven claims. Read this for more information: Ozone therapy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia in particular, the paragraph on SAFETY.

 

Kathleen (KFG in KCMO)

Director and Research Advisor, ECIR Inc.

Missouri - USA - Dec 2005


 


L-tyrosine

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Just to clarify why L-tyrosine is in these supplements.

L-tyrosine is an amino acid that comes from the diet or can be synthesized from dietary phenylalanine.

It is the precursor for catecholamines (epinephrine, norepinephrine), dopamine and thyroid hormones.  It is because of its role with dopamine and thyroid hormones that it is included but, like most things, it won't help unless there is a deficiency.

Eleanor in Pa
www.drkellon.com
EC Co-owner
Feb 2001



Re: Vit E supplier

janieclougher@...
 

Hi, Bonnie - to which "attached" are you referring?  When I clicked on the Swanson's link, it went through no problem.

The link at the bottom is just the link to my case history, and has no information about Vitamin E.  I will send you an invite to EC History, and you are welcome to look, but there is nothing about Vitamin E there.

Please don't forget to sign your posts with your name, date of joining, and general location.


Jaini (BVSc),Merlin,Maggie,Gypsy
BC 09
ECIR mod/support
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/ECHistory/files/Jaini%20Clougher%2C%20Smithers%20BC/

 




---In EquineCushings@..., <bonniehite@...> wrote :

I wanted to read the attached but this said I wasn't a member. No joined a long time ago.  Can someone help with how to access the site?  I have a IR pony who needs vitamin E due to recent blood work

Sent from my iPhone


Re: L-Tyrosine

janieclougher@...
 

Hi, Sarah Jo,  and welcome to the list!

 The list philosophy is Diagnosis, Diet, Trim, and Exercise.

 Diagnosis is  by blood tests: blood should be pulled from a non-fasting horse (or pony) in a quiet barn; blood spun, separated, and frozen or chilled asap, then sent to the lab at Cornell on ice. Ask for insulin, glucose, leptin and ACTH.  What were the numbers for your horse?

 More information here:

 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EquineCushings/files/2%20%20Diagnosis %20Diet%20Trim/

 and here:

 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EquineCushings/files/Blood%20Testing %20for%20IR%20%26%20Cushings%20Disease/

If your horse is truly Cushings, then the gold-standard treatment is pergolide.  I am sure it won't hurt to give him L-tyrosine, but I really can't see any reason for doing so. In other words, the suggested dose of L-tyrosine will do exactly nothing for Cushings, pre or otherwise.   The other ingredients may unbalance your balanced minerals (specifically, manganese, if you are in  a high manganese area).  The very best support for thyroid is a minerals balanced to your hay, including adequate amounts of iodine, E and selenium. Save your money for hay testing, hay balancing, and balanced minerals.

If your horse is not PPID (Cushings), but is insulin-resistant (what is also called Metabolic Syndrome), then control is by diet and exercise. Diet is supremely important, in some ways more for what is not fed: no pasture, sweet feeds, oats/grain, carrots, apples, iron-containing supplements.  Diet consists of grass hay or haylage, with ESC (soluble sugars) and starch of less than 10%, plus minerals balanced to the forage, plus vitamin E, salt, and flaxseed or flaxseed oil. 

One can use a carrier of beet pulp (rinsed, soaked, and rinsed) as a safe feed to get the supplements in.   The Temporary Emergency Diet uses hay soaked for 1 hour in cold water, or 30 minutes in hot water, with the water drained where the horses can't get at it; plus vitamin E, salt, and ground flaxseed in a safe carrier such as beet pulp (rinsed, soaked, rinsed).  More info on Temporary Emergency Diet here:

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EquineCushings/files/%203%20%20CORE %20DIET%2C%20ANALYSIS%2C%20NUTRITIONAL%20NEEDS/Basic
%20Nutritional%20Needs/

Trim:  This is a trim physiologically balanced to the internal shape of the coffin bone, with short toe and low heels.  Trim is often a neglected or mis-understood piece of the puzzle.

 Exercise: This is the best EMS buster there is, but only if the pony/horse is comfortable and non-laminitic.  A horse that has suffered laminitis needs a good 6 to 9 months of correct hoof re-growth before any kind of serious exercise can begin.

 There is also a ton of good information on the ecirhorse.org website.

Give us a little more information; ask any and all questions.

 Jaini (BVSc),Merlin,Maggie,Gypsy
BC 09
 ECIR mod/support
 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/ECHistory/files/Jaini%20Clougher%2C %20Smithers%20BC/


---In EquineCushings@..., <sarahjo612@...> wrote :

Hello, my name is Sarah Jo....... would there be any issue with me feeding him just the prescribed dosage of L-tyrosine? Do you have any experience with how effective this treatment is for early-stage cushing's? Thank-you for your time.

-Sarah Jo, Montana 



Re: ACTH and Lyme

janieclougher@...
 

Hi, Terri - I will let the Lyme experts comment on the Lyme, but I would definitely increase the pergolide.  PPID horses seem to do better if their numbers are low to mid normal, not high normal to a bit over.  His ACTH will also continue to increase, so best to increase the pergolide by at least 1 mg now (tapering up .5 mg at a time)

Getting the ACTH under better control will help his immune system. My feeling is to treat for Lyme as well, but I will defer to the experts.

Do you have a case history on this boy?




---In EquineCushings@..., <te2184@...> wrote :

Hi,


I have a PPID 22 year old with the following recent ACTH and Lyme results:


ACTH    43.7 pg/ml

Lyme     Osp F  1618  (Negative on Osp A and C)



Terri CT

2008


Re: up date on princess after a great trim sue & princess

sue wolf <wolffarm4@...>
 

Thank for your support..
too late for the gray hair... thank god for hair coloring.. there is one more thing that he suggested. ozone therapy.. I'm looking into that now.. a judith shoemaker from pa does it and has great results with it.. shes seen a lot of growth on the hoof in a month.. I want to say 1/2 inch but each horse is different...
my vet is looking into it to, maybe doing it but if not I'll have to take matters in to my own hands again.. but I do feel so much better about princess in the hand of Jeremiah.
maggots will be here friday and the x rays are going to be done that day also.. clean trax tonight..
and YES I will sleep better tonight..
we wish we could claim her on my health insurance... $$$$$$$$$$.. how can you put a price on a life.. shes family after 19 years..
sincerely,
Sue & princess
oh 6/11




On Wednesday, September 30, 2015 3:07 PM, "quatzie_baby@... [EquineCushings]" wrote:


 
Sue

That is great news, sounds like you have a good care plan going forward.
The very best 

Jeannie
NRC 2010
Oregon 



Re: up date on princess after a great trim sue & princess

quatzie_baby@...
 

Sue

That is great news, sounds like you have a good care plan going forward.
The very best 

Jeannie
NRC 2010
Oregon 


Re: New to group...need help

Lorna Cane
 


Hi Nancy(?)

Please sign your posts.

Just be aware of information that could affect your treatment plan. Liquid pergolide is a concern wrt stability::



  Lorna in Ontario,Canada

ECIR Moderator 2002


*See What Works in Equine Nutrition*
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>>>I switched to the liquid which I get from Wedgewood Pharmacy.  I only need to give  1ml daily from a tiny insulin syringe. Just a little squirt into the back of her mouth.  So much easier than the pill.  This works great for us.  I Hope this helps.

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