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Deworm at same time as give Pergolide?

jamsler707@...
 

I tried a search but couldn't find a post that said it's safe or not to give Pergolide at the same time I use a dewormer paste.  Is it OK to?

Thank-you,

Julia & Luxy in PA

11/2011



Re: Foundered horse need advice please.

Nancy C
 

Hi Laura

You will receive a full welcome with a review of how we approach getting these guys back to health and rehabbed. In the meanwhile please take a look at the emergency diet in the START HERE folder. Go here and look in the NUTRITIONAL NEEDS folder

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EquineCushings/files/%201%20START%20HERE!!!/

You have to remove the triggers. Many have found that soaking untested hay is a good first step to stabilizing laminitis and seen relief in just a few days.  Get him off any green growing things.

He may also have uncontrolled PPID as suggested but we'd need to see blood work. o.5 mg of Prascend may not be enough to control the PPID. You can have PPID without the hair coat.

If he is in shoes, ask your farrier to remove them.  You can read  what needs to happen to repair the feet and what trim is required in foundered horses here. 

Laminitis

 

Lots more coming but want to give this to you as a start.

Hang in there.  You are in the right place for Tryst.  It takes work but you'll get the hang of it soon.

Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
FACT: The VA Polytechnic Pony Study is the only study to look at IR and laminitis under natural conditions. Learn more at the 2015 NO Laminitis! Conference in Georgetown, Texas, November 6-8.
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---In EquineCushings@..., <dldcsroda@...> wrote :


My cry for help is that we can't seem to stabilize him.  My vet has been very supportive and feels we have done all we can.  My farrier is great and on stand by.  What are we missing?  I want to save him!!!  He is part of our family and my daughter's first horse.  He came into our lives 7 years ago.  Please help us.  Thank you Laura Roda


Re: Hard swollen sheath

Nancy C
 

If you feel your insulin is stable and you are not seeing symptoms that might make you want to test it again, testing only ACTH to check PPID control is reasonable.

The combined ACTH/Leptin/Insulin assay is $60.00 Cornell cost (vs $30 for ACTH alone).  Some vet clinics will double these costs so I understand your reasoning.  When i get to November, if there are no other glaring issues I usually request only ACTH to make sure I know where we are.

Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
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---In EquineCushings@..., <lj_friedman@...> wrote :

I hope the mods will comment on the testing reqd?  I'm thinking for Jesse, as his insulin, glucose and leptin are quite stable.. and only the acth moves around. perhaps just acth is needed? lj friedman san diego nov 2014

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Re: pergolide

Nancy C
 

Hi Elaine

Welcome to the group.  I am assuming you have tested him to determine his PPID diagnosis.  You need to get your pergolide via a Rx from your vet. Whether they will insist on Prascend or write a script for compounded pergolide can vary.  You may know this already.

Once you have the script, there are many pharmacies across the country (I assume you are in the US) where you can order teh compound.  We don't recommend any one pharmacy but recommend the owner use one that is reputable.  There are a number of pharmacies listed in the LINKS section of our web page. This list is by no means complete. Scroll down to Pharmacies

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EquineCushings/links/all

 

Please tell us more about your gelding. There is lots you can do to help him beyond the pergolide.

Nancy C in NH
ECIR Group Moderator 2003

To learn more about the impact of fructan, understanding and diagnosing PPID and IR, nutrition, the foot, how it all comes together in the prevention of and rehab from laminitis, please join us at the 2015 NO Laminitis! Conference in Georgetown, Texas, November 6-8. 13 hours of continuing education credit available. Guest Speakers

 





---In EquineCushings@..., <eknox217@...> wrote :

my horse, Oscar, 25 year old quarter horse gelding, is having an acute bout of laminitis that may be related to Cushings (fall rise, etc). He is a rescue horse that I took in last year, and have been rehabbing. Please tell me where is the best place to order pergplide for him. Is it still available thru a compound pharmacy? thanks


Re: Hard swollen sheath

lj friedman
 

I hope the mods will comment on the testing reqd?  I'm thinking for Jesse, as his insulin, glucose and leptin are quite stable.. and only the acth moves around. perhaps just acth is needed? lj friedman san diego nov 2014

ECHistory8

 




pergolide

Elena Knox
 

my horse, Oscar, 25 year old quarter horse gelding, is having an acute bout of laminitis that may be related to Cushings (fall rise, etc). He is a rescue horse that I took in last year, and have been rehabbing. Please tell me where is the best place to order pergplide for him. Is it still available thru a compound pharmacy? thanks


Re: Foundered horse need advice please.

Chanda
 

Sounds like it could be fall rise induced laminitis, perhaps that .5mg isn't enough for him at this time of year.  [My gelding's rise apparently starts mid-to-late July, and if I don't raise his pergolide before then, his condition deteriorates.]   Despite it being molasses free beet pulp, you should still rinse it first, soak it, then rinse it again (second rinse, rinse til the water runs clear); the rinsing gets rid of any surface dirt/iron and residual sugars.

Chanda

MT 9/04


P.S. there were no other posts when I started typing.


Re: Foundered horse need advice please.

 

Laura,

Just writing to let you know you have come to the right place. The moderators will contact you asap and help get you set up. Laminitis is devastating and I wanted you to know there is hope in that by trying these recommendations, you will be doing the absolute best that you can for your guy. The info shared here is the cutting edge in PPID & IR theory & treatment, bar none.

FWIW, my own PPID horse -- like yours -- does not have the typical coarse, thick "Cushing's coat". She has gorgeous dapples and a slick coat from head to toe. She is very early PPID and I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that Dr Kellon and this group's recommendations saved her life last year.

Start getting your bloodwork together, as you will be asked to supply results, etc. This time of year this list gets extra busy, and the info flying around will seem overwhelming, but please know we are here to help. The goal for every horse, in every post here, is always "No Laminitis".

Help is coming. Stay the course, and keep your chin up.

Kerry in NY
Licensed Veterinary Technician
Sept 2014


Re: Protecting the Value of our Data

Maggie
 

Hi Barb,

It looks like you've been doing some reading!  Good for you on having the blood work done and your hay analyzed!  Looking forward to seeing your CH, labs and hay analysis.  

Here's  a link to ECHistory8, the current "filing cabinet" for Case histories:  https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory8/info  You need to join (keeps spam down) but it should not take long to get approved.  Once approved, the instructions for how to do your CH will be sent to you.  They are also in the files of the main group and the ECH8 group.  Here's a link for you so you can look over the instructions while waiting to be approved to ECH8:  https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EquineCushings/files/9%20Case%20Histories/   You can also upload your hay analysis and lab work in you CH folder.  The first file in this folder is a list of people that can help you to get your diet balanced:  https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EquineCushings/files/7%20Help%20with%20Mineral%20Balancing/ 

Once you get your CH done on ECH8, come back to the ECIR main list, click on the purple "new topic" button and start a new topic.  You should do this anytime you are asking a new question, ie, not responding in a current thread.  This helps to bring focus to your topic and also helps for future searching of the archives.  

Please sign your name (first is fine), date of joining, general location and a link to your CH each time you post.  If you haven't already found it, here's a link to our website, which contains a ton of great information about IR and PPID:  http://ecirhorse.org/ 

Maggie, Chancey and Spiral in VA
March 2011
EC moderator/Primary Response
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/ECHistory4/files/maggie%20in%20virginia/ 




Re: Hard swollen sheath

Sharon Manning
 

Well it is almost time to check Blaze's blood work again and wanted to see if  everyone thought I should get the whole panel or just the ACTH?

Sense last I posted about this issue I have increased Blaze's CP to 7mg with no visual signs of improvement in the sheath. I have noticed for the first time a increase in his crest but it is still soft. No other changes in fatty areas. Attitude good, but seems stiff and slow. Last ACTH was 44.6 pg/mL with CP at 6mg. 

He is stalled around 8:30am till around 10-11pm. I have had my pasture tested nurmourios times through out the years during times I thought might be stressful (no rain, very cold, etc. ) and although high in iron, never above 7 S/S. Sense I cannot excerise him I want him to move around some. I take the pasture into consideration when balancing his supplements. I have worked this summer making poles that will build a dry paddock  (I live on rock) but have not made enough as of yet. Money, strength, etc. Will continue to work at that.
I was adding Whey to increase protein levels, as Blaze is fat and wanted a high protein low carb diet but have stopped that a few days ago, as in reading post I understand that high protein can reduce insulin sensitivity. Right?
I have added gensing of 1 tbl. to help with the cortisol. 

The only thing else I know that might help is tightening up the C:P:M ratio. (would that help?) The hay I have is extremely high in C because of weeds (red clover). I will have to use this mixed grass low S/S until mid winter. I have found another supplier now that has very very clean hay (fescue) and that guy will be our supplier from now on for my herd.... OR I could just start Blaze only  on my clean fescue hay which has a better C:P ratio but is low in protein. So would have to add whey.

thanks

Sharon

E TN

2005

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Foundered horse need advice please.

Laura Roda
 

My name is Laura Roda, I live in Wellington Fl.  My horse is a 15 year old Arabian, Tryst.   A month ago 8/26 he was diagnosed with laminitis and began sinking by the third day. The sinking was mild and on right front foot.  The left front began sinking inward 3 weeks later due to Tryst using his left for constant support.  Clogs were immediately used subsequent to the initial sinking 9/3.  He stabilized for approx. 10 days and began sinking again right front with some rotation.  He is not stabilizing.  X-rays have been done approx 7-10 days apart, constant small negative changes. 2 gms Bute am/pm  stall rest deep bedding.  Was iced 24/7 for initial  2 weeks.

Previous med history on Tryst

Always an easy keeper  started testing insulin/ glucose and ACTH over 5 years ago.  6 months ago we started him on .5 prascend pm, and 1 scoop Thyrozine am/pm  He has been off all grain ( 5 months) and fed 1st cut Timothy,  very little grass basically dry lot.  Hay divided into 6am, 12pm, 4pm, 9pm feedings. Supplemented with 1/2 cup molasses free beet pulp soaked. 1 scoop Optyzyme, 1 scoop sugar free electrolyte, biotin 100, Equithrive (resveratrol),  Since laminitis diagnosis he has been feed Triple Crown Safe Starch forage which is Timothy NSC of 8.5 % . 

Evident signs:  cresty neck, fat deposits, enlarged sheath.  Non conforming data is:  his hair was always so short and hardly needed to be shaved, always and still has glossy coat.

My cry for help is that we can't seem to stabilize him.  My vet has been very supportive and feels we have done all we can.  My farrier is great and on stand by.  What are we missing?  I want to save him!!!  He is part of our family and my daughter's first horse.  He came into our lives 7 years ago.  Please help us.  Thank you Laura Roda


CONTRIBUTING YOUR INFORMATION - HELP US TO HELP YOU

ThePitchforkPrincess@...
 

This is a very large group of horse owners with the potential for having a large database of information.  Well-documented scientific data (your case history) helps the ECIR Group gain the trust of science-based equine professionals and shows patterns that shape the protocols that helps so many PPID and IR horses and owners. Sharing your information is the best way to thank the ECIR Group's volunteers for their help. Please take the time to add or update your Case History.

 

 

HELP US TO HELP YOU:

For faster and more relevant answers, please include a link to your case history, photos etc, in your messages – to properly answer any questions the volunteers need to see a case history for your horse.

 

 

POSTING YOUR HORSE'S INFORMATION:

1. NEW Case Histories should now be posted in ECHistory8.

 

2. Full instructions and templates can be found in the main files in the folder 
9 Case Histories

 

3. Keep your case history safe! Avoid losing your information by following the simple instructions and tricks for posting and updating case histories in the document

“Warning for Naming Folders”.   

 

3. If you are updating an old Case History but there is no longer enough space on older history groups, feel free to move your information to ECHistory8.

 

<<< IMPORTANT >>>

4. Photos of any sort - this includes photos of text such as lab reports - should be posted in the PHOTOS SECTION of the ECHistory Group where your case history is posted.   Links to ECIR Case History Sites

 

If you had or have to move your Case History, you don't need to move your photos. Just be sure a link to them is posted in both your case history and your message signature.

 

As you can appreciate, there are just too many places information can be.  It is the responsibility of the uploader to note the urls and provide links whenever seeking advice from the volunteers. If you are unsure how to do this see the document "How to Make, Save and Post Signatures and Links". 

 

5.  Please check if you can add any information to the various Databases and Polls. Often overlooked, these tools gather the information Dr. Kellon needs to make and update the protocols that the group uses to help PPID and IR horses.   

For Neo Yahoo users, buttons/links to these locations can be found just under the any of the group's cover photos.

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Re: Briania and Tango

janieclougher@...
 

Okay, I will be in touch!


Re: New Case History

Sharon Wolfe
 

Hello again, I hope I did it right this time. If not I'll try again. My self taught computer skills leave a lot to be desired.
Solomon is a 26 year old TW gelding that I have owned from birth.
I have everything in the case history form that I can remember. Solomon was just recently tested for the first time. I am not sure what the numbers mean. He doesn't have sore feet, but is thinner than I like him to be. He has lost lots of muscle especially on his shoulders. He doesn't have eye bulges, but does have deep holes above his eyes. Would love to have some knowledgeable feed back. Will try to answer your questions if you have any.

Sharon and Solomon
Spencer In
Feb 2003
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory8/files/Sharon%20and%20Solomon/


Re: Protecting the Value of our Data

stormwalkerfarms@...
 

How do I add my horse's case history.  I have had the blood test done and our hay analyzed. Thanks for your help 
Barb P


Re: Briania and Tango

briania long
 

Hi Jaini


Friday might work if I get home, before dark.  Will have internet access while gone,also have a cell phone.



briania

Joined 9-28-2015

International falls MN


Re: Was ACTH and Lyme, Now Reference Range Question

Stephanie Stout
 

Hi Terri and Jaini,

I just wanted to add that you aren't alone Terri -  I'm having the exact same argument with my vet about upping Pergolide for the seasonal rise as she is also convinced that the maximum for this time is 100 mg/mL(ACTH from Cornell) and I am really frustrated about the whole thing. I finally got her to write a prescription at least for now so I have been able to raise King's pergolide(ACTH came back @ 49 from Cornell in the middle of Sept). It was a 2-hour argument about it, though! I also have another horse whose ACTH came back at 68 mg/mL and the vet refuses to admit/acknowledge that the horse has Cushings. (I'm pulling my hair out) 

Just thought I would offer my support as I know what you're going through. Best of luck! 
Stephanie & King
Oregon
Oct 2014
(I'm sorry, I don't have my CH link on my phone right now)




Re: Briania and Tango

Lorna Cane
 




>>>Hope this helps,


It can really help us begin to see the whole picture if you will transfer all the information you have mentioned in your messages,and any other information you recall, to your case history.

I recall that you have it, the CH doc, downloaded to your computer.


That will allow you to get all your paperwork organized ,as well,and have the folder ready to add the paperwork from the vet's visit coming up next week.


That should reduce the stress of doing it all at once,as in waiting until your vet sees Tango.




Lorna in Ontario,Canada
ECIR Moderator 2002


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Protecting the Value of our Data

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

The information in our posts and case histories is of tremendous value to all our members and is also used for formal studies.  It is extremely important that it be factual.  To protect the integrity and veracity of the group's data, a member may be asked at times to produce documentation, such as a copy of a report.  If you want to remain anonymous and keep your veterinarians anonymous, that's fine.  You can simply black out or cover over that information before sending.  These requests will be rare.  Most of you will never receive one.  We just wanted everyone to know we take the importance of accurate information very seriously.

Eleanor in PA
www.drkellon.com
EC Co-owner
Feb 2001



Re: Briania and Tango

briania long
 

Here's the post numbers that tell what he's had done. 196981  196990  196994


Owners I contacted gave no health back round,or didn't want to disclose it, some were not to friendly and didn't care to talk to me. One previous owner said horse bucked and he just washed his hands clean of him,took him to sale barn to get rid of him.


Hope this helps,

briania

Joined 9-28-2015

International falls MN

80601 - 80620 of 273829