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Re: help... Princess culture sue & princess

janieclougher@...
 

Hi, Sue - thanks for the culture and sensitivity info.  Dr. Kellon's opinion is to repeat the regional limb perfusion; confer with your vet on the antibiotic.  My gut feeling is to go with baytril, especially for RLP (less systemic effect)  Did Princess get gentamicin last time?


so what would be the best to treat her with, besides the maggots and clean trax.. I'm also getting the podi-green to use.
I'm posting the  culture so you can see it..

thanks sue & princess
oh 6/11


Re: Hay testing

Cheri McDermott
 

I get the custom package of water soluble carbs and starch. It's $25.00.  That gives me the non-structured carb percentage.  It takes about a week to get the report back.  When it comes back you can verify the results by calling the lab tech, Chris.


Re: low sugar/strarch hay

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Hi Barbara,

Know that Yahoo is not the most user-friendly (OK, it's miserably NOT user-friendly) since the Neo format was introduced so all of us need to just bite our collective lips, be patient and keep plugging away at it. It does become somewhat easier as you become more familiar with the ins and outs of navigating it.

Here is the link to your case history:

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory8/files/Barbara%20and%20Lily/

Really helps us to help you when you include it with all of your posts, esp if you have any questions.

The test was done using NIR protocols rather than wet chemistry, which means the results are an approximation of what is in the hay based on comparisons to similar types of hay. It is a less expensive method of testing that isn't the most reliable, esp for our IR/PPID compromised horses. The test only looked at some major minerals, no traces were done so you couldn't mineral balance from this test - would need to pull samples and send for complete testing in order to be able to mineral balance. Calcium is high. The results are listed based on dry matter content rather than AS Fed values so make the math a bit more challenging.

The sugar/starch number of 12.2% listed (ESC + Starch) would actually be somewhat lower than that as the hay contains 15% moisture but is still high for an IR/PPID mini. They incorrectly label this as NSC - NSC is WSC + Starch. As there is no value listed for WSC, there is no way to actually figure the NSC. Not a problem as we don't use that figure anyway.

Unless you are willing to soak, I'd be trying to find a hay with a lower ESC (ethanol soluble carbohydrates) + Starch number.

Lavinia, Dante, George Too and Peanut
Jan 05, RI
EC Support Team



Re: Hay testing

Lydia Lawson
 

Oh and I did read the file section on hay tests that talks about NIR vs Wet chem but I cannot tell that these two tests have a different way of testing all the components. Some are done the same way and maybe the important ones are?

Lydia Lawson
CA 2008


Hay testing

Lydia Lawson
 

This has likely been answered before but can somebody quickly tell me what test is recommended for hay analysis from Equi-analytical. I'm trying to decide between the 601 and 603. We had some discussion in the NSC grads group about it but it got a bit technical for me and I am still unclear the best choice. If the 601 is adequate I'd prefer to save the $.


Lydia Lawson

CA 2008


Re: Beet-e-bites

larockj@...
 

Thanks Nancy, and thank you too Ferne, for your input.

I did see they had the treats tested, which is great, especially for this group.  :-) 

I guess we'll just have to give them a try!

Jessica & Mimi
NY June 2015
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help... Princess culture sue & princess

sue wolf <wolffarm4@...>
 

hello,
After 4 days I finally got her results... yes it was taken in june and I'm just now getting them... can you tell me what would be the best medican to put princess on..
we did the Regional limb perfusion was done.. and  surgical cleaning is not in the budget.. I wish it was.. so what would be the best to treat her with, besides the maggots and clean trax.. I'm also getting the podi-green to use.
I'm posting the  culture so you can see it..

thanks sue & princess
oh 6/11


Re: Beet-e-bites

Nancy C
 

Hi Jessica

My understanding is these have been tested on horses with PPID and /or IR.

Here is the link to the analysis

About Our Treats low sugar, low carbohydrate all natural horse treats

 



They test all their stuff at Equi-Analytical. Never say never but I will give these a try on my very IR gelding.

Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003

FACT: With knowledge of the nutrient profile of the forage and the animal's weight and level of work, one can supplement only what is needed to target nutritional needs.

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---In EquineCushings@..., <larockj@...> wrote :

So... before I order a batch, can I assume the ECIR group considers these treats safe for all Cushing's/IR horses?  (In small quantities, of course.) 


Jessica & Mimi
NY June 2015
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Re: low sugar/strarch hay

Barbara Vincent
 

Hi Nancy C,

  If the hay analysis I loaded on my CH form over a week ago has be reviewed, I can't find it.
Is it in "Conversations?"  
  I have difficulty navigating this forum.
Barbara and Lily
Malvern, PA
March 2015


Re: CASE HISTORIES: WHY THEY ARE IMPORTANT

Nancy C
 

STANDING OVATION SALLY!!!!!!

I'm leaving your whole message intact on purpose.

Nancy C in NH
ECIR Group Moderator 2003

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I just wanted to mention how simple it was to *finally* fill out a case history for my horse, Poladin. 

I have been a member of this group since 2003 and my horse wasn't diagnosed PPID until 2010. Thanks to everything I have learned from this group over the years, I have never had any problems managing his condition. However, it's great to have all of his information stored in one handy place in case I suddenly do need to ask for help.

The instructions are very clear and simple to follow. It took me less than an hour to fill it out and upload all of my horse's information. If you haven't filled out a case history for your horse, just do it - you'll be glad that you did :)

Sally Hugg
N. California
2003

 












Re: CASE HISTORIES: WHY THEY ARE IMPORTANT

ThePitchforkPrincess@...
 

Hi Sally,
Wow you really made my day!  Thanks for saying this.  

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Re: princess & sue.. need to know if this is a safe medican HELP

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 


Antibiotic choice should ideally be based on the results of sensitivity testing.  Regional limb perfusion is probably the preferred treatment method, or implantation of antibiotic releasing beads if surgical cleaning/debridement is done.

Jaini is correct that this family of antibiotics (quinolones) can cause a release of insulin from the pancreas.  It varies with the specific drug and the species.  I don't think equine details are available.

Eleanor in PA
www.drkellon.com
EC Co-owner
Feb 2001
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Re: Help...I now have another with IR, Cushings, and Hypothyroid

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 


Just to clarify here, it's true there is no primary pathology of the thyroid involved and suppression usually corrects when the IR/PPID is controlled and with mineral supplementation.  That said, some vets choose to use high dose thyroid (induce hyperthyroidism) to help obese horses lose weight. Long term safety of this is not established and it further suppresses the gland making weaning them off difficult.  Some vets also supplement more reasonable levels, to restore normal numbers, because it helps a lot of horses feel better.  It's not a necessary part of treatment, just an individual judgment call.

Eleanor in PA
www.drkellon.com
EC Co-owner
Feb 2001



Re: princess & sue.. need to know if this is a safe medican HELP

janieclougher@...
 

Hi, Sue - I do know that enrofloxacin (Baytril) can cause an insulin increase in rats, which means use with caution. On the other hand, if Baytril is the only thing that is going to work, then one has to weigh the risks and benefits.

Have you got a list of the bacteria and the antibiotics that work?

Need Dr. Kellon's input on this, too.




Re: Help...I now have another with IR, Cushings, and Hypothyroid

lj friedman
 

Glad I asked.  When I posted Jesse;s labs and my vets suggestion to start thyroid L, because of low thyroid,  Dr Kellon wrote that this is most likely eurothryoid sick syndrome and no need to use thyroid L.


Re: timeline for restesing and more questions

vicky monen
 


Thanks so much for all the information and I will work on more photos!!


Thanks again,

Vicky Monen and Samson

Ga, Aug 2015

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory8/files/Vicky%20and%20Samson/
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/ECHoof/photos/albums/1698376942

 


Re: Beet-e-bites

larockj@...
 

So... before I order a batch, can I assume the ECIR group considers these treats safe for all Cushing's/IR horses?  (In small quantities, of course.) 

I'm concerned that there are ingredients like bits of carrots, when this group advocates zero carrots or apples for horses at very high risk of laminitis, as Mimi is at the moment. 

I sooo want these to be safe!

Jessica & Mimi
NY June 2015
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory8/files/Jessica%20and%20Mimi/
ECHistory8

 


princess & sue.. need to know if this is a safe medican HELP

sue wolf <wolffarm4@...>
 

hello everyone,
need a little help.. is enrofloxa a safe medicine for princess?   I'm going to up load her new x reys too. she abscess on the club hoof but only a little one. no big deal.. her reg hoof I'm having a hard time getting the infection cleared up.. I did clean trax and the maggots that was a wast. they got squashed  ... my fault.. I need better planing next time but the club hoof is clearing up really nice... I'm waiting for the culture  that was done to let you know what it was, there was 3 bact.. what can I do different? I'm doing the clean trax again tomorrow and then Jeremiah is coming out again the sept 15.. I ordered the podi green. I should be able to use it its the same as clean trax.. I was thinking that I can put some antibiotics that is made to kill  the 3 bact and pack that in it between the maggots and clean trax.. I don't know what else I can do.. any more ideas??!!!!????!!!!!??
sincerely,
Sue & princess
oh 6/11


Re: Beet-e-bites

ferne fedeli
 

My guys get a BeetiBites cookie on top of every dish of supplements and that is the first thing they grab!  I did try the crumbles a few months ago, and they weren't so enamored...  Every horse is different though, that is for sure.  They might work just perfectly for you!!!  The Pill Pockets things sound great!
Ferne Fedeli
No. California
Regional Database Coordinator

On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 2:51 PM, larockj@... [EquineCushings] <EquineCushings@...> wrote:
 

I wonder if the crumbles versions would help picky eaters eat their BP and custom minerals??  We're struggling with that now, big time!

Jessica & Mimi
NY June 2015
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Re: Beet-e-bites

larockj@...
 

I wonder if the crumbles versions would help picky eaters eat their BP and custom minerals??  We're struggling with that now, big time!

Jessica & Mimi
NY June 2015
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory8/files/Jessica%20and%20Mimi/
ECHistory8

 

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