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Re: gooppy eyes, why?

Dee Kenville <ndeewoods@...>
 

I was actually following this and no the question was not answered...the answer you linked to said it could be either IR or cushings...but not why which was half the poster's question. I guess it doesn't really matter to me since I am treating my Bren for both.  
But to the original poster...a fly mask for us does reduce the goopiness by about 80% . I am on the coast with a gentle breeze 24/7 so we rarely have flys so I am guessing in our case that it might simply be dust or sun causing the goopiness or exacerbating it...

Dee in Santa Cruz, CA


Re: gooppy eyes, why?

 

So if the goopy eyes are a result of weak immune system, does uncontrolled PPID weaken the immune system?  And therefore when treated with pergolide the PPID becomes controlled and the immune system improves, therefore the goopy eyes clear up?   We have no flies, no dust.  Its rainy and cool.  No other allergy type things in the air or environment that I can tell.  No one else has eye issues.  

Am I connecting the dots correctly here?  If so then which condition is usually more responsible for weakened immune system,  IR or PPID?  

We have 2 horses here at the rescue, diagnosed PPID by regional vet using physical symptoms (blood testing not in rescue budget).  Both had the "goopy eyes".  Both have cleared up within a week or two of starting pergolide.  One also had bulging pouches over the eyes where there is usually an indention, the other did not.  The one with the bulges has the poofy pockets reduced.  

What is the cause of the poofiness over the eyes?  The area appears to be fluid filled like little pillows.  Its the area that is usually indented above the orbital bone.  

We ramped the pergolide based on these physical symptoms, starting at .5 gram.  The horses were diagnosed at different times months apart but used similar process for each.  I determined I was using the correct dose of pergolide when these 2 symptoms went away.  One horse ended up on 1 gram, the other 1.5.  Neither had veil.  Vet agreed this was probably a good way to go.  I based this plan on what I think I am reading here.  Many time I have read "the correct dose is the one that controls the symptoms".  

Now that the seasonal spike is winding down, I am attempting to lower the dose.  The 1.5 is now on 1.  The 1 now at .75.  I have the powder form in the refrigerator.  I keep a weeks supply in a separate container so I dont have to keep opening the main container each day.  I am hoping this helps keep it "fresh" and effective.  

Anything else I should keep in mind?  This seems to be working as both horses are doing well.  Standard protocols in place. Low s/s grass hay, dry lot, balanced minerals to hay test, etc. 

One horse had blood work done after being on pergolide a few months. Now that I have this data, I am trying to finish his case history to post.  I am retaking CIR as I seem to have forgotten some things. 

Debora 
NRC+ 1112, CIR0113 and others. 
Montana 



Re: 2015 Conference Attendance

Nancy C
 

What we need for consideration of any particular area are volunteers on the ground, venue to hold 200 people comfortably, access to catering, hotels, AV, etc.

The conference takes place every two years so we are talking 2017.

Lots more later......

Nancy C in NH (who need to be one with her farm for a while post conference)
ECIR Group moderator
February 2003
 


Re: thrush and scratches can they affect IR

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

There is a clear influence of IR (and PPID) on the immune system although equine details are still sketchy.  Systemic inflammation can also affect IR although I'm not sure how much effect there would be with a local problem.

Scratches is more common in animals with inflammation in the feet. The thrush and scratches may also be contributed to by copper and zinc deficiency which you have on your hay analysis, along with iron and manganese excess which only make it worse and he may well be iron overloaded as well. The Equalizer supplement also has added iron and manganese that they do not include on the guaranteed analysis.  I would stop that product and start over with supplementing only what is needed from the hay analysis.

For thrush, meticulous cleaning and trimming, local treatment with bovine mastitis antibiotics usually works well.  For scratches, my personal favorite is a daily cleansing with tea tree based sheath cleaner. Leave it on for five minutes to soften and remove any scabs.  Leave open to the air.

Eleanor in PA
www.drkellon.com
EC Co-owner
Feb 2001




WAS: APF influences ACTH results NOW: ECIR Group Benefactors

Nancy C
 

Auburn Labs is a prime Benefactor for ECIR Group Inc.

You can see all our Benefactors at link below.  Some, such as Omega Fields, offer discounts via our web site.

http://ecirhorse.org/index.php/benefactors

Nancy C in NH
ECIR Group Mod
February 2003


thrush and scratches can they affect IR

vicky monen
 

Hi,

I am now currently battling thrush and scratches with my IR pony.  Can either of these affect Insulin levels in the horse, who is currently in the 4 month out recovery/maintenance process of IR diagnosis and laminitic episode? 


 Does the immune system become compromised with IR?  or is thrush and scratches strictly environmentally caused?


What is the best suggested treatment for scratches?



Vicky Monen and Samson

Ga, Aug 2015

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory8/files/Vicky%20and%20Samson/
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/ECHoof/photos/albums/1698376942`



Re: New to group-Vicki & Jack

Lorna Cane
 




Hi Vicki,

Welcome!

I've sent you an invitation to EC History 8,which is where we store our Case Histories.





New to group-Vicki & Jack

Vicki Bucy
 

hello, I am not really new, I have been lurking for about 6 months. I am ready to upload my files, but I don't know what name to use or where to upload them. I have the directions and forms to upload, I just don't know where. Thanks and I look forward to getting some more info to help Jack.


Vicki Bucy


Re: 2015 Conference Attendance

ferne fedeli
 

​Tucson would be a great spot for me!!!  Not terribly far away and I missed out on going down to Tucson when I visited friends in Gilbert a few years ago.  And in the fall the weather should be great!

On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 4:21 PM, Leigh Jacobs equinesrfun@... [EquineCushings] <EquineCushings@...> wrote:
 

Hi Nancy,
Thank you for the count.  I will be talking to clinic clients encouraging them to attend the next conference.  There will always be new information to learn and knowledgeable people to meet.  I hope you all decide for somewhere in the southwest!  I don't know that I can get enough volunteers to make a success of it, but will put feelers out to Tanque Verde guest ranch and others, if you all are interested. Had a great time, met interesting people and learned alot!
Thank you to the whole ECIR group and volunteers who helped make this conference a success.
Leigh, Ace and Shadow
Tucson, AZ
2011?



On Thursday, November 12, 2015 10:12 AM, "threecatfarm@... [EquineCushings]" <EquineCushings@...> wrote:


 
For those interested......

Conference Attendance
165 Total

31 Horse Owners
36 Veterinary Pros, including 4 Veterinary speakers
40 Trimmers
4 Farriers We’ll do better on this next time. 
    Thanks to Beth Lewis and our new connection with AAPF
25 Benefactor Attendees
29 Guests, Speakers, Breeders, Trainers, Supplement Makers, Teachers, etc

7 Did not attend for various reasons, including travel issues.

Nancy C in NH
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Re: gooppy eyes, why?

Nancy C
 

Symptom of both.  Immune system.

Poor man. For more *satisfaction* recommend archive message search.


Nancy C in NH
ECIR Group Mod
February 2003



---In EquineCushings@..., <lj_friedman@...> wrote :

I asked this recently, but the answer didn't satisfy me.. Are goopy eyes an indicator of cushings?  or IR?  If yes, what is going wrong in the horses body that causes the goopy eyes?  lj friedman san diego. 


Re: 2015 Conference Attendance

Nancy C
 

Many thanks Leigh....stay in touch on this.

Nancy C in NH
ECIR Group Mod
February 2003




---In EquineCushings@..., <equinesrfun@...> wrote :

Hi Nancy,
Thank you for the count.  I will be talking to clinic clients encouraging them to attend the next conference. 


Re: 2015 Conference Attendance

Lorna Cane
 


Leigh said:

Thank you to the whole ECIR group and volunteers who helped make this conference a success.

I tried to say the same thing earlier,but message got eaten.Or it will appear now that I have posted again.

Appreciate seeing the numbers,too.Thanks!


>>>Conference Attendance
165 Total

31 Horse Owners
36 Veterinary Pros, including 4 Veterinary speakers
40 Trimmers
4 Farriers We’ll do better on this next time. 
    Thanks to Beth Lewis and our new connection with AAPF
25 Benefactor Attendees
29 Guests, Speakers, Breeders, Trainers, Supplement Makers, Teachers, etc

7 Did not attend for various reasons, including travel issues.


 


Re: gooppy eyes, why?

Lorna Cane
 



>I asked this recently, but the answer didn't satisfy me.. Are goopy eyes an indicator of cushings?  or IR?


And you read this response?

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EquineCushings/conversations/messages/197737


I'm confused. I thought the above covered the bases, no?.



Lorna in Ontario,Canada

ECIR Moderator 2002


http://www.ecirhorse.com/images/stories/Success_Story_3_-Ollies_Story__updated.pdf



gooppy eyes, why?

lj friedman
 

I asked this recently, but the answer didn't satisfy me.. Are goopy eyes an indicator of cushings?  or IR?  If yes, what is going wrong in the horses body that causes the goopy eyes?  lj friedman san diego. 


Re: 2015 Conference Attendance

Leigh Jacobs
 

Hi Nancy,
Thank you for the count.  I will be talking to clinic clients encouraging them to attend the next conference.  There will always be new information to learn and knowledgeable people to meet.  I hope you all decide for somewhere in the southwest!  I don't know that I can get enough volunteers to make a success of it, but will put feelers out to Tanque Verde guest ranch and others, if you all are interested. Had a great time, met interesting people and learned alot!
Thank you to the whole ECIR group and volunteers who helped make this conference a success.
Leigh, Ace and Shadow
Tucson, AZ
2011?



On Thursday, November 12, 2015 10:12 AM, "threecatfarm@... [EquineCushings]" wrote:


 
For those interested......

Conference Attendance
165 Total

31 Horse Owners
36 Veterinary Pros, including 4 Veterinary speakers
40 Trimmers
4 Farriers We’ll do better on this next time. 
    Thanks to Beth Lewis and our new connection with AAPF
25 Benefactor Attendees
29 Guests, Speakers, Breeders, Trainers, Supplement Makers, Teachers, etc

7 Did not attend for various reasons, including travel issues.

Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
Learn the facts about IR, PPID, equine nutrition, exercise and the foot.
www.ECIRhorse.org
Check out the FACTS on Facebook
https://www.facebook.com/ECIRGroup
Support the ECIR Group Inc., the nonprofit arm of the ECIR Group
ECIR Group Inc.





Re: update on princess

sue wolf <wolffarm4@...>
 

thank you !
i hope that when princess recovers it will give everyone hope,  not to give up, if the horse is still willing to fight...
I'm going to do the ozone injections and bag on the hoof  next. its an investment but Jeremiah said its worth it..
Sue & princess
oh 6/11 



On Thursday, November 12, 2015 12:20 PM, "Ferne Fedeli fedelif@... [EquineCushings]" wrote:


 
What wonderful news, Sue!!!  I think a lot of us have been following your Princess posts with interest and sympathy!!!  Keep up the good work, you two!!!​

Ferne Fedeli
No. California
Regional Members Database Coordinator
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Hello everyone,
Its been a long long road. but my little girl has done a  hell of a fight and I feel we are making more progress now.
sincerely,
Sue & princess
oh 6/11



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Re: APF influences ACTH results (conversation with Auburn Labs)

lj friedman
 

I was at a horse show in Temecula ca last week and I saw a booth with Auburn veterinarians. And he had a blender and made bloody Mary's for us. Very nice. Of course he knows Dr. Kellon group Lj friedman San Diego


Re: 2015 Conference Attendance

Lorna Cane
 



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Do you know where next year's conference will be yet?  ~Shelley
 


Re: 2015 Conference Attendance

Shelley Candelario <shelleycandelario@...>
 


Do you know where next year's conference will be yet?  ~Shelley
 


From: "threecatfarm@... [EquineCushings]"
To: EquineCushings@...
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 9:11 AM
Subject: [EquineCushings] 2015 Conference Attendance

 
For those interested......

Conference Attendance
165 Total

31 Horse Owners
36 Veterinary Pros, including 4 Veterinary speakers
40 Trimmers
4 Farriers We’ll do better on this next time. 
    Thanks to Beth Lewis and our new connection with AAPF
25 Benefactor Attendees
29 Guests, Speakers, Breeders, Trainers, Supplement Makers, Teachers, etc

7 Did not attend for various reasons, including travel issues.

Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
Learn the facts about IR, PPID, equine nutrition, exercise and the foot.
www.ECIRhorse.org
Check out the FACTS on Facebook
https://www.facebook.com/ECIRGroup
Support the ECIR Group Inc., the nonprofit arm of the ECIR Group
ECIR Group Inc.





Re: ODTBC's tonight in the RTP area of NC?

kimgedckewagner
 

I huge THANK YOU whinny goes out to Donna and Billie from CG for dinner and breakfast last night and today!
Gotta love good people.

Kim & CG
New Hill, NC
Winter 2005

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