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Lyme information

harr754@...
 

I saw this on facebook:  "ECIR Group - Equine Cushings and Insulin Resistance Oh, no! Michele, I am so very sorry to hear this. It sounds like Lyme is the culprit. Please, please, please join the ECIR Yahoo group. There are quite a few volunteers who are very familiar with dealing with chronic and acute Lyme disease in their horses, and you will get a ton of information to help you make the right decisions with regards to talking to your vet, meds etc. I am glad he is more comfy now, but until you get on top of the recurrence of the Lyme, he won't be 100%."


I have tried searching but I apparently don't know what I'm doing!  Where can I find more information on Lyme on this site?


Thanks!


Ann

Danielsville, PA

 


Re: Jiaogulan , APF, Prascend

janieclougher@...
 

Thanks for that heads up, Dawn - good to know.   I am glad your vet sounds on-the-ball; treating the horse as well as the numbers is important!  I am also happy to NOT hear: "Can't be Cushing's, no long, curly coat". (my education on equine cushing's in vet school many, many years ago was pretty much confined to coat changes, then dig the hole).

One vet at a time, slowly but surely...

You are a great ambassador for all those metabolic and PPID horses out there. Keep up the good work!

Jaini (BVSc),Merlin,Maggie,Gypsy

BC 09
ECIR mod/support

EC Case History 1





---In EquineCushings@..., <parkell2001@...> wrote :

Just a heads up. I used to be able to buy APF from Tractor Supply and both of my somewhat local tack shops. ...

I called both tack shops, two feed stores and visited two Tractor Supply stores. None carry APF anymore.

Dawn Wagstaff
Saline, MI  2003


Re: New hoof pics up for Saphira

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Hi Dee,

Have added mark-ups to Saphira's album:

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory8/photos/albums/1713798251

Regarding the pigeon-toed stance, it can be conformational but many more times it is pathological - need to work with your hoof pro, a good body worker and your vet to determine which scenario is the cause/contributor. In Saphira's case, there are definitely hoof issues that are causing an inward twisting to the hoof capsules as the current break over point does not align with the center of her cannon and pastern. It is also evident in how the heels and central sulcus align. More on that later. Muscle issues will contribute as tightness in the adducters (and other large muscles in the shoulders/chest) limit correct movement.

The general scenario is that Saphira's toes are too long, heels have migrated severely forward (esp behind), bars are quite overgrown. There are some medio-lateral imbalances. The xrays show a bit of distal descent (aka sinking) so there isn't any extra height in the hoof capsule to work with as the bony column is sitting slightly deeper inside than it should. Sole depth was barely adequate when the xrays were taken. General goals are going to be to back the toes from the top, bring the heels back under the bony column and tame the over-exuberant bars so they don't dominate the landscape. There has been some progress made on several fronts since the last set of pix, so kudos on that

LF dorsal: The medial wall is a tad taller than the lateral. The yellow lines are showing some of the points to look at when assessing M-L balance - they should be horizontal, not consistently dipping toward the outside. Note how bunched up the area of the coronary band is on the medial side vs the lateral side. Purple is where there are uneven (high) points in the hoof capsule. The bulges in the coronary band are current points - following the horn tubules down from these areas to the ground will show where the wall needs to be adjusted so that the bulges can relax. That there are bulges occurring all the way down the hoof capsule tells you these have been in place for some time.

LF lateral: Green line follows the angle of new growth coming in under the coronary band. Blue is where the heels should be to properly provide support while yellow is where they are currently. Red is the distance they need to come back to be functioning at their best.

LF sole oblique: Lime is the excessive bar height - it should be passive to the wall/frog. Pink is where the heel buttresses currently reside, yellow is where they should be, even with each other and with the widest part of the frog. They have migrated so far forward, and have been there for a long enough time, that the digital cushion and frog have also pulled somewhat forward and under and have buried the actual base of the heels. Need to work to back the heels and uncover their true location. Best not to slice too much frog away, rather lightly (as in o1-2 passes of the rasp) rasp the heels flatter once every week or two to gradually get things moving back without losing valuable depth in the back of the foot and without cutting away living frog material. Each time the heels are moved back, the resulting ground contact will work to remove excess frog and on the next adjustment you should be able to remove some dead/exfoliating material. Orange is migrating sole that has bunched up under the toe, covering the white line. Most of this will disappear when the toe is taken back  - any that remains can be flattened level with the walls.

Soles: Lots going on here. I tried to keep the "fruit salad" as clear as I could - please let me know if it doesn't make sense.

LF sole: Orange is where the toes need to be backed to and the walls brought inward. This should be done from the top, rasping downward, as you don't want to remove any sole depth. Pink is where the current heel buttresses are, yellow is where they need to be. This won't happen in one trim as there isn't enough depth in the back of the foot to move the heels that much in one trim. How much can be done will depend on Saphira's comfort level - use it as a guide. It appears as if the lateral heel had migrated further forward than the medial one but has been brought back to even now. Note how the hoof capsule was beginning to bulge between 9 and 12 o'clock and had flattened between 3 and 5. Lime is the excess bars that are leaning outward and pooling over the sole, burying the hoof-wall juncture. Gently but consistently (no amputations, please) work toward getting them brought back in toward the frog where they belong. Sometimes they will want to exfoliate quite easily, sometimes not - listen to them. Red is where the true tip of the frog is. The rest is old frog that has become trapped in the sole and is migrating forward following the pull of the toe. No need to carve it away until it releases - only nip off any flaps, hanging bits. This goes for the entire frog - only trim off dead flaps, curls that can trap debris.

RF sole: Same as LF but the lateral heel is still further forward than the medial. The hoof capsule has twisted more, causing it to look like the break over should be further inward than is true. The break over should align with a line drawn down thru the center of the lower leg, thru the center of the pastern and down the dorsal hoof wall. Underneath, draw a line along the widest part of the frog (yellow), then draw on running perpendicular to this thru the central sulcus to the toe (blue). This is where the break over should be for this foot (orange arrow). Right now, it's deviated medially but here has been some improvement in this since the last pix - good work.

LH sole: Same as fronts but heels have migrated forward significantly more, with the bars curling forward and pinching the frog. Rear of the frog has been pulled forward and under, burying the base of the heels. Purple "v's"  closer to the toes are where the juncture of the wall-bars currently appears to be. The "V's" closest to the back of the foot are where these junctures actually are so need to work to expose them as the heels get moved rearward. Need to keep in mind that when moving the heels rearward, you don't want to lower them in relation to the height of the front half of the foot as that will result in the coffin bone being tipped into a ground parallel or even negative plane scenario.

It looks like the front half of the back feet may be a tad taller in relation to the rear of the feet so the angle of the coffin bone may be flatter than would be ideal. Finding live sole plane in all areas of the foot and maintaining its integrity will help to correct this as you work. The same principle should be applied to the front feet.

Lavinia, Dante, George Too and Peanut
Jan 05, RI
EC Support Team
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Case History: 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory8/files/Dee%20in%20ME%20and%20Granite/
Photos:
Granite
Saphira



 


Re: Jiaogulan , APF, Prascend

Dawn Wagstaff
 

Just a heads up. I used to be able to buy APF from Tractor Supply and both of my somewhat local tack shops. 

I called both tack shops, two feed stores and visited two Tractor Supply stores. None carry APF anymore.

I just ordered it from HorseHealthUSA, which is the closest and fastest online. Will have to wait two days before it gets here, but I will be giving the Prascend tonight and hopefully won''t see a veil immediately. Will taper on also.

I would suggest for anyone anticipating they might be starting pergolide to visit APF's website and try to find the quickest route to obtain.

Dawn Wagstaff
Saline, MI  2003


Re: Looking for some help and direction for IR Pony

Jlee DOrtona
 

Good afternoon all!

OK, I have finally gathered all the most recent xrays from the vet and got hoof pictures taken.  Fore xrays are from 10-22-15, hind xrays are from 1-28-16, and hoof pics are from 2-28-16, which was about 2 weeks after trim on 2-11-16.  My farrier is aware that there is a lot of toe to gradually take back.  I will add an update on Huckleberry later, but wanted to get these posted.

Thank you!

Jenilee & Huckleberry
NY, October 2013

ECHistory8

 


Re: Jiaogulan , APF, Prascend

Nancy C
 

Sounds like you have the situation under control.  Glad your vet is listening. I can also remember receiving a quote from clinicians who believed reports from horse owners were "suspect at best".

Here's to effecting even more change for our horses. We've come a long way but I am daily reminded of just how much work there is yet left to do.

Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
Learn the facts about IR, PPID, equine nutrition, exercise and the foot.
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I can remember when you couldn't get a vet to recommend anything other than Purina.....

Dawn Wagstaff
Saline, MI  2003



Re: Jiaogulan , APF, Prascend

Dawn Wagstaff
 

Nancy, thank you for the response, I will pick up APF this afternoon. 

In my case, I have to tread a little lightly about the Cornell/MSU situation. My vet is an adjunct at MSU, we are located only an hour away and most of the vets in my area are grads. He knows Hal Schott , DVM personally. I also attend occasional public equestrian care seminars there. They are my emergency clinic. 

He is open to working with whoever I want as far as labs, etc.( we went through quite a few labs several years ago with my mare that Dr.Kellon was consulting on). Of course, he uses MSU exclusively unless there is an overriding reason to go somewhere else. I can request Cornell next time, I just need to be "sensitive" about it.

 Fortunately for me, he didn't want to just treat lab numbers, but instead is treating the horse he sees in front of him. This is something that those members who are new need to be aware of. If you are simply treating numbers and the horse is not getting better. He also has embraced many of the recommendations here. This morning as we discussed feed, he said that for IR prone horses, in his opinion, there is no safe bagged feed, and he only recommends a carrier and either balanced minerals or a mineral ration balancer.

I can remember when you couldn't get a vet to recommend anything other than Purina.....

Dawn Wagstaff
Saline, MI  2003



Re: Jiaogulan , APF, Prascend

Nancy C
 

Hi Dawn

If you are concerned about pergolide veil, I would hold off on jherb for now and use the APF.

For those who are new to the Cornell vs MSU issue, below are a few messages that might help.  Members have seen Cornell confirm PPID when MSU did not.  It has nothing to do with courier service. One member suspected her horse was uncontrolled through signs even though regular testing with MSU was not confirming same.  Side-by-side testing at her expense showed Cornell confirming her suspicions.  (Thank you Melanie)

Links to conversations about this below. See especially 170798.

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EquineCushings/conversations/topics/170798

 


https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EquineCushings/conversations/messages/194249

 


https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EquineCushings/conversations/messages/194338

 

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EquineCushings/conversations/messages/188024

 


This issue can be problematic not only for initial diagnosis but for following up to make sure the pergolide is at the correct dose.

Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
Learn the facts about IR, PPID, equine nutrition, exercise and the foot.
www.ECIRhorse.org
Check out the FACTS on Facebook
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Support the ECIR Group Inc., the nonprofit arm of the ECIR Group
ECIR Group Inc.

 





---In EquineCushings@..., <parkell2001@...> wrote :



Testing will be done at Michigan State. My vet has a meeting there this afternoon so he was driving directly home to his office, will spin and process the sample, then was driving it directly to MSU and delivering it to the lab. It seemed ridiculous to ask him instead to send it via courier to Cornell. 



Re: small abscess RF

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Hi Lj,

Abscesses are the body's way of getting rid of material that is trapped and can't be disposed of in any other way. It can be necrotic material, foreign bodies, infection the circulatory system doesn't have access to as examples. Quite common in the feet when there has been damage of any sort as circulation within the hoof capsule is quite limited. Many times, the material has sat there for a long time unknown and dormant until changes in mechanics and/or movement put pressure on it and get it moving.

High sugar feed doesn't cause an abscess although it could cause insulin spikes in an IR/PPID horse that damage laminar connections and the resulting damage results in an abscess forming. Changes in weather/footing can also mobilize trapped "stuff" because they result in the hoof mechanics changing to adapt to the different footing. Compromised feet may also be more susceptible to outside pathogens gaining a foothold when footing becomes wet as this softens the connections that are already tenuos and immerses them in a "bacterial soup".

Adding Purina Senior to an IR horse's diet is unwise and could lead to Jesse developing serious health issues so it would be recommended that you phase that out asap.

Amazing what a balanced diet and good control of underlying medical conditions can do for healing

Lavinia, Dante, George Too and Peanut
Jan 05, RI
EC Support Team


Jiaogulan , APF, Prascend

Dawn Wagstaff
 

Hi all,
My vet was out this morning to pull ACTH, insulin and glucose for my 20 year old stallion. As soon as I get results back, I'll get a case file. up. 

Stallion this morning has some modest heat in feet and mild pulses. My vet, after reviewing current feed (no packaged feed, timothy pellets with U balance) and on how this stallion is presenting with fat pads, laminitis, eye socket fat, etc. recommended starting on Prascend and adjusting depending on lab results. 

Testing will be done at Michigan State. My vet has a meeting there this afternoon so he was driving directly home to his office, will spin and process the sample, then was driving it directly to MSU and delivering it to the lab. It seemed ridiculous to ask him instead to send it via courier to Cornell. 

He said he has had very good results with using Prascend, so I will start with that. He is willing to write a script for either compound or Prascend, will see where this goes.

My question is the following. This stallion is currently receiving 1/1/2 teaspoons of Jiaogulan per day split into two doses. It is both for his feet and for his RAO. Vet left a bottle of Ventipulmin should he have another episode of heaves. No more Dex as you can imagine.

Should I discontinue the J herb and switch to APF during the transitioning on to Prascend? 

Dawn Wagstaff
Saline, MI  2003


Re: small abscess RF

lj friedman
 

I forgot to dd we/ve had a few days of rain in san diego 


small abscess RF

lj friedman
 

Jesse had a small abscess fixed from the farrier today.  ( last trim was feb 01) I dont even know what causes  abscesses.  Can some hi sugar feed like purina eq sr cause an abscess ? Bec of Jesse having 14 teeth removed, the bo suggested adding a bit of purina eq sr to stimulate his appetite. Surgery was feb 11 so I'm just being foolish by continuing the purina eq sr. Interestingly enough,. the dental vet said he's never seen such good healing after this procedure   Jesse is  25, cushings  and IR.. lj friedman san diego n0v 2014


Re: CONFUSED and would really like to get some advice

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Thanks, Karen.

Lavinia, Dante, George Too and Peanut
Jan 05, RI
EC Support Team

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ECHistory8

 



Re: Ford: New X-rays

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Hi Fran,

I've added mark-ups to Ford's album:

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory8/photos/albums/1214900120

Overall, there's been good progress made in getting the huge flares under control and the toes and heels backed into better positions. The orientation of the coffin bone is not quite as flat as it was due to the heels being moved into a more supportive position under the bony column. Soles are still thin, toes still too far out in front which are interfering with the efforts to gain more sole depth. It looks like the medial-lateral balance on the LF may have been a tad off, with the medial side a bit taller. Know that you had recently introduced pea gravel - the positive effects can be seen in the way the soles are exfoliating and there is generally more definition to the underside. This in turn is highlighting just how over-exuberant those bars still are.

LF lateral xray: The two yellow lines denote some sinking that is present - (1) is the coronary band and (2) is the extensor process. These two points should align or at least be close together. The distance between them denotes that there is some distal descent, so the bony column is sitting deeper inside the hoof capsule than is optimal. Blue line is the bony column alignment - note how the axis slightly broken back. The sinking and out-of-position heels are both contributing factors. Purple is where the CB wants/needs to break over in motion. Green is where the toe needs to come back to and get a strong bevel. RF is generally the same but med-lat balance appears ok.

LF lateral: Green line highlights that the toe is still a tad too far out in front.

RF sole: Got into the big box of crayolas here - hope it isn't too confusing. Green is where the entire hoof capsule needs to come in to - toes back, separating walls in. The built-up, crumbling sole at the toe, which covers the white line, is a RED FLAG that the toe is still too long. Yellow is where the heel buttresses need to be, just a bit further back than they currently reside. Blue circles are where the wall-bar juncture appears to be. Follow the blue arrows to see where it actually is, at the yellow "V" adjacent to the buttresses. Need to concentrate on gently opening this area up by removing the overgrown bar material that is crowding everything else and pushing all the structures to the outside. Purple is the overgrown bars that are leaning and pooling and making a general nuisance of themselves. Exfoliate the cracking, peeling material, esp on the top leading edge of those bars, to gain control of them over time. This will encourage them to stand straighter, allowing the heels to remain upright and centered under the bony column where they belong. Red is the true tip of the frog.

As I said before, there have been a lot of the right things happening. Many times it's the final stages, when things start getting close, that make feet pros get jittery cuz in their heart of hearts there is still that little voice that does the Mr. Bill "Oohh, Nooo!" thing. The knee-jerk reaction is to think you can't possibly back that toe anymore unless there is going to be a shoe added. Trouble is, shoes are only a band-aid when applied to a less-than-perfect trim as they will magnify the negative aspects while temporarily masking the detrimental effects. That's not to say that at times, a well-placed composite shoe cannot be a helpful bridge for a horse in need of that extra bit of support and comfort. Just that it cannot replace the necessary correct trim basics.

Lavinia, Dante, George Too and Peanut
Jan 05, RI
EC Support Team

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Re: ECIR Ed and Outreach Vid Committee needs your help

janieclougher@...
 

Oh, shoot!  Thank you, Ferne!  Joan, please go to http://ecirhorse.org/   for information.





Re: ECIR Ed and Outreach Vid Committee needs your help

ferne fedeli
 

Jaini, noticed that you had left out the "c" in ecirhorse.org...

On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 9:39 AM, janieclougher@... [EquineCushings] <EquineCushings@...> wrote:
 

Argh! Joan, I am so sorry about this!  Yahoo groups can be ..... difficult.... to deal with sometimes.  Please can you give it another try, and then post about what error messages and so on you are getting.  Sometimes it makes a difference which browser you are using. In the meantime, the website eirhorse.org has a ton of information, similar to what you will see in the files, and there is no need to join or to open anything - it is all right there.


If you are not too frustrated by all of this, you can send an email to Jannalee and work out how to send us some pictures or videos:

Please contact committee chair, Jannalee Smithey:  jsmithey “at” jeffnet “dot” org for more info about  pics, videos and potential volunteer positions for this project.

Thanks!




---In EquineCushings@..., <flynfoal@...> wrote :

I would love to send you photos or videos of my horses, and what we have overcome.
Unfortunately, I have never been able to open files and read information.
Joan Carston




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Re: new to the group

Maggie
 

Hi Kathy,

Prascend is the brand name of pergolide.  Many of us use the encapsulated form of pergolide available from compounding pharmacies.  It much more economical, especially when higher doses are needed.  Here is a list of compounding pharmacies if you are interested:  https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EquineCushings/links/all/Compounding_Pharmacies  If you do change to the compounded form, we recommend ordering only 30 days at a time and storing it in the door of the refrigerator.

I looked at the Prince Regency Senior feed and it contains a whopping 22.8% starch!  Starch is worse than sugar for causing an insulin spike as it converts 100% to glucose whereas sugar converts only 50% to glucose.  It also contains a minimum of 7% fat, could be more.  We want to stay less than or equal to about 4% fat.  Also the fat that is listed in the guaranteed analysis is vegetable fat, which has more Omega 6 fatty acids than Omega 3's.  We like ground flax seed for adding fat as the Omega3:6 ratio is about the same as grass, ~4:1.

Beet pulp is a great way to help put weight on a PPID/IR horse.  You can feed up to about 30% of your donkey's diet in BP.  It's really important to get your donkey a properly mineral balanced diet.  There are special requirements if you increase the BP to more than just enough to use as a carrier for supplements.  Here's a list of people who can help you with diet balancing (first file in this folder):  https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EquineCushings/files/7%20Help%20with%20Mineral%20Balancing/   Sorry if I missed it, but is your donkey still able to eat hay?

It's good that you are rinsing it and soaking it the BP.  We recommend that you add one more rinse after soaking.  First rinse should be until clear, then soak and rinse again until the water runs clear.  I googled beet pulp in northern Wisconsin and found this:  http://www.labudde.com/ingredients/premium-beet-pulp-shreds/  They have several forms of BP.  Look at: Where to Buy LaBudde Premium Shreds: Maybe one of those places is located near you and you could call and see if they have the non-molasses kind?  

Are you using the Ontario Dehy Timothy Balance cubes with the lavender label?  Or their regular Timothy cubes?  The Timothy Balance cubes are balanced according to Dr Kellon's specifications and can actually be used as a complete diet.  You would only need to add salt, Vitamin E and ground flax seed.  If your donkey has trouble chewing they can easily be soaked in warm water.  Add only enough warm water to fluff them.  You don't want to pour off any water as you would loose the balancing minerals.

Please sign each time you post with your name (first is fine), date of joining and general location.  See my signature below for an example.  And please take a second to delete the message that you are responding to.  It really helps to keep the reams of repeat information from piling up and makes searching the archives easier.  Thanks!

Maggie, Chancey and Spiral in VA


Re: new to the group

Kathy Billek
 

Jan
Radar is not on Peroglide but on Perscend should he be on peroglide? what is the difference  I will ask the vet for the lab tests they were send to Mich tech for processing.
current feed is 2 cups of Prince Regency Senior Feed.   Ohiodehy timothy hay cubes with beet pulp soaked and beet pulp since I am not able to get without molasses I rinse it and then soak it.


On Sunday, March 6, 2016 10:20 PM, "janieclougher@... [EquineCushings]" wrote:


 
Hi, Kathy, and welcome to the list!
First things first: what senior feed is your donkey on?  Most bagged senior feeds are way too high in starch, and will make any issues worse. Many, if not most, donkeys are insulin resistant, and need feed of less than 10% ESC plus starch.
One way to help combat the "Pergolide Veil" is to start out at a low dose of 0.25 mg daily, and increase by 0.25 mg every 3 or 4 days. In your case, I think adding APF or APF Pro could help a lot.  
I will confess, the lack of appetite occurring a couple of weeks after using pergolide is not the usual thing: normally, if there is going to be a Pergolide Veil, it is apparent almost immediately, or within the first week.  Donkeys, however, are very special, and so I cannot say for certainty that this is not the donkey version of the Veil.
Another consideration is the initial diagnosis, because donkeys appear to differ from horses in their baseline ACTH (as well as so many other things). Please could you post the lab results here; and then go to EC History 8 and fill out a case history?  I will send you an invitation. Instructions on how to do it are in the Files section.

The list philosophy is Diagnosis, Diet, Trim and Exercise.

Diagnosis is  by blood tests: blood should be pulled from a non-fasting horse (or pony) in a quiet barn; blood spun, separated, and frozen or chilled asap, then sent to the lab at Cornell on ice. Ask for insulin, glucose, leptin and ACTH.
More information here:


and here:


Diet is supremely important, in some ways more for what is not fed: no pasture, sweet feeds, oats/grain, carrots, apples, iron-containing supplements.  Diet consists of grass hay or haylage, with ESC (soluble sugars) and starch of less than 10%, plus minerals balanced to the forage, plus vitamin E, salt, and flaxseed or flaxseed oil.  One can use a carrier of beet pulp (rinsed, soaked, and rinsed) as a safe feed to get the supplements in.   The Temporary Emergency Diet uses hay soaked for 1 hour in cold water, or 30 minutes in hot water, with the water drained where the horses can't get at it; plus vitamin E, salt, and ground flaxseed in a safe carrier such as beet pulp (rinsed, soaked, rinsed). Kathy, if you read my post to Janet, I mention a way to soak hay in a sub-freezing environment, and give some links to hay-soaking tips.  More info on Temporary Emergency Diet here:


Trim:  This is a trim physiologically balanced to the internal shape of the coffin bone, with short toe and low heels.  Trim is often a neglected or mis-understood piece of the puzzle. The wrong trim can retard healing, and even cause further tearing of the fragile laminae. The wrong trim will certainly contribute to continued pain. Donkeys can be tough, as so many people trim them to the "tin-can" model. They need the right trim as well, just modified slightly (and the key word here is "slightly") to the donkey anatomy.

Exercise: This is the best EMS buster there is, but only if the pony/horse is comfortable and non-laminitic.  A horse that has suffered laminitis needs a good 6 to 9 months of correct hoof re-growth before any kind of serious exercise can begin.

There is also a ton of good information on the ecirhorse.org website.

Give us a little more information; ask any and all questions

Jaini (BVSc),Merlin,Maggie,Gypsy
BC 09
ECIR mod/support
 


---In EquineCushings@..., wrote :

Hi  everyone.   I have a 32-36 year old donkey who was diagnosed with Cushings about 6 months ago........



Re: CONFUSED and would really like to get some advice

Karen Turek
 

I've updated the album Karen and Java with photos from Java's hind feet.  
Thanks again for all the help!

Karen and Java
Jan 2016 Colorado
ECHistory8

 



Re: Jiaogulan induced abcessing?

 

You're very welcome, Dawn. I'm glad I could offer a new and potential clue, in any case.

I would've never thought to have checked the starch levels in the TC Lite, given its name; that was before I really understood the vagaries of sugars and starches, too. 

Two other people and I must've been dreaming the same dream, as we all woke up one morning and decided to send off samples, unbeknownst to each other. When those numbers came back, we nearly fell over.

They will love the TC 30, guaranteed--just like the sugar and starch. Hopefully, you won't have to make that long drive to get it.

Jannalee

Jannalee Smithey, EDO, ESMT
http://www.nolaminitis.org/
http://www.ecirhorse.com
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