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Re: where can I find #36903

Maggie
 

Hi Sandie,

You can look at posts by number by entering the message # in the "msg #" search box--upper right side of the messages page.  I looked at post #36903 and it refers to beet pulp, not MSM.  Maybe you wrote the wrong number down?  Anyway, to learn how to do a search look in the wiki here:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/wiki/How-to-Search-the-Archives 

I did a search for MSM for you and found the messages in the link below.  Here's how I did it. I searched in the messages search box (the one at the top with the little magnifying glass).  Click on the magnifying glass to bring up a box to type in.  I first searched for "Kellon"  (with the quotation marks), and once I found a post by Dr Kellon, I opened it up.  Once the message is open, at the bottom of the message click on "more" and then "all posts by this member".  That will bring up a list of all of Dr Kellon's posts.  Once you do that, you will now see in the search box the "poster id#" in the box.  Dr Kellon's is 58231.  Now add +MSM to the box and tada!  you get the list of messages by Dr Kellon on MSM!  Here it is:


Practice some more on other topics you that might interest you.  I saw you also posted on soft manure.  You might want to try it with "loose manure" or "soft stool" or "ivermectin" (using Dr Kellon, or Jaini, or one of the other senior mods as the poster)  To get you started, here's a list of all the posts by Dr Kellon using the word "ivermectic" with her as the poster.


Hope that helps!

Maggie, Chancey and Spiral in VA 
March 2011
EC moderator/Primary Response
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where can I find #36903

sandie harries
 

I find it frustrating trying to find info and I find something great making refernce to a link that no longer exist or can't find :0(

trying to find above message on MSM use.


cheers

Sandie g harries

member since july 2015

victoria,australia


soft manure with cushing IR pony, should I worm again???

sandie harries
 

Hi guys.

My pony has had loose manure but not diarhea for some time now! I just don't know what else to do. There is formed stool but she keeps getting stained legs from the aftermath :0(

She was wormed in september with a 5 days panacur course since I don't want to use any praziqantel dewormer.

I've had her on a month of pre/pro biotic mix that Carol Layton makes.

I have now started her on 1 tb spoon of brewers yeast thinking that maybe her vit B are depleted a bit.

I was thinking that maybe its a worming thing since the 5 day panacur course, so I'm thinking about worming her again with an ivermectin (equimec), but just want to ask first.


Sandie G Harries

member since July 2015

Victoria, Australia




Seeking advice about lowering dosage after seasonal rise

Claudia Goodman
 

Silhouette (25 year Morgan mare) has been on 9 mg/day pergolide capsules. She typically is done with seasonal rise in late January.

Yesterday's blood draw for ACTH tested at 19 pg/ml. I usually aim for an ACTH level in mid-20s, so am leaning towards lowering dosage to 8 mg, which I'd expect to increase her ACTH a few units, but would likely keep her within our goal.

Before I order next month's pergolide, I'm hoping to learn whether it is thought more beneficial to keep her below 20 at her "seasonal high" dose rather than lowering it post season. She "appears" asymptomatic even with ACTH into high-20s. 

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Claudia & Silhouette  02/2014

California Central Coast 

Silhouette Case History


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I'm ready to ride again

 

Elsa is feeling great - running around, bucking and kicking.  The hoof has a little over 1/2 inch of the old stuff to grow out but she sure is acting sound.  We had been ponying her for about 1 hour in November.  December was a write off with me in Ontario dealing with a family emergency and death.  So I'm ready to ride at a walk with boots on in soft sandy footing.  I keep thinking that exercise is the best IR buster......any harm in trying?  Diet is tight, her weight is back up a bit (she got too thin) but good.  Her original attack was April 12th.
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Sharon P, Elsa  April 2016

Courtenay, BC Canada

Elsa, Case History, Photo Album

 





Re: ODTC Timothy Cubes vs. Triple Crown Timothy Cubes

Paula Hancock
 

On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 05:21 pm, YHTI wrote:
if the Triple Crown Natural Balance Timothy Cubes are the same as the old Ontario Dehydrated Timothy Cubes?

 Hi Linda,

Yes, they are the same.
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Paula with Cory (IR) and Onyx (IR/PPID)

Bucks County, PA, USA

ECIR Primary Response

NRCplus 2011  ECIR 2014 

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Paula%20and%20Cory

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=1624

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Paula%20and%20Onyx




Re: Splash Lab results

Paula Hancock
 

On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 06:00 am, k frog wrote:
I am planning to send a new hay sample in for testing, both dry and soaked. I inquired at EA about preparing the soaked hay for them and they suggested soaking it as I do, then drying it 'for awhile' before packing it up to send to them. Do you know what 'awhile' might mean? I have a food dehydrator I could use, or do they just mean 'not dripping wet'?

 Hi Karen,

Your best bet is to spread the hay out and let the it air dry until it seems as dry as your unsoaked hay.  Humidity and air temperature will affect the amount of time.  You don't need a big sample, just a good handful.  Don't ship it wet as it might start to ferment if stored in a warm place, which could actually lower the sugar level before you get it tested. (Those little microbes use sugar in the fermentation process...)  I wouldn't add heat but you could use a fan to move the air around it to speed the drying. I let mine sit for a couple days.  

It sounds like your soaking process is fine and you made good use of the old grate!  When I need to soak hay, I soak all the hay I need for the day, about 7 or 8 lbs in  each of three 15 gallon tubs, dump all of them, let them drain until I need them.  I like to soak one meal ahead if I can, so I don't have to make Cory wait.

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Paula with Cory (IR) and Onyx (IR/PPID)

Bucks County, PA, USA

ECIR Primary Response

NRCplus 2011  ECIR 2014 

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Paula%20and%20Cory

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=1624

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Paula%20and%20Onyx




ODTC Timothy Cubes vs. Triple Crown Timothy Cubes

YHTI
 


This may have been asked before, but can anyone tell me if the Triple Crown Natural Balance Timothy Cubes are the same as the old Ontario Dehydrated Timothy Cubes?

My local feed store has switched over and I'm concerned.
Linda Vishino and Ranger_._,_._,_


Re: nutrition for Cushings/IR

Lorna Cane
 

Monti, I'm not sure why you want to use the wafers.

But for me,the APF liquid is uncomplicated, and does a good job.



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Lorna in Eastern Ontario, Canada
ECIR Moderator 2002




Re: nutrition for Cushings/IR

jakehorse10
 

The APF wafer has SmartWafer Ingredients: Whole wheat, corn, barley, triticale, millet, rye, wheat bran, flax seed, alfalfa seed, dulse (a bottom growing sea vegetable), unsulfured and blackstrap molasses, filtered water.-- plus vitamin E, biotin, potassium, calcium, iron, phosphorus, zinc, magnesium and so on, so I would guess the wafer is not a good idea.
Monti/Jake in Mich 2010

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Monti%20and%20Jake


APF, Cushings/IR

jakehorse10
 

Is APF, and APF wafers, ok for suspected Cushings horse just started on pergolide? I think I read that it is recommended for the pergolide veil? I notice the wafer have ingredients which may not be good for an IR horse. Is there something more recommended?
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Monti/Jake in Mich 2010

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Monti%20and%20Jake


Re: Hank cushings

Jade
 


Re: compounding pharmacy

 

I have used Pet Health for years and have had excellent results. Linda In Southern Illinois 2002


Re: Hank cushings

 

Hi, Jade - Yes, including the insulin and glucose in the blood tests will help you to know how strict to be with the diet; ie, do you need to pull him off the pasture. For now, treat him exactly as you treat any IR horse, until insulin and glucose numbers say otherwise. When starting on pergolide, taper the dose up at .25 mg every 3- 4 days, to avoid the "Pergolide Veil", a transient condition of lethargy and reduced appetite. Check out the Pergolide 101 document for lots of good info about pergolide:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/files/3%20Cushings%20Disease%20-%20PPID/Cushings%20Disease%20Treatments/Pergolide  


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Merlin (over the bridge) ,Maggie,Gypsy, Ranger

BC 09
ECIR mod/support

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jaini%20and%20Merlin-Maggie-Gypsy


 


Re: Splash Lab results

k frog
 

Hi Paula,

 Thank you for your comments. 

 In regards to my soaking method, I soak the hay in a 27gallon tub. I put the hay net in the tub, place a bucket full of water for weight on the hay, and fill the tub until the hay is submerged, probably 10-12 gallons. I soak for a minimum of one hour, sometimes up to two. I pull the hay net out of the water and set it on a metal grate (that used to be in my slow feeder box until I noticed it was wearing grooves in my horses teeth) raised up off the ground to drain. On days I work and time is limited, I drain about 15min, it seems to have stopped dripping. This is 3 days a week. The other days of the week, the hay drains at least 30 minutes.

 In regards to grass or unauthorized treats, the closest thing to that would be the handful of dry, unsoaked hay I give her to keep her satisfied while she watches me prepare her upcoming meal. I am changing this by splitting her beet pulp supplement feeding to twice daily, instead of once daily, so I can give her this safe choice. On days I don't work I am able to feed her multiple times a day, on days I work, I have to feed twice daily.

I am planning to send a new hay sample in for testing, both dry and soaked. I inquired at EA about preparing the soaked hay for them and they suggested soaking it as I do, then drying it 'for awhile' before packing it up to send to them. Do you know what 'awhile' might mean? I have a food dehydrator I could use, or do they just mean 'not dripping wet'?

Thank you for the direct link to the exercise recommendation. It is well written and clear that Splash isn't quite there yet, but a great guideline.

Thank you again Paula
--
Karen F

October 2013

Molalla, Oregon

Case History for Splash: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Karen%20and%20Splash

Photo Album for Splash: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=1994











Wiki Updated #Wiki

LeeAnne Bloye <ecir.archives@...>
 

The Wiki now has a link to a page that member's can click to view a listing of the ECIR subgroups.  The list is sorted into subgroups a member has joined and groups the member can join.  This page can also be accessed via the Subgroups button in the navigation bar.   

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- ​LeeAnne, Newmarket, Ontario - Email me (If link doesn't work use ECIR.Archives at gmail dot com)
Dawn's 10 Year Case History
Taken For Granite Art - Lightweight Cement Sculpture and Memorials

ECIR Archivist March,2004

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View the Database Stats


ECIR Group - Equine Cushings and Insulin Resistance - Timeline Photos #FACTS

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Timeline Photos

By ECIR Group - Equine Cushings and Insulin Resistance

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Re: Updated Tena and Felix files uploaded for feedback

LeeAnne Bloye <ecir.archives@...>
 

Hi Tena,

I took a quick peek at your folder and did a little cleaning up.  You had made several subfolders so I moved Felix's case history to the right folder and put in the subfolders for blood work and hay analysis (should you ever need them). 

Unfortunately, this means the link to your case history has changed:

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Tena%20and%20Felix .

You will need to change your link in your signature for it to work properly again.  


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- ​LeeAnne, Newmarket, Ontario - Email me (If link doesn't work use ECIR.Archives at gmail dot com)
Dawn's 10 Year Case History
Taken For Granite Art - Lightweight Cement Sculpture and Memorials

ECIR Archivist March,2004

Are you in the Pergolide Dosage Database?

View the Database Stats


Re: Signature test

LeeAnne Bloye <ecir.archives@...>
 

Yay Beth!  

It works just fine.  Your case history is loaded now all you need to do is upload your photos.  It gets a little tricky but you have the link so you know where to put them.  We just need them named a certain way so they are presented in order and aren't a random bunch of hoof pictures. Directions on exactly how to name them are in the page that is linked to above.  If you haven't taken pictures yet use the directions of how to take good photos (on that same page).  

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- ​LeeAnne, Newmarket, Ontario - Email me (If link doesn't work use ECIR.Archives at gmail dot com)
Dawn's 10 Year Case History
Taken For Granite Art - Lightweight Cement Sculpture and Memorials

ECIR Archivist March,2004

Are you in the Pergolide Dosage Database?

View the Database Stats

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