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cold induced laminitis

jakehorse10
 

Hi, if a horse has first 15 minute exercise session after many months, on a warm day, then temp drops (50 degrees to 30 degrees) can this be a potential trigger for laminitis? Horse is IR/undiagnosed PPID. I know the PPID was likely a trigger, as was cold. Question is if the horse's legs/hooves get warm from exercise, then put in stall/turnout and temperature drops could this also be a trigger to watch for?
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Monti/Jake in Mich 2010

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Monti%20and%20Jake
Re: Stable 1 Sale

ritahilt_rvt
 

Sharon
I do have a friend who lives in Springfield, TN (maybe not quite East TN) and they travel down to Texas occasionally for cattle/cutting shows. They just left last weekend in fact.

I'm seriously wondering if they'd be able to help out. I would be willing to be the middle man and try to put you in touch with them. My email is rita@... if we need to try this off the group to not clog it up.

So sorry for your loss. I lost my girl last August, but still hang out to keep up on information (just in case).

Rita Lockridge
< >< >
No one is in charge of your happiness but you.

On Feb 15, 2017, at 9:02 AM, Sharon Manning <partnernaturally@...> wrote:

Hi there, I understand your frustration. I did not find tractor supply easy to deal with at all. I finally got the feed by buying a whole pallet AND paying shipping. Then when I got it they told me they would not do it again. So again frustrated as I would have to eventually transition my mare off it and back to something else...
Anyway she has passed. I now have a store room full.
Shipping is pretty steep. I don't think it would be cost effective.
I wish I could help you I hate for it to sit here when someone else needs it...anybody traveling from Tennessee to Texas? Lol
Sharon
E TN

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Please forgive any errors

Re: Question About Stabul 1

gypsylassie
 

Weren't there several messages back and forth about this last year?  I can't remember the details, but I think it ended up with the middlings being ok.
Laura K Chappie and Beau
N IL 2011

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Re: ECIRhorse.org - New Website Announcement 2017

Nancy C
 

PS....We may have to move this to EC Hoof, but when we do, lets start with how do you define hoof mechanism?
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Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
Learn the facts about IR, PPID, equine nutrition, exercise and the foot.
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Re: ECIRhorse.org - New Website Announcement 2017

Nancy C
 

NO. Cass.  This is correct as proofed by Dr Kellon.

Discussion?


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Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
Learn the facts about IR, PPID, equine nutrition, exercise and the foot.
www.ECIRhorse.org
Check out the FACTS on Facebook
https://www.facebook.com/ECIRGroup
Support the ECIR Group Inc., the nonprofit arm of the ECIR Group
ecirhorse.org
Re: Stable 1 Sale

Sharon Manning
 

Hi there, I understand your frustration. I did not find tractor supply easy to deal with at all. I finally got the feed by buying a whole pallet AND paying shipping. Then when I got it they told me they would not do it again. So again frustrated as I would have to eventually transition my mare off it and back to something else...
Anyway she has passed. I now have a store room full.
Shipping is pretty steep. I don't think it would be cost effective.
I wish I could help you I hate for it to sit here when someone else needs it...anybody traveling from Tennessee to Texas? Lol
Sharon
E TN

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Please forgive any errors
ECIR Group - Equine Cushings and Insulin Resistance - Equine Cushings & Insulin Resistance Group #FACTS

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Equine Cushings & Insulin Resistance Group

By ECIR Group - Equine Cushings and Insulin Resistance

We are pleased to announce the launch of our newly-modified website! The new ecirhorse.org illustrates in detail all the signs, symptoms, and physiology of Pituitary Pars Intermedia Dysfunction (PPID) and Insulin Resistance (IR). There you will also find detailed information on various testing procedures and treatment, as well as background as to why certain tests are recommended. At the top of the page is a panic button so that people whose horses are in crisis can go directly to our free outreach group for individual help.

For equine professionals and for owners wishing to learn all they can, complete supporting studies and back-up data are available to be shared. Proceedings from the 2013 and 2015 NO Laminitis! Conferences may be downloaded for free. Case Chronicles and Reports from the Field point to the effect the ECIR Group and the hard work of equine caregivers can have on individual cases, and out new film shows what is possible.

Whether using the info yourself, or sending to vets, hoof pros, or horse owners, we know you'll be able to make good use of ecirhorse.org

Dr. Kellon - non obvious infection

bethc@...
 

Dr. Kellon, first, thank you for your valuable response. Other than the goopy eyes and being swollen above the eyes, there are no signs of infection including teeth which were done in December of 2016. I am open to your suggestion and where do I look for a non-obvious infection and what are the possibilities?
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https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=3665

Beth and Nosey

Moorefield, WV
Jan 2017
Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Beth%20and%20Nosey .
Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=3677 
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Re: Now: Case History Review for Becky and April

Becky Ferry
 

HI

Thank you Lavinia. 

I have added some more photos from last year, showing her beautiful feet before she was injured & everything snowballed. Also some better pics of her in general over last year. 

I have a new hoof professional coming tomorrow, he is a farrier but having had a long conversation with him I think he is really hot on the horse as a whole, not just the feet as many of them are, so feeling positive. 

She is really bright at the moment & is eating her new Jherb as I have introduced it over a few days so hopefully that will support her trim. I have pads & boots ready for her too. 

Thank you for all your help, 

 Becky

2010 UK NRC

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=3922
Re: Cresty neck caused by stress

Priscilla Cuming
 

Thank you to everyone for their valuable input, I have read all your responses very carefully and taken on board all the information. Absolutely fascinating!


Jaini, your response is really interesting and nails the answer to my question regarding stress and cortisol.


The pony has just had a comprehensive diet analysis done by Carol Layton which included sending hay to EquiAnalytical. She has recommended a diet balanced by minerals including her Laminitis Mix, DCP and Monosodium Phosphate.

I will relay all this information to the owner and recommend testing for IR. 
Re: Question About Stabul 1

Jaini Clougher
 

Hi, LIndsey - good catch. I found on the EquiAnalytical website that wheat middlings have an average starch of 23.6%, which is way, way too high for us. There is no breakdown of ESC and starch in the analysis on the Stabul 1 website:  http://stabul1.com/stabul-1/  I will email Randy and ask what the scoop is. 


Jaini Clougher (BSc,BVSc)

Merlin (over the bridge) ,Maggie,Gypsy, Ranger

BC 09
ECIR mod/support

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jaini%20and%20Merlin-Maggie-Gypsy
Re: ECIRhorse.org - New Website Announcement 2017

Jaini Clougher
 

What Nancy said. Great work, past and present - and very nice new site!

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Jaini Clougher (BSc,BVSc)

Merlin (over the bridge) ,Maggie,Gypsy, Ranger

BC 09
ECIR mod/support

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jaini%20and%20Merlin-Maggie-Gypsy
Re: ECIRhorse.org - New Website Announcement 2017

Jaini Clougher
 

Ermagard! Thank you, Cass - lots of proof-reading was done, but that was missed. 

Nanc - it is on the trim page  https://ecirhorse.com/DDT+E-trim.php  ,second paragraph from the end, just above "To Shoe or Not to Shoe".

Thanks again, Cass.

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Jaini Clougher (BSc,BVSc)

Merlin (over the bridge) ,Maggie,Gypsy, Ranger

BC 09
ECIR mod/support

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jaini%20and%20Merlin-Maggie-Gypsy
Re: Cresty neck caused by stress

Jaini Clougher
 

Hi, Priscilla - There are a number of our members who have found that flighty, spooky behaviour can be exacerbated (or even caused) by high insulin; and by dietary imbalances (specifically, an out-of-whack calcium:magnesium ratio). The crest is not a result of "stress". The crest is due to some endocrinopathic hiccup, such as insulin resistance.  Just a couple of anecdotes from my crew: Maggie had constant chiro adjustments for back pain, which never held, because her back pain was actually due to chronic low-level laminitis and low-level foot pain. (her back muscles were trying to compensate for that, just like humans due with joint pain elsewhere). Once her diet was in place, the back pain went away. Second: we have high calcium in our water. I had balanced the calcium/magnesium/phosphorus according to our hay analysis. Of our four horses: the two geldings showed no particular issues. One mare was always flighty (so didn't think much of that). One day Maggie got muscle tremors. (one sign of magnesium deficiency/imbalance). The penny dropped, and I increased magnesium to balance the calcium in our water, as well as in the hay. The flighty mare has become much, much more easy-going; Maggie has had no more muscle tremors. The geldings did not change in demeanor at all. 

So.... best to go right back to the Diagnosis, Diet, Trim and Excercise.  If this nice pony is IR (blood tests, as outlined by Maggie's excellent advice); and/or PPID, that needs to be addressed. The IR diet of ESC +starch below 10% needs also to have the minerals (especially magnesium) balanced to the forage. And,  because of leptin resistance in many of these equids, feeding from a round bale may not be the best scenario. Weighed amounts of hay in slow-feeder nets would be more beneficial.  For exercise, hand walking, or working at liberty in an arena (outdoor or indoor) while she is still flighty would be the way to go. Straight lines, wide turns, no circles and no lunging. (and make sure the handlers stay safe). It must be very frustrating for this horse-experienced family to be dealing with a flighty, unpredictable mare; it is more than likely that high insulin and dietary imbalances are the issue, not the handling.

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Jaini Clougher (BSc,BVSc)

Merlin (over the bridge) ,Maggie,Gypsy, Ranger

BC 09
ECIR mod/support

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jaini%20and%20Merlin-Maggie-Gypsy
Message Posting Etiquette - Keeping ECIR User Friendly, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 #cal-notice

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Message Posting Etiquette - Keeping ECIR User Friendly

When:
Wednesday, 15 February 2017

Description:

This is a high volume list that can be difficult to follow. Help make it easier for everyone by following the Message Posting Guidelines below:
 
1) READ the Start Here Documents.  Unless you are in an emergency situation, before posting in the messages, please read the documents you were sent upon joining.  They are designed to speed you through the set up process so we can help you help your equine in the most efficient way possible. 
2) Check the Wiki for "How To" Pages (and more).  The ECIR has lots of information and finding your way around can be tricky. The Wiki is the place to start. 
3) Sign your posts. This is a very large group.  Whenever posting a message, identify yourself and your equine by using your full ECIR Signature with your first name, location, the date you joined and the link to your Case History folder and Photo Album. The volunteers need all this information to provide quality responses and perhaps suggestions for local support, vendors, vets, hoof care, etc. Go here for directions on how to make and save your ECIR Signature
 
4) Be clear in your posts. If you need to quote a line from a message: BEFORE you hit the Reply button highlight the text you want quoted, then hit Reply.  The highlighted portion will appear as quote in your message. 
 
5)  Try not to hijack threads.  Start a New Message to discuss issues not covered by the subject line.    
 
6) Don't immediately re-post.  Give “missing” posts a few hours before reposting. For unanswered messages, be patient, a lack of response is not personal or a reflection on you in any way. With so many posts some do get missed. Unless in an emergency situation, wait roughly 48 hours before re-posting and edit the subject line with "2nd Post". 
 
7) Off-topic but horse-related discussions: ECHorsekeeping provides a place to discuss issues involving non-PPID/IR horses, general horse keeping practices, other equine health issues, alternative therapies and other equine related philosophical debates.

 
Thank you for your cooperation.
 
- Owners, Moderators & Primary Response Team of the Equine Cushings List
Re: ECIRhorse.org - New Website Announcement 2017

Cass in NorCal
 

Hi, Nancy. 
I found a typo in the website on this page: https://ecirhorse.com/DDT+E-trim.php


I’m pretty sure the sentence should read: 

"An equally important part of treating laminitic feet is to encourage full hoof mechanism…..”

HTH,
Cass

On Feb 14, 2017, at 1:42 PM, Nancy C <threecatfarm@...> wrote:

In 2008, the ECIR Group was approaching its 10th anniversary. Prior to that, many discussions had taken place focusing on how to make ECIR protocol information more available to equine caregivers and the professionals who work with them. From these weeks-long discussions, Dr. Kellon and Senior Member Amberlee devoted many, many hours to the creation of the ECIR Group website.

The site, ecirhorse.com, was unveiled in October of 2009. In the original announcement, Amberlee noted: “This is really to help all the new members just coming on board and all the old members seeking new information. It's about providing organized access to information. It’s a place for people to send vets that doesn't require joining anything. I wanted information that was simple enough for the new member who needs to breathe deeply and be armed with enough information to clearly interact with their local professionals.”

In 2011, Senior Member Patti launched our sister conference site, nolaminitis.org and, through that site, devoted countless hours to the success of both the 2011 and 2013 conferences.

In ensuing years, articles by Dr. Kellon, Linda, Lavinia, and LeeAnne were contributed. Amberlee devoted many, many volunteer hours as webmaster, as did Patti.

Because of this original work and the hours of work that continued over the years from these committed volunteers, ecirhrose.org garners an average of 17,000 unique visits per month.  That is an important figure.


http://blog.agilitycms.com/content-managers/what-s-more-important-page-views-or-unique-visitors

The new website being launched today has had over 100 pages reviewed and re-written with updated info. The Success Stories, now renamed Case Chronicles, have all been updated. Over 50 photos and images — the majority, ECIR Group member horses — have been used to illustrate what is possible. The ECIR Group Inc. NO Laminitis! Film is up front and center.

Most importantly, and as always, ecirhorse.org explains in detail all the signs, symptoms, and physiology of Pituitary Pars Intermedia Dysfunction (PPID) and Insulin Resistance (IR); detailed information is presented on various testing procedures and treatment, as well as background as to why they are recommended.

For equine professionals and for owners wishing to learn all they can, detailed supporting studies and back-up data are available to be shared. Proceedings from the 2013 and 2015 NO Laminitis! Conferences may be downloaded for free. Case Chronicles and Reports from the Field point to the effect the ECIR Group and the hard work of equine caregivers can have on individual cases.

The new site has been eight months in the making. Many thanks to web designer, Sullivan+Wolf Design, LLC. Special thanks to Jannalee, who has done extraordinary editing work. Thanks to ECIR Directors, Senior Members, and our wonderful Response Team who continue to provide input.  

Whether using the info yourself, or sending to your vets, your hoof pros, or your horse owners, make good use of ecirhorse.org, and please give us your feedback.

My apologies for the double post.
--
Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
Learn the facts about IR, PPID, equine nutrition, exercise and the foot.
www.ECIRhorse.org
Check out the FACTS on Facebook
https://www.facebook.com/ECIRGroup
Support the ECIR Group Inc., the nonprofit arm of the ECIR Group
ecirhorse.org



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Cass for Satra and Cayuse
Sonoma County, Calif. Oct. '12
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Cass%20and%20Satra%20-%20Cayuse
Re: Cresty neck caused by stress

Pauline <takarri@...>
 

Hi Priscilla,

I see that Maggie has given you some great advice- so I won't double up on it.  You're observations are spot on. For blood testing info  check this file  : https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/files/9d%20Country%20Specific%20Information/Australia

as that is still relevant for our area. File is about to be updated for  NSW ,

Let me know if you have any more questions.

 

Pauline

Geelong. Vic

Australia Aug 07

ECIR Mod/Primary Response
Re: ECIRhorse.org - New Website Announcement 2017

Maggie
 

Great job! Hope all who have put in so much time and effort can breathe a sigh of relief! I'm excited to refer people to the beautiful new site!
Maggie


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From: threecatfarm@...
To: main@ECIR.groups.io
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Sent: 2017-02-14 4:41:50 PM
Subject: [ECIR] ECIRhorse.org - New Website Announcement 2017

In 2008, the ECIR Group was approaching its 10th anniversary. Prior to that, many discussions had taken place focusing on how to make ECIR protocol information more available to equine caregivers and the professionals who work with them. From these weeks-long discussions, Dr. Kellon and Senior Member Amberlee devoted many, many hours to the creation of the ECIR Group website.

The site, ecirhorse.com, was unveiled in October of 2009. In the original announcement, Amberlee noted: “This is really to help all the new members just coming on board and all the old members seeking new information. It's about providing organized access to information. It’s a place for people to send vets that doesn't require joining anything. I wanted information that was simple enough for the new member who needs to breathe deeply and be armed with enough information to clearly interact with their local professionals.”

In 2011, Senior Member Patti launched our sister conference site, nolaminitis.org and, through that site, devoted countless hours to the success of both the 2011 and 2013 conferences.

In ensuing years, articles by Dr. Kellon, Linda, Lavinia, and LeeAnne were contributed. Amberlee devoted many, many volunteer hours as webmaster, as did Patti.

Because of this original work and the hours of work that continued over the years from these committed volunteers, ecirhrose.org garners an average of 17,000 unique visits per month.  That is an important figure.

http://blog.agilitycms.com/content-managers/what-s-more-important-page-views-or-unique-visitors

The new website being launched today has had over 100 pages reviewed and re-written with updated info. The Success Stories, now renamed Case Chronicles, have all been updated. Over 50 photos and images — the majority, ECIR Group member horses — have been used to illustrate what is possible. The ECIR Group Inc. NO Laminitis! Film is up front and center.

Most importantly, and as always, ecirhorse.org explains in detail all the signs, symptoms, and physiology of Pituitary Pars Intermedia Dysfunction (PPID) and Insulin Resistance (IR); detailed information is presented on various testing procedures and treatment, as well as background as to why they are recommended.

For equine professionals and for owners wishing to learn all they can, detailed supporting studies and back-up data are available to be shared. Proceedings from the 2013 and 2015 NO Laminitis! Conferences may be downloaded for free. Case Chronicles and Reports from the Field point to the effect the ECIR Group and the hard work of equine caregivers can have on individual cases.

The new site has been eight months in the making. Many thanks to web designer, Sullivan+Wolf Design, LLC. Special thanks to Jannalee, who has done extraordinary editing work. Thanks to ECIR Directors, Senior Members, and our wonderful Response Team who continue to provide input.  

Whether using the info yourself, or sending to your vets, your hoof pros, or your horse owners, make good use of ecirhorse.org, and please give us your feedback.

--
Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
Learn the facts about IR, PPID, equine nutrition, exercise and the foot.
www.ECIRhorse.org
Check out the FACTS on Facebook
https://www.facebook.com/ECIRGroup
Support the ECIR Group Inc., the nonprofit arm of the ECIR Group
ecirhorse.org
Vit E sale

LJ Friedman
 

For those that use vit E. we all do. CVS is having a buy one get one free sale. on their cvs brand. . 250 capsules  400iu  in soy oil cost 17.00.  When you get the next 250 for free, the net cost is .034 per capsule.. hard to beat that price
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LJ Friedman San Diego Nov 2014

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/LJ%20and%20Jesse

 
Re: Question on Filling out Case history

Purexpressions@...
 

Thank you LeeAnn so much for replying!! Very helpful! :) I think I got most history on him since I've owned him, in there, I have thought of a few minor things I'll need to add, now that I got it all uploaded! :)

Thanks again!
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~ Lindsey Fortier

Feb.8,2017    Augusta, Maine

Snicker's Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Lindsey%20and%20Snickers
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