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Re: Should I treat Dually for PPID?

LeeAnne Bloye <ecir.archives@...>
 

Dr. K, I get the same as Kim.  The link to her folder works.

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Kim%20and%20Grits%20-%20Eeyore%20-%20Dually

Try this link, it goes directly to Dually's case history.  

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Kim%20and%20Grits%20-%20Eeyore%20-%20Dually/Dually/Dually%20Case%20History.doc

Let me know what you see if it doesn't open. 


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LeeAnne,
Newmarket, Ontario. 

ECIR Archivist March, 2004
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Re: Help with CH

LeeAnne Bloye <ecir.archives@...>
 

Hang in there Bonnie!  As Lorna said, you will learn a lot.  It also gets easier with familiarity. 
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LeeAnne,
Newmarket, Ontario. 

ECIR Archivist March, 2004
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Re: Help with CH

Lorna Cane
 

Bonnie, and others who have yet to fill in CH's, yes it *can* be complicated, especially for those who are not used to keeping records. Most of us have found this to be true.

Take one step at a time, and soon you'll notice things you hadn't known before/hadn't realized before. It can be like a 1,000 piece puzzle.The feeling at the beginning, as I remember it, is one of despair , but piece by  piece by tiny piece a picture begins to emerge. Only with the CH it's much more important because it can uncover details about our horse which may have remained hidden, and may have got in the way of a diagnosis.

Warrior on . 


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Lorna in Eastern Ontario, Canada
ECIR Moderator 2002




Re: Help with CH

Bonnie Eddy
 

Thank you LeeAnne. I did get the Apache to work. I've just begun doing the CH. It is complicated for me. Thankfully I have my computer wise daughter to help although her time is limited due to her schedule. So it is being done, hopefully to be completed in the next few days. Will certainly let you know if I have problems. I could not have done it without my daughter's help thus far.

Thanks again,

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Bonnie with Racham from Southern California, Nov/2016


Re: Should I treat Dually for PPID?

Kim Leitch
 

Lee Anne might have to help me here. When I click the link in my signature, I get to a file with all three case histories for my three ponies. When I click on Dually's his CH comes up. I'm not sure why it isn't working for others.
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Kim 10-2014

Clover, SC

Grits IR, Eeyore PPID, Dually ???

Case History https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Kim%20and%20Grits%20-%20Eeyore%20-%20Dually

Photo album https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=1314




Re: Help with weight loss, and analysing adequacy of current hay

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 09:27 am, Eleanor Kellon, VMD wrote:
Talk to your vet about increasing this.

 Should be increasing pergolide!
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 

EC Owner 2001


Re: Stabul1 vs Beetpulp

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Calories are the same (beet pulp dry, before soaking).
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 

EC Owner 2001


Stabul1 vs Beetpulp

Natalie Washburn
 

Good afternoon,

Can someone point me in the direction of nutritional information for Stabul1?  I'm specifically wanting to know if Stabul1 is higher in calories than r/s/r beetpulp. 

I am considering switching my gelding from beetpulp to Stabul as he's less likely to choke on Stabul, but do not want to decrease calories as he's thin and needs to put on weight. 

Thanks!

-Natalie & Jay in Texas

Nov 2002

NRC & NAT 2008

Jay - https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Natalie%20and%20Jay

Photos - https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=1902&p=Name,,,20,2,0,0



Re: True or false? Compounding pharmacies can only use Prascend, not bulk pergolide

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 09:04 am, LeeAnne Bloye wrote:

As I understood how it works currently: Compounding pharmacies purchase bulk pergolide from offshore producers the same as BI. The pharmacies legally can  make capsules (or pills or whatever) that has any dosage except 1mg of pergolide.  Only BI can sell pergolide in a 1mg dosage.   

Now some new(?) ruling has changed that so that compounding pharmacies must buy Prascend tablets from BI for making capsules?  Or must they only purchase bulk pergolide from BI?  

 Dosage has nothing to do with it.  It has never been legal to compound from bulk drug when there is an FDA approved drug available. We had to get a special exemption, which was actually a statement the FDA would look the other way, when pergolide was pulled off the market for humans and there was no veterinary FDA approved drug. Now that Prascend is available, they are supposed to be compounding using that.  Before Prascend and the human pergolide ban they were supposed to be compounding using Permax - but weren't.  This is why the compounded drug is less expensive.

The legality is complicated. The FDA has no power to rule on anything. They can propose that certain things be made law but only Congress can make them a law.  The FDA also issues "position statements" which basically state how they interpret the law and how they will enforce it. However, position statements have no legal standing. There are existing laws against compounding from bulk drugs. However, two federal district courts have ruled that either that does not apply to animal drugs and/or the FDA is infringing on the rights of the states to oversee pharmacies.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 

EC Owner 2001


Re: Help with weight loss, and analysing adequacy of current hay

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

First, the easy stuff. No, WSC does not matter. You don't have to soak this hay. Also can't rely on those pellets to always be safe.  You are better off with more rinsed-soaked-rinsed beet pulp.

If not soaked, your current hay has adequate calories in 20 lbs but does need mineral balancing (badly!) and supplementation. About 1 and 3/4 scoop of Uckele U Balance Foundation is a good fit until you can get a custom or add individual minerals. Stop everything else except plain white salt. Give vitamin E.  The protein is just adequate in total amount but lysine deficient.  The U Balance will help with that but would also add a dose of their Tri-Amino (inexpensive).

Poor chewing though will reduce what he can extract from the hay. It could be loose teeth, gum disease, poor chewing from age related changes in jaw angle or any combination of those.  Contact both Ontario Dehy and Triple Crown about availability of the timothy balance cubes.  If you have some large, heavy shears can also try  chopping up his hay for him.

ACTH is still way too high and will also lead to weight/muscle loss. Talk to your vet about increasing this.  Also consider putting him on Jiaogulan both for feet and to protect against pergolide veil. Some horses need APF for the veil but others do well with just Jiaogulan which is much less expensive.  If you order the Uckele products, can get your Jiaogulan there too.


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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 

EC Owner 2001


Re: jesse' update

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

He's definitely come a long way.  I do see him being tentative about his front feet and shifting onto the hinds, especially with turning.  This could improve as he gets used to being out of boots.  I wouldn't hesitate to give him plenty of paddock time barefoot.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 

EC Owner 2001


Re: True or false? Compounding pharmacies can only use Prascend, not bulk pergolide

LeeAnne Bloye <ecir.archives@...>
 

I'm still confused. 

Barabara said:

The FDA has ruled that compounded pergolide must be made using BI's prascend.  

As I understood how it works currently: Compounding pharmacies purchase bulk pergolide from offshore producers the same as BI. The pharmacies legally can  make capsules (or pills or whatever) that has any dosage except 1mg of pergolide.  Only BI can sell pergolide in a 1mg dosage.   

Now some new(?) ruling has changed that so that compounding pharmacies must buy Prascend tablets from BI for making capsules?  Or must they only purchase bulk pergolide from BI?  

Talk about a sweet deal for BI as they would then be the sole middleman/supplier of pergolide to the US and not have the expense of making pills.  

Clearly there is a flaw in my interpretation of what is being said here. 




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LeeAnne,
Newmarket, Ontario. 

ECIR Archivist March, 2004
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Re: Should I treat Dually for PPID?

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Your case history file won't open for me.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 

EC Owner 2001


Farrier in Shipman VA

Karin & Inky <ksherbin@...>
 

A couple of weeks ago a fellow Virginian recommended a farrier from Shipman Virginia for my horse. At the time I had lined up a closer farrier recommended by my vet. He may not be working out and I am interested in contacting the Shipman farrier just in case.

 

I can’t find the original email. Is the farrier’s name Anne Buteau?

 

 

Karin & Inky

Forest, VA

IR/Cushing's

July 27, 2015

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Help with weight loss, and analysing adequacy of current hay

JGS
 

Sonny looks like he has lost a lot of weight since February, and I would appreciate help/insight as to what to do. I just updated his Case History, and included the hay analysis I just got back from Equi-analytical. Vet called and left a message to tell me bloodwork (ACTH now 358 down from 1250, and insulin "normal"). I will get actuals on Monday and update Case History then.

1. In the meantime, because of apparent weight loss, I searched group files and am I correct that I can feed him up to 4 lbs (dry) of beet pulp per day (?)  I have started increasing his beet pulp quite a bit over the last week. I have worked up to about 2 lbs dry/day... I was thinking I shouldn't do it all at once, or does it matter? (There was about a week where he was only eating about 15 lbs of hay, but he is eating all 20 lbs now again.)

2. According to the hay analysis of Sonny's current hay, ESC + starch is 7.8. and WSC is 19.3. Question: Do I need to soak hay still? Does the WSC matter?

3. Is this hay adequate in nutrients to feed, or should I keep searching for other hay? I don't really have a reference point, so would appreciate it if someone would comment on this. I compared it to the analysis of the hay I bought that he couldn't eat, and what I'm feeding has about half or less of protein and nutrients...

4. Sonny is having some difficulty eating his hay, leaving some wadded hay chews on the floor of his stall.(Had his teeth done Dec. of 2015 and all was good.)  I am wondering if you think I might include feeding him some Standlee timothy pellets? I found an analysis in the group files that looked like it should be okay sugar-wise. . . ESC 5.9  + Starch .6, https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/files/9c%20Analyses%20of%20Various%20Feeds/Standlee%20Products/Timothy%20Pellets%202016-11-22.pdf.

5. Other suggestions?

Thanks so much...appreciate the info and help!





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Joan

Feb 2017, Sherwood, OR

Case History https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Joan%20and%20Sonny  .



Re: jesse' update

Lorna Cane
 
Edited

On Sat, Mar 25, 2017 at 11:27 pm, Jaini Clougher wrote:
Oh, my word - he looks great! So happy, and walking well. Good job, LJ!
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 What Jaini said, LJ !!!

https://youtu.be/d7cQNbDtJdY

Jesse is so lucky to have you !!

Hard, hard work, but look at what you've done for him !!


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Lorna in Eastern Ontario, Canada
ECIR Moderator 2002




Re: jesse' update

 

Oh, my word - he looks great! So happy, and walking well. Good job, LJ!
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Jaini Clougher (BSc,BVSc)

Merlin (over the bridge) ,Maggie,Gypsy, Ranger

BC 09
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https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jaini%20and%20Merlin-Maggie-Gypsy




switch to jiaogulan?

jakehorse10
 

Hi, update on minerals; previous batch had an 'off' taste and I had to reorder. Slowly working up to getting full amount. Jake is very suspicious of tasting or smelling everything now. Just started turning away from Prascend in the Beet E Bites pill pocket and now stopped taking APF in any form. I am trying everything in all the searches and files and tip and tricks. I made a little mix of flax, timothy pellets, alfalfa powder moistened and got him to take his pill in that. We shall see.....But nothing is working with the APF.  He is very lethargic, so is this still a pergolide veil (started Feb 23)?  Should I try something else like jiaogulan? Phytoquench (seems to be for other purposes)? 

I am hand walking every other day for 10 to 20 minutes in boots; he does not seem to be in any pain, but has no energy at all.
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Monti/Jake in Mich 2010

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Monti%20and%20Jake


Re: jesse' update

LJ Friedman
 

Enclosed is a youtube video of jesse at turnout today, for his first time w/o cloud boots on...( skip half way to see him roll and then walk back to me  .During the walk back to his stall, trainer thought he overstrided well but still a bit unsure of feet w/o the boots on.  On Monday, we will take front clouds off in the early am and see how he is for a few hours,, ( then put boots back on )

https://youtu.be/d7cQNbDtJdY

LJ Friedman  Nov 2014  San Diego, CA

 

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=2117 

.https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/LJ%20and%20Jesse


Re: jesse' update

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Taking them after is fine.

Thanks.
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Lavinia, Dante and George Too

Jan 05, RI

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