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Re: ECIR Group: NO Laminitis! Selected for 2017 International Film Festival Screening

jsstults@...
 

That is wonderful Nancy!  I have an Aunt and Cousin in and near Missoula who are also horse lovers. Glad to be able to tell them about this!  May I please ask about status of the flyers for the conference... Many thanks for all your hard work, Sally in AZ

Sent from my iPad

On May 5, 2017, at 12:05 PM, Nancy C <threecatfarm@...> wrote:

The Equine Cushing’s  and Insulin Resistance Group Inc (ECIR Group Inc.) is pleased to announce their film entitled, The ECIR Group: NO Laminitis! has been selected for screening at the EQUUS INTERNATIONAL Film Festival (EIFF), this September, 15-17, in Missoula, Montana.

The eight-minute film provides an overview of how equine metabolic disorders have affected horses and their humans. Five equine caregivers describe the consequences of laminitis due to uncontrolled metabolic conditions, and their results when using the ECIR Group protocol — Diagnosis, Diet, Trim, and Exercise (DDT+E).  An overview of the history and work of the ECIR Group and how equine endocrine disease affects so many horses is discussed, and resources for further information and links for immediate help are shared.

“It’s a wonderful, eye-opening, awareness-raising program that will help many horses and the humans that love them and we’re thrilled to share it.” noted Janet Rose, EIFF Director.

The EIFF showcases a wide range of programming and media on equine stories and topics and issues that bring awareness and understanding to all things equine. It is the premier global venue for award-winning equine film, television and other media that bring focus to the horse and other equines and seeks to enhance the equine/human bond and to improve the welfare of the horse.

The film was made possible by generous contributions from A Friend of the ECIR Group, California Trace, Forageplus, and Uckele Health and Nutrition Inc.

The ECIR Group: NO Laminitis! may be viewed on Vimeo https://vimeo.com/1013media/ecirgroup
and on the ECIR Group Inc. website, www.ecirhorse.org

The film was produced by 1013media of the San Francisco Bay area.
   
About ECIR Group Inc.

Started in 1999, the ECIR Group is the largest field-trial database for PPID and IR in the world and provides the latest research, diagnosis, and treatment information, in addition to dietary recommendations for horses with these conditions. Even universities do not and cannot compile and follow long term as many in-depth case histories of PPID/IR horses as the ECIR Group.

In 2013 the Equine Cushing's and Insulin Resistance Group Inc., an Arizona nonprofit corporation, was approved as a 501(c)3 public charity. Tax deductible contributions and grants support ongoing research, education, and awareness of Equine Cushing's Disease/PPID and Insulin Resistance.

THE MISSION of the ECIR Group Inc. is to improve the welfare of equines with metabolic disorders via a unique interface between basic research and real-life clinical experience. Prevention of laminitis is the ultimate goal. The ECIR Group serves the scientific community, practicing clinicians, and owners by focusing on investigations most likely to quickly, immediately, and significantly benefit the welfare of the horse.
--
Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003

Save the date! The ECIR Group Inc. NO Laminitis! Conference, October 27-29, Tucson, AZ

www.nolaminitis.org


Learn the facts about IR, PPID, equine nutrition, exercise and the foot
ECIRhorse.org
Check out the FACTS on Facebook
https://www.facebook.com/ECIRGroup
Support the ECIR Group Inc., the nonprofit arm of the ECIR Group
ecirhorse.org



Re: Updated CH for Tartine and some good news

LeeAnne Bloye <ecir.archives@...>
 

Hi Jaini,

I may be wrong  but I just want to be sure Tartine doesn't slip through a crack with regards to proper diagnosis? It seems from Tartine's case history (uploaded May 5, 2017) that the glucose was not taken on the same day as the insulin.  Do we not need to have both Glucose and Insulin tested from the same blood draw to make a true diagnosis?

Katrina, we ask that only one copy of a case history (that contains all updates) be posted in a horse's folder.  This is to conserve dataspace and so the support team doesn't have to spend their limited time opening and comparing all the different files to get the real current situation of an equine.  Please see How to Use Your Case History Folder

It seems you have transferred information to the latest case history file so have removed the excess files . Just to be sure, though they previous copies have been emailed to you so you can double check this when you get a chance.  


--

- ​LeeAnne

ECIR Archivist, Newmarket, Ontario March 2004

Email Me - if link fails use ECIR.Archives at gmail dot com

Is your equine in the Pergolide Dosage Database? View the Pergolide Statistics

  Dawn's 10 Year Case History
     Taken For Granite Art

Quote of the moment: The human spirit must prevail over technology. - Albert Einstein


Re: Trim Evaluation for Luke please

Lorna Cane
 

On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 10:03 pm, <rockyride4life@...> wrote:
When I was taking pictures, it became obvious to my eye getting down at ground level the toes on all the feet are long.  

 It's a real eye-opener, Karen, isn't it? A lot of us have been surprised by this. 

Happy to hear he's becoming more comfortable.


--

Lorna in Eastern Ontario, Canada
ECIR Moderator 2002




Re: Updated CH for Tartine and some good news

 

Yay!  It wasn't a fasting test, was it? I see the glucose was low also, which can happen with blood sitting too long or blood mis-handling; insulin/glucose after fasting can also give a false negative.  

Yes, just the PSSM is more than enough!
--

Jaini Clougher (BSc,BVSc)

Merlin (over the bridge) ,Maggie,Gypsy, Ranger

BC 09
ECIR mod/support

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jaini%20and%20Merlin-Maggie-Gypsy




Re: Trim Evaluation for Luke please

Karen Warne
 

Thank you for the explanation.  My brain is exploding with all the new information... I have posted new pictures that I hope are better for you.  I am not a photographer and have to use my iPhone.  Delete any that are not helpful if you want.

so a couple questions... do we need to manage the club foot any differently?  I had always heard that we couldn't make a club foot into a normal hoof.  He does grow hoof very rapidly, which is why I have a trim every four weeks.  I have had three trimmers... the first one I let go as she wouldn't listen to the vet, and since then two different vets have all stated the toes need to be backed up... I have a relatively new farrier now who was surprised when she saw the X-rays as she thought she had removed a great deal of toe, but realized there was more to go.  From what my vet said, we need to shorten the toes, lower the heel on that left front foot, and the right front hoof needs the toes shortened, but already has a low heel... do you agree?   When I was taking pictures, it became obvious to my eye getting down at ground level the toes on all the feet are long.  

Do we need to shorten the toes and lower the heels gradually?  Wouldn't any dramatic trim possibly make his lame or ? I am really out of my league knowing what to have done, so having markups and pictures of what his hoofs should look like would be so helpful.

i did buy Cavallo boots with gel pads for him so tomorrow I'll get himused to wearing them for added hoof protection, particularly when he's well enough to ride, but even now while he might be tender still, although he seems so very much better the last couple days.

Thank you.

--

Karen and Luke 

May 1 2017

Northern California


https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Karen%20and%20Luke

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=5921


For Members Who Need Trim Evaluations, Sat, 5/6/17 #cal-notice

main@ECIR.groups.io Calendar <noreply@...>
 

For Members Who Need Trim Evaluations

When:
Saturday, 6 May 2017

Description:

Trim is often the “missing link” in regaining and maintaining soundness. Because your equine friend deserves the best hoof care possible, the ECIR Group is glad to assist anyone wanting trim evaluations. To do this, we need some specific help from you: 



1. Good Photos: Hooves are a 3-D object that we are evaluating using a 2-D medium. That places us at an immediate disadvantage. Good hoof pictures - of clean feet, taken from the correct angles, with good light and non-cluttered backgrounds - enable us to do this as accurately as we can. It helps the volunteers compensate for not actually "being there" to pick that hoof up or crouch down on the ground and look at it up close. Good photos help eliminate and/or clarify some of the variables that play a part in our ensuing recommendations. We understand that this may be awkward to accomplish but it is essential for providing the necessary info we need to help you help your friend. Although the front feet are where everyone tends to focus, providing pictures of all four hooves is encouraged.  Anything that affects the front feet will also affect the hinds, although often to a lesser degree.  If there are trim issues in front, there will also be trim issues behind as it is usually the same individual caring for both sets of hooves. 

 

The sooner we get clear and usable photos, the sooner we can assess and make specific, thorough recommendations. Go here for instructions for taking good hoof pictures.

 

2. Proper Identification of your photos: Having to guess whether a hoof is front/hind, left/right makes helping your horse doubly difficult and the Photo Section of the group chooses its own order when loading your shots so you can't count on them being uploaded in any particular order. Identification of individual hooves can be as simple marking LF, RF, LH or RH with a magic marker on the appropriate hoof before snapping the shots.  For dark hooves try a metallic silver marker or use marked masking tape as a “label”.  Please note that “left” refers to the horse’s left (near side) while “right” refers to the horse’s right (off side).  

 

3.  X-rays: Radiographs are always a bonus as they clearly reveal what is going on inside the walls where our human, non-superman vision cannot penetrate. With the advent of digital x-rays, however, the cost of a basic set has risen considerably. We understand if this just isn't an option but x-rays are never a waste of money when hoof problems are present and sometimes are an essential ingredient to a good outcome. If you are going to have x-rays done, here are some tips on making the most of your investment.

 

Hope this helps with the "why" of your volunteers' repeated requests for good hoof shots.


If your equine does not have PPID or IR, your photos go in ECHoof.   This is where all conversation about Non IR and PPID hooves takes place.  Upon joining you will be sent instructions about how to get your photos uploaded. Before emailing your photos please read and follow Getting Good Hoof Photos and Naming Photos and Xrays


If your equine does have PPID or IR your photos go in Your Photo Album located in the case history photo section. Once you have posted and correctly named your photos post a message in the main ECIR asking for evaluation. 



-Owners, Moderators & Primary Response Team of the ECIR Group​


Re: Trim Evaluation for Luke please

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

The dishing in the dorsal wall is likely what the vet was referring to when she mentioned rotation - known as capsular rotation. The distance between the dorsal edge of the coffin bone and the dorsal wall of the hoof capsule should be even from top to bottom. The dishing is an outward indication that the laminar attachments have stretched and that this alignment has been compromised. It can be due to mechanical problems (toes too long), laminitis/founder (lamina become inflamed/stretched/give way) or a combination of the two. A realigning trim needs to be instituted to get the excess toe length removed and the breakover set back correctly so that the hoof can heal. If the trim is not corrected, the excess toe length continues to cause the lamina to tear with every step the horse takes.

Rotation can be bony column or capsular. Bony column rotation is when the alignment of the bones is not correct and the hoof-pastern axis (HPA) has a broken forward configuration. It's a more complicated problem that is NOT present in Luke's case.

Sinking is the common term for distal descent. This is where the bony column is sitting deeper down inside the hoof capsule than it should be. Most domestic horses show some degree of sinking over time, but not all. Getting the trim optimized is so that the hoof capsule tightly hugs the internal structures is the only way to get this to start to reverse. Because the lamina cannot actually repair, it means that after the trim is corrected, the hoof capsule needs to be maintained in the proper configuration so that new, well-attached wall can grow down from the coronary band to replace the damaged parts. It takes 9-12 months for an entirely new hoof capsule to grow down from the coronary band to the ground. Because the vet mentions that there has been no change in this set of xrays from the previous ones, it means that the trim has needed correcting since at least 2013
--
Lavinia and George Too

Dante, Nappi and George over the Bridge

Jan 05, RI

EC Support Team


Re: Trim Evaluation for Luke please

Karen Warne
 

I will add the links to my signature... good suggestion.

The comment about the rotation being stable is directly from the vet notes when she compared these X-rays done on the 25th of April.  That was in reference to the left front hoof which has a mild club.  There is some dishing on the dorsal side of that LF hoof as well.   I am not familiar with the term sinking, so would appreciate learning about that and what remedy is available. 

I have the 2103 and 2014 X-rays on a CD so I am not sure how to add them.  

His last trim was 4/23/17 and next scheduled for 5/25, but have sent a text to my farrier that I'd like to move my appointment up to take care of trim needed... I'd love your input so will go take pictures now and post.  

Thank you so much. 

Karen and Luke 

May 1 2017

Northern California


https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Karen%20and%20Luke

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=5921


Re: Signature and Case History Question

Lorna Cane
 

Hi Jennifer,


The Wiki files are full of information that should help with this.


I found this signature:

Jennifer Reinke
El Segundo, CA
December, 2006


--

Lorna in Eastern Ontario, Canada
ECIR Moderator 2002




Signature and Case History Question

 

I'm just getting ready to have my horse tested and wanted to get a start on his case history.  I see the case history file for a pc to update your info but I'm not really sure where to actually get started.  Can someone help me? 

Also, I know I joined this group many years ago and thought I had written down somewhere my signature info but I can't find it.  Might someone have it in the files that I can't see?

Thank you!

Jennifer and Brasco

Los Angeles, CA - ?


Re: Trim Evaluation for Luke please

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Hi Karen,

Here are the links to Luke's case history and to his photo album:

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Karen%20and%20Luke

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=5921

Please add these to your signature. Although there were problems with making signatures due to some Groups.io glitches earlier this week, those appear to have been fixed.

You are correct that the toes are too long and the soles a bit thin. There appears to be a bit of sinking as well. Unfortunately, the xray views were taken from slightly below the feet, aiming upward, so it makes them somewhat more difficult to interpret. There is no rotation evident on this set of xarys so not sure what you're referring to regarding "mild rotation is stable". If you have the earlier xrays, adding them would be helpful.

The bruising is in the heel bulbs so over-reaching being the cause makes perfect sense. It can get incorporated into the walls as they grow down. Generally, over-reaching is made worse when the toes are too long because they delay the time of break over and leave the front feet on the ground long enough for the hind feet to catch them during the stride. Backing the toes to their optimal position will help stop the over reach.

Here's the link to Taking Good Hoof Photos:

https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/wiki/Hoof-Related-Photo-Instructions

It would help to have a set for all four feet. When was his last trim? Maintaining the current four week schedule makes sense so that's what to aim for.
--
Lavinia and George Too

Dante, Nappi and George over the Bridge

Jan 05, RI

EC Support Team


New Hoof Radiograph

Stephanie Stout
 

Hi Dr. Kellon and Everyone, 

Per your advice Dr. K, I got a radiograph of King's front right foot that has kept abscessing. It actually stopped draining a couple days ago, and is currently not draining, but I don't know how long that will last. Besides trimming/backing of the toe which I have an appointment with my farrier on Monday - what do you all see and what are your suggestions? 

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/photo/1402/3?p=Name,,,20,1,0,0

Thanks!! 

--
Stephanie & King
October 2014
Oregon
Case History 


Re: Need Help with IR/Cushings Pony

Sherry Hite
 

Lavinia,

My trimmer was able to come out last week and do the additional trimming you suggested.  I have posted the post trim pictures (2016-04-26).  There wasn't any noticeable increased soreness after the trim either barefoot or in her boots. Hooray!  I have kept her in boots during the day and have been riding her for at least 30 minutes almost every day in my pastures.  I let her set the pace and she seems to be slightly more energetic the last two days.  I think the corrected trim helped but I also suspect the Adequan may be helping  (she gets her 4th injection tomorrow).  Please let me know if there is more we need to do on her trim.  Blood was drawn Tuesday, May 2, for ACTH, insulin, leptin, glucose, and progesterone.  Should have the results next week.  I haven't had a response on my request for help in making sure her hay is balanced correctly via the NRC Grads so I will go back to asking Nancy to help me.  I will greatly appreciate any comments you may have.  Thanks for your help with this little girl... she is pretty special to me. 
--
Sherry & Pepper, August 2015, No. Calif

Case History:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sherry%20and%20Pepper

Photo Album:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=5798  .






Re: ECIR Group: NO Laminitis! Selected for 2017 International Film Festival Screening

Nancy C
 

List of sponsors is on their web site.  it is not complete.
--
Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003

Save the date! The ECIR Group Inc. NO Laminitis! Conference, October 27-29, Tucson, AZ

Learn the facts about IR, PPID, equine nutrition, exercise and the foot
ECIRhorse.org
Check out the FACTS on Facebook
https://www.facebook.com/ECIRGroup
Support the ECIR Group Inc., the nonprofit arm of the ECIR Group
ecirhorse.org



Trim Evaluation for Luke please

Karen Warne
 

I am requesting a trim evaluation for Luke please and will have better pics in my photo album ASAP.   His X-rays are there.  

Also, I am wondering what the estimated time might be so that I can schedule my farrier to come?

I know, based on X-rays, that his toes are too long, his soles are thin.  Please note that he has a left front club foot (mild, barefoot, and managed with trims every four weeks).  I am also noticing that he has bruising of his left front heel, both sides, and I am not sure if he over reached and clipped himself, which he usually has bell boots on for, or if the bruising is due to stress in his foot.  His LF foot is the foot that's had a small abscess and both front feet were tender with hoof testers applied on 4/25.  He seems less uncomfortable at present.  

Thank you.

Karen and Luke

May 1 2017

Northern California


Re: ECIR Group: NO Laminitis! Selected for 2017 International Film Festival Screening

ellenbeckertrading
 

Hi,

Have you checked out who is sponsoring this film festival?

If it is Protect the Harvest, the pro slaughter group that did the last one in NYC, then you need to be aware of that.

Ask Equine Welfare Alliance--they would know.


Keep up the good work on Cushings--you helped me alot when Glacier was alive.

Sheri Ellenbecker


From: main@ECIR.groups.io <main@ECIR.groups.io> on behalf of Nancy C <threecatfarm@...>
Sent: Friday, May 5, 2017 2:05:58 PM
To: main@ECIR.groups.io
Subject: [ECIR] ECIR Group: NO Laminitis! Selected for 2017 International Film Festival Screening
 

The Equine Cushing’s  and Insulin Resistance Group Inc (ECIR Group Inc.) is pleased to announce their film entitled, The ECIR Group: NO Laminitis! has been selected for screening at the EQUUS INTERNATIONAL Film Festival (EIFF), this September, 15-17, in Missoula, Montana.

The eight-minute film provides an overview of how equine metabolic disorders have affected horses and their humans. Five equine caregivers describe the consequences of laminitis due to uncontrolled metabolic conditions, and their results when using the ECIR Group protocol — Diagnosis, Diet, Trim, and Exercise (DDT+E).  An overview of the history and work of the ECIR Group and how equine endocrine disease affects so many horses is discussed, and resources for further information and links for immediate help are shared.

“It’s a wonderful, eye-opening, awareness-raising program that will help many horses and the humans that love them and we’re thrilled to share it.” noted Janet Rose, EIFF Director.

The EIFF showcases a wide range of programming and media on equine stories and topics and issues that bring awareness and understanding to all things equine. It is the premier global venue for award-winning equine film, television and other media that bring focus to the horse and other equines and seeks to enhance the equine/human bond and to improve the welfare of the horse.

The film was made possible by generous contributions from A Friend of the ECIR Group, California Trace, Forageplus, and Uckele Health and Nutrition Inc.

The ECIR Group: NO Laminitis! may be viewed on Vimeo https://vimeo.com/1013media/ecirgroup
and on the ECIR Group Inc. website, www.ecirhorse.org

The film was produced by 1013media of the San Francisco Bay area.
   
About ECIR Group Inc.

Started in 1999, the ECIR Group is the largest field-trial database for PPID and IR in the world and provides the latest research, diagnosis, and treatment information, in addition to dietary recommendations for horses with these conditions. Even universities do not and cannot compile and follow long term as many in-depth case histories of PPID/IR horses as the ECIR Group.

In 2013 the Equine Cushing's and Insulin Resistance Group Inc., an Arizona nonprofit corporation, was approved as a 501(c)3 public charity. Tax deductible contributions and grants support ongoing research, education, and awareness of Equine Cushing's Disease/PPID and Insulin Resistance.

THE MISSION of the ECIR Group Inc. is to improve the welfare of equines with metabolic disorders via a unique interface between basic research and real-life clinical experience. Prevention of laminitis is the ultimate goal. The ECIR Group serves the scientific community, practicing clinicians, and owners by focusing on investigations most likely to quickly, immediately, and significantly benefit the welfare of the horse.
--
Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003

Save the date! The ECIR Group Inc. NO Laminitis! Conference, October 27-29, Tucson, AZ

www.nolaminitis.org


Learn the facts about IR, PPID, equine nutrition, exercise and the foot
ECIRhorse.org
Check out the FACTS on Facebook
https://www.facebook.com/ECIRGroup
Support the ECIR Group Inc., the nonprofit arm of the ECIR Group
ecirhorse.org



ECIR Group: NO Laminitis! Selected for 2017 International Film Festival Screening

Nancy C
 

The Equine Cushing’s  and Insulin Resistance Group Inc (ECIR Group Inc.) is pleased to announce their film entitled, The ECIR Group: NO Laminitis! has been selected for screening at the EQUUS INTERNATIONAL Film Festival (EIFF), this September, 15-17, in Missoula, Montana.

The eight-minute film provides an overview of how equine metabolic disorders have affected horses and their humans. Five equine caregivers describe the consequences of laminitis due to uncontrolled metabolic conditions, and their results when using the ECIR Group protocol — Diagnosis, Diet, Trim, and Exercise (DDT+E).  An overview of the history and work of the ECIR Group and how equine endocrine disease affects so many horses is discussed, and resources for further information and links for immediate help are shared.

“It’s a wonderful, eye-opening, awareness-raising program that will help many horses and the humans that love them and we’re thrilled to share it.” noted Janet Rose, EIFF Director.

The EIFF showcases a wide range of programming and media on equine stories and topics and issues that bring awareness and understanding to all things equine. It is the premier global venue for award-winning equine film, television and other media that bring focus to the horse and other equines and seeks to enhance the equine/human bond and to improve the welfare of the horse.

The film was made possible by generous contributions from A Friend of the ECIR Group, California Trace, Forageplus, and Uckele Health and Nutrition Inc.

The ECIR Group: NO Laminitis! may be viewed on Vimeo https://vimeo.com/1013media/ecirgroup
and on the ECIR Group Inc. website, www.ecirhorse.org

The film was produced by 1013media of the San Francisco Bay area.
   
About ECIR Group Inc.

Started in 1999, the ECIR Group is the largest field-trial database for PPID and IR in the world and provides the latest research, diagnosis, and treatment information, in addition to dietary recommendations for horses with these conditions. Even universities do not and cannot compile and follow long term as many in-depth case histories of PPID/IR horses as the ECIR Group.

In 2013 the Equine Cushing's and Insulin Resistance Group Inc., an Arizona nonprofit corporation, was approved as a 501(c)3 public charity. Tax deductible contributions and grants support ongoing research, education, and awareness of Equine Cushing's Disease/PPID and Insulin Resistance.

THE MISSION of the ECIR Group Inc. is to improve the welfare of equines with metabolic disorders via a unique interface between basic research and real-life clinical experience. Prevention of laminitis is the ultimate goal. The ECIR Group serves the scientific community, practicing clinicians, and owners by focusing on investigations most likely to quickly, immediately, and significantly benefit the welfare of the horse.
--
Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003

Save the date! The ECIR Group Inc. NO Laminitis! Conference, October 27-29, Tucson, AZ

www.nolaminitis.org


Learn the facts about IR, PPID, equine nutrition, exercise and the foot
ECIRhorse.org
Check out the FACTS on Facebook
https://www.facebook.com/ECIRGroup
Support the ECIR Group Inc., the nonprofit arm of the ECIR Group
ecirhorse.org



Re: Can anyone tell me about how using paste wormers could exacerbate laminitis? Which wormers are more safe?

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Hi Lisa,

The amount of information (and misinformation) that is available online is staggering. When researching a topic, pay attention to who is posting it to help you decide how much weight (if any) to give that particular source. University and independent researchers are your best sources for unbiased, factual information while sites who rely on testimonials and sell products are the least reliable.

We wouldn't recommend deworming a horse while it is actively laminitic as it's systems are already stressed and adding another stressor could make the situation worse. Once the laminitis has resolved (trigger removed/managed) then deworming should not pose a risk.

If you have an IR horse, we recommend caution when using any of the dewormers that contain Praziquantel (Zimectrin Gold, Quest Plus) as praziquantel causes transient insulin spikes in some species (horses unknown), which could lead to a laminitic episode. 

What dewormer did you use in Dec? Are you having fecals done to check what her worm burden is? Is your mare IR/PPID? What do you mean by "she's mostly recovered now"? Help us to help your girl by filling out a case history for her. Here's the link to the info for filling out a case history:

https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/wiki/Case-Histories%3A-What-You-Need-to-Know
--
Lavinia and George Too

Dante, Nappi and George over the Bridge

Jan 05, RI

EC Support Team


Can anyone tell me about how using paste wormers could exacerbate laminitis? Which wormers are more safe?

Calysta88@...
 

Is it safe to deworming horses that are laminitic? It made my mare worse in December. She's mostly recovered now. I usually rotate wormers every four months. Things I've read on line have me very concerned. Would appreciate any advice. 

Lisa H. In Oregon


Re: help managing a borderline case

Synky's Mum
 

thank you! funnily enough I'm driving around with a 20kg bag of micronised linseed in my car that I keep meaning to give to him lol!
--
Jess and Synky

Essex, England 2017

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