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Re: metformin for a second try?

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

The changes were relatively small but there is some evidence in people that cabergoline can improve IR:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4499429/

We don't have much experience with cabergoline in PPID but I'm sure there will be horses with different dosage requirements.


--
Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 

EC Owner 2001


Re: Regrowth of Hair

Lorna Cane
 

Hi Kathy,


Have had a chance to look at Donna's CH. Have you had any testing done since last Fall?

Going from results from last Fall, if she were mine I'd be bumping the pergolide dose, for sure.

I'd also get the diet tightened up considerably.

Maybe you just haven't had a chance to update the details?


--

Lorna in Eastern Ontario, Canada
ECIR Moderator 2002




Re: How am I doing with April's feet - not being 'aggressive' enough?

Becky Ferry
 

Thanks Paula. 

Based on the speed which an effect is seen I don't think we have black walnut. I also don't think we would have it in the UK? but I will check with the guy I get the chips from to be sure.

I think her feet are sloughing the dead stuff off as the rain has arrived - we haven't had any for weeks & now her feet are getting wet...... I will try to take more pictures when I file them today. 

-- 

Becky

2010 UK NRC

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=3922 


Re: Regrowth of Hair

Lorna Cane
 

Hi Kathy,


I can't help with an answer, but here is a clickable link to your CH:

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Kathy%20and%20Donna



--

Lorna in Eastern Ontario, Canada
ECIR Moderator 2002




Re: MAXISOY versus SPEEDIBEET for Cushings/IR

Lorna Cane
 

Hi Kylie,


I've heard of a possible reaction here,too. What were the signs of the reactions you're familiar with?


--

Lorna in Eastern Ontario, Canada
ECIR Moderator 2002




Re: Abdominal pitting edems

Karen Warne
 

Just an update... the ultrasound showed thickening 5-6mm in spots.  The peritoneal tap cytology showed nothing abnormal at all - good news as no infection, no RBCs, no cancer... the urinalysis was normal, so he's not loosing protein in his urine.   We started him on hydroxyzine 500 mg twice a day for 5 days, then 250 mg twice a day for 5 days in the event he is having some kind of allergic response.  In addition, he is being hand walked 20 minutes/day and I am cold hosing his abdomen.  The vet was out today to reassess Luke and to redraw the Hct and Total Protein.  Luke's abdominal ventral edema is almost completely gone.  He is afebrile and acting like he feels better.  

Our suspicions are that Luke had GI inflammation/ colitis due to the bute, resulting in protein-losing enterocolopathy... even though he was only on it for a short time.  (1gm 2x/day for 7days, then 1gm 1x/day for 7 days).   I am optimistic that his lab values will be improved.  

--

Karen and Luke 

May 1 2017

Northern California


https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Karen%20and%20Luke

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=5921


Re: MAXISOY versus SPEEDIBEET for Cushings/IR

Kylie T
 

Hello Sandra


Maxisoy is soy hulls whilst Speedibeet is beet pulp.  Both are suitable carriers for minerals however with Speedibeet and its high iron if you have the resources of lots of water and time then RSR won't be an issue.  I live in a low rain fall area of South Western QLD still currently in drought so I don't have the water to be able to do this.  I also don't have the time and with seven horses that water is better going into their trough.  I like soy hulls for the fact that if fits into my budget of feeding seven horses.  Where I live there is almost a price different of $20 per bag so you can see why I choose Soy Hulls.


There has been some reporting in Australia of horses reacting to soy hulls - personally I have never had a problem withi it.  I do have to add Copra to some of my horses diets who poo poo the soy hulls on its own but a small handful of copra seems to pacify them.  My PPID and IR ponies only get soy hulls.  They seem to inhale it.

If you're looking for a nutritional analysis for both 


http://www.mitavite.com/speedi_beet


https://www.facebook.com/MaxisoyLowGISuperFibrePellets/photos/a.310879072284848.69941.214775445228545/1018257031547045/?type=3&theater


hopefully the FB analysis comes through.


It's easy to compare the two by looking at these.


So in a nutshell, budget, water, and time are your considerations.  


Cheers

Kylie

GS NRC+

QLD, Aus




Regrowth of Hair

Kathy Thomas
 

Is it possible for a horse who seems to have shed out a winter coat to start to regrow it in May?
--
Kathy 2017 and Donna

Harrowsmith, Ontario

Donna Case History


Re: Trim Evaluation for Luke please

Karen Warne
 

Hi Lavinia,

The vet came today, as well as the farrier... using the X-rays they trimmed Luke's feet.  I've uploaded pictures for your review and comments.  The farrier is next scheduled in four weeks.   The vet may come to that appointment as well.  They both agreed with your comment about the heels being underrun at this time.  Hopefully, over time that will improve...

Thank you so much for your help and input.
--

Karen and Luke 

May 1 2017

Northern California


https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Karen%20and%20Luke

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=5921


Re: Trim Evaluation for Luke please

Jon and Heather Fowler
 

Lavinia, how do you determine whether your horse needs the soft, medium, or firm easy care pads?
Thanks,


--
Heather Fowler   January 2015   New River, AZ

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Heather%20and%20Marra%20-%20Queenie

Marra's photos:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=6013


2 more f/u-Re: Please, please advise on getting IR controlled - Toons RH Meniscus Re-Injured

 

Dr. Kellon and Jaini- thank you for helping me breathe again. How could we do this without you? 

 I will place an order for iodine tomorrow and talk to my vet about the Metformin.

I read about a few downside risks with the latter.  

1) Do I need to be cautious about  supplementing the Metformin? I am throwing so much at this poor horse.

2) I am wondering if I should give the Thyro- L and the iodine a chance to get the thyroid functioning and then perhaps it may have some impacts on the glucose, insulin and leptin? Is this solely wishful thinking?


Robyn & Toons 

North Bay, CA

April 2016

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Robyn%20and%20Toons





MAXISOY versus SPEEDIBEET for Cushings/IR

 

Hello - trying to find info on Maxisoy versus Speedibeet as carrier for minerals for my mares.  One is IR/Cushings, the other Compensated IR.  In the past I have found Maxisoy (or the pelletised soy hull product) much easier/quicker to use. But beetpulp has been recommended by my equine diet consultant.  Is there a file with pro's and con's for these products? Is there a reason beetpulp is recommended over soy hulls? I guess the rinse/soak/rinse process required for beetpulp seems quite wasteful of water and the waste looks SO  dirty.
--

Sandra Weston

Joined 6/7/2016

Leeton, NSW, Australia

Case Histories:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sandra%20and%20Molly

  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sandra%20and%20Capri

Molly’s Photos:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=4424

Capri's Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=4441

 


Re: metformin for a second try?

LJ Friedman
 

I read a bit more.. takeaway is that cabergoline might do double duty? control acth and insulin?  at $375 a vial, the cost is $3.75 a day... quite manageable.  and similar to what I pay for 14mg cp.  Does 1 ml ( 5mg) every 10 days control acth regardless if a horse is using 1 mg or 25 mg of comp pergolide?--  

LJ Friedman  Nov 2014  San Diego, CA

 

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=2117 

.https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/LJ%20and%20Jesse


Re: Help , can I give Stabul Plus to my uncompensated IR mare.

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Hi Mimi,

Are you using the Prascend for Scarlet's pergolide? As the dose goes up it certainly can put you in the poor house. Might want to examine switching to the compounded instead.
--
Lavinia and George Too

Dante, Nappi and George over the Bridge

Jan 05, RI

EC Support Team


Re: metformin for a second try?

LJ Friedman
 

thanks for your reply. My reading tells me that cabergoline is indicated if acth isnt well controlled with pergolide.. When I test soon, after a month or so on his new dose of 14mg, would you still be suggesting cabergoline if Jesse's acth is in the teens?  ( from your last message I got the impression that other issues besides acth , have you suggesting cabergoline?  I read all the post on cabergoline, but didnt find any files on this,...thanks

LJ Friedman  Nov 2014  San Diego, CA

 

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=2117 

.https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/LJ%20and%20Jesse


Re: Laminitis Vaccine Offers Horse Owners a Preventive Tool

LeeAnne Bloye <ecir.archives@...>
 

I'll add it to the files. 
--

- ​LeeAnne

ECIR Archivist, Newmarket, Ontario March 2004

Email Me - if link fails use ECIR.Archives at gmail dot com

Is your equine in the Pergolide Dosage Database? View the Pergolide Statistics

  Dawn's 10 Year Case History
     Taken For Granite Art

Quote of the moment: The human spirit must prevail over technology. - Albert Einstein


Re: Help , can I give Stabul Plus to my uncompensated IR mare.

Mimi Costley
 

Hi Jaini,
By exercise I was just thinking of hand walking. Certainly too wobbly to ride. I don't think circles would be good for her. Sometimes she runs when turned out with feed bag or muzzle but not recently. The mule would run her if they went out together but I think that could lead to disaster.
Thanks, Mimi

Mimi and Scarlet Feb 2016
northern VA
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Mimi%20and%20Scarlet


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On Thu, 5/18/17, Jaini Clougher <merlin5clougher@gmail.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [ECIR] Help , can I give Stabul Plus to my uncompensated IR mare.
To: main@ECIR.groups.io
Date: Thursday, May 18, 2017, 4:39 PM

[Edited Message
Follows]
Hi, Mimi - Since she does better on the ranitidine, then
that is definitely to way to go!  Similarly, if you suspect
alfalfa was originally a player in Scarlet's IR,
don't go back there.  It is interesting that she
is still IR even when quite thin. The low leptin suggests
that the IR is PPID driven, but her ACTH looks okay. Still
(and Dr. Kellon can correct me, please) I wonder if upping
her pergolide wouldn't help a little.Scarlet is
tres interesting, because she *isn't* following the
accepted norm of TB's not being prone to IR!  Quite a
juggling act for you. More exercise is always
better, if she can tolerate it. At 35, she will need to be
conditioned slowly. 
--
Jaini Clougher
(BSc,BVSc)Merlin (over the bridge)
,Maggie,Gypsy, Ranger
BC 09ECIR mod/supporthttps://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jaini%20and%20Merlin-Maggie-Gypsy


Re: Help , can I give Stabul Plus to my uncompensated IR mare.

Mimi Costley
 

Hi Jaini,
Scarlet's ACTH has always been okay. I am increasing her pergolide fall and early spring associated with what I assume are ulcers since she eats better when I put her back on antacid. I increased her from 3 to 4 mg in March. She has been on APF pro for a couple of years. I just switched to the Jiaugulan a few weeks ago. I do wish there was a way to know how much pergolide she needs especially since the cost is getting quite significant.
I did read somewhere that there is a line of TB's that are prone to Cushings but I guess not the IR. I was pushing oil maybe 1/4 even 1/2 cup per day and the alfalfa to get weight on her before I found out that was bad. so could be I forced her into IR?
She is slow to shed out, but looks like she is getting there.
Thanks, Mimi

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On Thu, 5/18/17, Jaini Clougher <merlin5clougher@gmail.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [ECIR] Help , can I give Stabul Plus to my uncompensated IR mare.
To: main@ECIR.groups.io
Date: Thursday, May 18, 2017, 4:39 PM

Hi, Mimi - Since she
does better on the ranitidine, then that is definitely to
way to go!  Similarly, if you suspect alfalfa was
originally a player in Scarlet's IR, don't go back
there.  It is interesting that she is still IR even
when quite thin. The low leptin suggests that the IR is PPID
driven, but her ACTH looks okay. Still (and Dr. Kellon can
correct me, please) I wonder if upping her pergolide
wouldn't help a little.Scarlet is tres
interesting, because she *isn't* following the accepted
norm of TB's not being prone to IR!  Quite a juggling
act for you. 
--
Jaini
Clougher (BSc,BVSc)Merlin (over
the bridge) ,Maggie,Gypsy, Ranger
BC
09ECIR
mod/supporthttps://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jaini%20and%20Merlin-Maggie-Gypsy


Re: DP Xray & hoof photo added(repost)

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

This is an example of the view needed to assess bone loss better:

http://horsesidevetguide.com/hsvg/OnlineDatabase/media/71.png
--
Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 

EC Owner 2001


Re: Laminitis Vaccine Offers Horse Owners a Preventive Tool

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Absolutely may quote me. Spread it around!
--
Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 

EC Owner 2001

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