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Re: metformin for a second try?
The changes were relatively small but there is some evidence in people that cabergoline can improve IR: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4499429/ We don't have much experience with cabergoline in PPID but I'm sure there will be horses with different dosage requirements.
EC Owner 2001
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Re: Regrowth of Hair
Hi Kathy, Have had a chance to look at Donna's CH. Have you had any testing done since last Fall? Going from results from last Fall, if she were mine I'd be bumping the pergolide dose, for sure. I'd also get the diet tightened up considerably. Maybe you just haven't had a chance to update the details?
Lorna in Eastern Ontario, Canada
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Re: How am I doing with April's feet - not being 'aggressive' enough?
Thanks Paula. Based on the speed which an effect is seen I don't think we have black walnut. I also don't think we would have it in the UK? but I will check with the guy I get the chips from to be sure. I think her feet are sloughing the dead stuff off as the rain has arrived - we haven't had any for weeks & now her feet are getting wet...... I will try to take more pictures when I file them today. -- Becky 2010 UK NRC
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Re: Regrowth of Hair
Hi Kathy, I can't help with an answer, but here is a clickable link to your CH: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Kathy%20and%20Donna
Lorna in Eastern Ontario, Canada
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Re: MAXISOY versus SPEEDIBEET for Cushings/IR
Hi Kylie, I've heard of a possible reaction here,too. What were the signs of the reactions you're familiar with?
Lorna in Eastern Ontario, Canada
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Re: Abdominal pitting edems
Karen Warne
Just an update... the ultrasound showed thickening 5-6mm in spots. The peritoneal tap cytology showed nothing abnormal at all - good news as no infection, no RBCs, no cancer... the urinalysis was normal, so he's not loosing protein in his urine. We started him on hydroxyzine 500 mg twice a day for 5 days, then 250 mg twice a day for 5 days in the event he is having some kind of allergic response. In addition, he is being hand walked 20 minutes/day and I am cold hosing his abdomen. The vet was out today to reassess Luke and to redraw the Hct and Total Protein. Luke's abdominal ventral edema is almost completely gone. He is afebrile and acting like he feels better. Our suspicions are that Luke had GI inflammation/ colitis due to the bute, resulting in protein-losing enterocolopathy... even though he was only on it for a short time. (1gm 2x/day for 7days, then 1gm 1x/day for 7 days). I am optimistic that his lab values will be improved. -- Karen and Luke May 1 2017 Northern California https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Karen%20and%20Luke
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Re: MAXISOY versus SPEEDIBEET for Cushings/IR
Hello Sandra Maxisoy is soy hulls whilst Speedibeet is beet pulp. Both are suitable carriers for minerals however with Speedibeet and its high iron if you have the resources of lots of water and time then RSR won't be an issue. I live in a low rain fall area of South Western QLD still currently in drought so I don't have the water to be able to do this. I also don't have the time and with seven horses that water is better going into their trough. I like soy hulls for the fact that if fits into my budget of feeding seven horses. Where I live there is almost a price different of $20 per bag so you can see why I choose Soy Hulls. There has been some reporting in Australia of horses reacting to soy hulls - personally I have never had a problem withi it. I do have to add Copra to some of my horses diets who poo poo the soy hulls on its own but a small handful of copra seems to pacify them. My PPID and IR ponies only get soy hulls. They seem to inhale it. If you're looking for a nutritional analysis for both http://www.mitavite.com/speedi_beet hopefully the FB analysis comes through. It's easy to compare the two by looking at these. So in a nutshell, budget, water, and time are your considerations. Cheers Kylie GS NRC+ QLD, Aus
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Regrowth of Hair
Kathy Thomas
Is it possible for a horse who seems to have shed out a winter coat to start to regrow it in May?
-- Kathy 2017 and Donna Harrowsmith, Ontario Donna Case History
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Re: Trim Evaluation for Luke please
Karen Warne
Hi Lavinia, The vet came today, as well as the farrier... using the X-rays they trimmed Luke's feet. I've uploaded pictures for your review and comments. The farrier is next scheduled in four weeks. The vet may come to that appointment as well. They both agreed with your comment about the heels being underrun at this time. Hopefully, over time that will improve... Thank you so much for your help and input. Karen and Luke May 1 2017 Northern California https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Karen%20and%20Luke
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Re: Trim Evaluation for Luke please
Jon and Heather Fowler
Lavinia, how do you determine whether your horse needs the soft, medium, or firm easy care pads?
Thanks, -- Heather Fowler January 2015 New River, AZ https://ecir.groups.io/g/ Marra's photos: https://ecir.groups.io/
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2 more f/u-Re: Please, please advise on getting IR controlled - Toons RH Meniscus Re-Injured
Dr. Kellon and Jaini- thank you for helping me breathe again. How could we do this without you? I will place an order for iodine tomorrow and talk to my vet about the Metformin. I read about a few downside risks with the latter. 1) Do I need to be cautious about supplementing the Metformin? I am throwing so much at this poor horse. 2) I am wondering if I should give the Thyro- L and the iodine a chance to get the thyroid functioning and then perhaps it may have some impacts on the glucose, insulin and leptin? Is this solely wishful thinking?
North Bay, CA April 2016 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Robyn%20and%20Toons
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MAXISOY versus SPEEDIBEET for Cushings/IR
Hello - trying to find info on Maxisoy versus Speedibeet as carrier for minerals for my mares. One is IR/Cushings, the other Compensated IR. In the past I have found Maxisoy (or the pelletised soy hull product) much easier/quicker to use. But beetpulp has been recommended by my equine diet consultant. Is there a file with pro's and con's for these products? Is there a reason beetpulp is recommended over soy hulls? I guess the rinse/soak/rinse process required for beetpulp seems quite wasteful of water and the waste looks SO dirty.
-- Sandra Weston Joined 6/7/2016Leeton, NSW, Australia Case Histories: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sandra%20and%20Molly https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sandra%20and%20Capri Molly’s Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=4424 Capri's Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=4441
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Re: metformin for a second try?
I read a bit more.. takeaway is that cabergoline might do double duty? control acth and insulin? at $375 a vial, the cost is $3.75 a day... quite manageable. and similar to what I pay for 14mg cp. Does 1 ml ( 5mg) every 10 days control acth regardless if a horse is using 1 mg or 25 mg of comp pergolide?--
LJ Friedman Nov 2014 San Diego, CA
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=2117 .https://ecir.groups.
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Re: Help , can I give Stabul Plus to my uncompensated IR mare.
Lavinia Fiscaletti
Hi Mimi, Are you using the Prascend for Scarlet's pergolide? As the dose goes up it certainly can put you in the poor house. Might want to examine switching to the compounded instead. Dante, Nappi and George over the Bridge Jan 05, RI EC Support Team
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Re: metformin for a second try?
thanks for your reply. My reading tells me that cabergoline is indicated if acth isnt well controlled with pergolide.. When I test soon, after a month or so on his new dose of 14mg, would you still be suggesting cabergoline if Jesse's acth is in the teens? ( from your last message I got the impression that other issues besides acth , have you suggesting cabergoline? I read all the post on cabergoline, but didnt find any files on this,...thanks- LJ Friedman Nov 2014 San Diego, CA
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=2117 .https://ecir.groups.
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Re: Laminitis Vaccine Offers Horse Owners a Preventive Tool
LeeAnne Bloye <ecir.archives@...>
I'll add it to the files.
-- - LeeAnne ECIR Archivist, Newmarket, Ontario March 2004 Email Me - if link fails use ECIR.Archives at gmail dot com Is your equine in the Pergolide Dosage Database? View the Pergolide Statistics Quote of the moment: The human spirit must prevail over technology. - Albert Einstein
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Re: Help , can I give Stabul Plus to my uncompensated IR mare.
Mimi Costley
Hi Jaini,
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By exercise I was just thinking of hand walking. Certainly too wobbly to ride. I don't think circles would be good for her. Sometimes she runs when turned out with feed bag or muzzle but not recently. The mule would run her if they went out together but I think that could lead to disaster. Thanks, Mimi Mimi and Scarlet Feb 2016 northern VA https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Mimi%20and%20Scarlet --------------------------------------------
On Thu, 5/18/17, Jaini Clougher <merlin5clougher@gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: [ECIR] Help , can I give Stabul Plus to my uncompensated IR mare. To: main@ECIR.groups.io Date: Thursday, May 18, 2017, 4:39 PM [Edited Message Follows] Hi, Mimi - Since she does better on the ranitidine, then that is definitely to way to go! Similarly, if you suspect alfalfa was originally a player in Scarlet's IR, don't go back there. It is interesting that she is still IR even when quite thin. The low leptin suggests that the IR is PPID driven, but her ACTH looks okay. Still (and Dr. Kellon can correct me, please) I wonder if upping her pergolide wouldn't help a little.Scarlet is tres interesting, because she *isn't* following the accepted norm of TB's not being prone to IR! Quite a juggling act for you. More exercise is always better, if she can tolerate it. At 35, she will need to be conditioned slowly. -- Jaini Clougher (BSc,BVSc)Merlin (over the bridge) ,Maggie,Gypsy, Ranger BC 09ECIR mod/supporthttps://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jaini%20and%20Merlin-Maggie-Gypsy
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Re: Help , can I give Stabul Plus to my uncompensated IR mare.
Mimi Costley
Hi Jaini,
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Scarlet's ACTH has always been okay. I am increasing her pergolide fall and early spring associated with what I assume are ulcers since she eats better when I put her back on antacid. I increased her from 3 to 4 mg in March. She has been on APF pro for a couple of years. I just switched to the Jiaugulan a few weeks ago. I do wish there was a way to know how much pergolide she needs especially since the cost is getting quite significant. I did read somewhere that there is a line of TB's that are prone to Cushings but I guess not the IR. I was pushing oil maybe 1/4 even 1/2 cup per day and the alfalfa to get weight on her before I found out that was bad. so could be I forced her into IR? She is slow to shed out, but looks like she is getting there. Thanks, Mimi --------------------------------------------
On Thu, 5/18/17, Jaini Clougher <merlin5clougher@gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: [ECIR] Help , can I give Stabul Plus to my uncompensated IR mare. To: main@ECIR.groups.io Date: Thursday, May 18, 2017, 4:39 PM Hi, Mimi - Since she does better on the ranitidine, then that is definitely to way to go! Similarly, if you suspect alfalfa was originally a player in Scarlet's IR, don't go back there. It is interesting that she is still IR even when quite thin. The low leptin suggests that the IR is PPID driven, but her ACTH looks okay. Still (and Dr. Kellon can correct me, please) I wonder if upping her pergolide wouldn't help a little.Scarlet is tres interesting, because she *isn't* following the accepted norm of TB's not being prone to IR! Quite a juggling act for you. -- Jaini Clougher (BSc,BVSc)Merlin (over the bridge) ,Maggie,Gypsy, Ranger BC 09ECIR mod/supporthttps://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jaini%20and%20Merlin-Maggie-Gypsy
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Re: DP Xray & hoof photo added(repost)
This is an example of the view needed to assess bone loss better: http://horsesidevetguide.com/hsvg/OnlineDatabase/media/71.png EC Owner 2001
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Re: Laminitis Vaccine Offers Horse Owners a Preventive Tool
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