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Re: Carroers

Kathy Thomas
 

Thanks, Bonnie.  I will  give it a try.  I am not too hopeful, though, as Donna does not like  “mushy” food.
Fingers crossed!
 
 

--
Kathy 2017 and Donna

Harrowsmith, Ontario

Donna Case History


Re: Test NOW for ACTH?

Maggie
 

Hi Sandy,


If it were me, I would also test this time for insulin, glucose and leptin.  Since this is the first time you will be using Cornell, it will establish a nice baseline for you to compare in future.  Also the swollen sheath is suspicious, so I would want to know not just his ACTH, but also his insulin and glucose values.  The leptin helps to differentiate if the insulin is elevated from the horse being IR at baseline or if an elevated ACTH is driving the insulin up.  It's good to know, and doesn't cost that much more to add it.  Here's a link to Cornell's ACTH tests (the glucose is added separately): 

https://ahdc.vet.cornell.edu/test/list.aspx?Species=Equine&WebDisc=&TstTyp=&Test_Name=acth 


We are still in the time of year when the ACTH should be at it's lowest.  You should retest the ACTH again in late summer/early fall to evaluate if you need to adjust the pergolide dose for the seasonal rise. 


Also, if you've been following along with the recent discussion of Chastetree berry, you might want to consider adding that to help Andy shed.  Here's a link to the conversation:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/topic/5170706#208278 


BTW, nice job on keeping your CH up to date!


Maggie, Chancey and Spiral in VA
March 2011
EC moderator/Primary Response


Re: Prascend and Chaste Tree berries

Lorna Cane
 

Hi Kathy,

I think she has your number. :-)

Frankly,I don't know why any horse would eat CTB. To me it smells like dirty socks. But,as in many cases,their taste/smell buds differ from ours.

She may not have been as disgusted as she was just trying to figure out the new odour. Or something.
In any case, we are often faced with this. It seems to me  we have 2 options. Walk away,or persist.

Rule of thumb,for me,is to use just a pinch of a new item,unless I know it will not be offensive. Sometimes it can be just put on top of the dampened 'meal'.My theory about why this works is that after that first gulp it's usually too late (yes,I know it can be spat out ) ,and the next gulp isn't offensive ,so the rest is eaten. I've been known to be wrong.
Usually, I put it( CTB + minerals,) on top of the wetted/ mushy soy hull pellets (not soy hulls, but soy hull pellets),and then I drop a blob of the mush on top of that combination,as opposed to mixing it in . 
He gets about 35 ounces of the pellets because he has few teeth, and this is more a meal than a 'carrier'. I'm not sure what Donna is getting ( please can you reread my post about adding a clickable link to her CH to your signature?),but maybe more carrier needs to be usd?

As with most people here, it's taken me a while to figure him out. And what works for him doesn't always work for the others. Nor does it work for him forever.
Patience is our best friend. Oh,and creativity. :-)

Above all don't give up.

--

Lorna in Eastern Ontario, Canada
ECIR Moderator 2002

 

 


Re: New Stability Testing Data for Pergolide #pergolidestrength

 

Claudia, thank you for this excellent information and especially about delivering the daily dose in a yum ball - great idea.

I do have concerns about human exposure to liquid formulations of pergolide and about how easily they're absorbed through the skin. After I talk my newest vet into a prescription for compounded pergolide, I'll look into that. 
--
Cass for Satra and Cayuse
Sonoma County, Calif. Oct. '12

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Cass%20and%20Satra%20-%20Cayuse


Re: New Stability Testing Data for Pergolide #pergolidestrength

Claudia Goodman
 

Sara,
The results of this stability testing appears at the top of this thread. PHP indicated that I could share the study results but not post the document with the results. I didn't ask questions; I was just glad to see some data on this. It was an outside lab (not PHP) in Colorado that ran the study and provided a Certificate of Study Analysis. They are in process of running this "Time Point Study" for the powder capsules as well.
--

Claudia & Silhouette  02/2014

California Central Coast 

Silhouette Case History


Re: New Stability Testing Data for Pergolide #pergolidestrength

Claudia Goodman
 

I didn't think the direct approach would work with my mare, but if it works with yours, it sure makes things easier!
(Hiding things in food almost always works for us.)
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Claudia & Silhouette  02/2014

California Central Coast 

Silhouette Case History


Re: New Stability Testing Data for Pergolide #pergolidestrength

Sara Gooch
 

Hi, I'm coming in late on this thread, and I apologize, but is the Pet Health Pharmacy pergolide suspension in oil really more stable longer than their capsules?  Is there a link somewhere to their Stability Testing Data?  Also, thanks for the idea of LMF "meatballs."  I plan on trying that with the capsules.
Thanks--
Sara, 2011, NE California


Re: New Stability Testing Data for Pergolide #pergolidestrength

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Syringing directly into the mouth is fine.
--
Lavinia and George Too

Dante, Nappi and George over the Bridge

Jan 05, RI

EC Support Team


Re: Photo Album Added for Mary and Booker

LeeAnne Bloye <ecir.archives@...>
 

You did fabulous Mary.  
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- ​LeeAnne

ECIR Archivist, Newmarket, Ontario March 2004

Email Me - if link fails use ECIR.Archives at gmail dot com

Is your equine in the Pergolide Dosage Database? View the Pergolide Statistics

  Dawn's 10 Year Case History
     Taken For Granite Art

 

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Re: New Stability Testing Data for Pergolide #pergolidestrength

Amy
 

I am syringing it directly in the mouth. Is that ok??!!
--
Amy   May 2016

 

Hammondsport New York

Kat Case History


Re: Prascend and Chaste Tree berries

Kathy Thomas
 

Thank you Lorna. What do you use for a carrier? Donna smelled the CTB and curled her lip up in disgust.

Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Fido network.

--
Kathy 2017 and Donna

Harrowsmith, Ontario

Donna Case History


Re: New Stability Testing Data for Pergolide #pergolidestrength

Claudia Goodman
 

Cass - Sorry I did not address your question about protective gloves. I saw no note from PHP about that, nor discussed it when I  spoke with them on the phone, so I don't really know. They will certainly answer any questions you have -- they were very helpful when I spoke with their pharmacist on the phone and via email.
--

Claudia & Silhouette  02/2014

California Central Coast 

Silhouette Case History


Test NOW for ACTH?

Sandy Carr
 

Hi all,

Not until I started reviewing the website did I realize I was supposed to re-test ACTH for Andy long, long ago...for dosage accuracy.  (Vet didn't tell me squat.)

Andy has not shed out to the slick horse he has been before and we are in NM with days in the mid to high 80s, nights in the 50s.  I have found him a few times sweaty in his groin area but no where else, even when humidity has been below 10%.  I had one person remark his sheath looked swollen.

So, with him at 49 ACTH (from lab: "mid-November through mid-July = > 35 is supportive of Cushing's") on 3/8 and on 1 mg Prascend since 3/20 I guess it is high time to re-test.  Do you think I could consider the result accurate as a pre-season rise result?

Along with the ACTH I would have a test for glucose and insulin also, correct?  How important is it to also test for leptin?

Thank you very much.
--
Sandy

 

March 2017, Corona, New Mexico, USA

Case History:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sandy%20and%20Andy . 
                        https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=6171 .


Re: New Stability Testing Data for Pergolide #pergolidestrength

Claudia Goodman
 

Cass,

The liquid pergolide in oil suspension comes in a cough syrup like container with a dispensing top that couples to a syringe also supplied by PHP.
Pretty easy to use: after shaking vigorously, insert syringe into the coupler on top of container, turn upside down and syringe out specified amount (printed on label). Caution - use a permanent marker to show where the required volume is on the syringe as the volume marks fade with repeated use. I fill the syringe in the house and carry it down to the barn; the syringe has a cover on the tip to keep contents from leaking out or contamination.

I experimented (successfully) to find a way to get the dose into my mare: Using pellets (I use LMF low starch stage one), make a mash - then add enough water to be able to mold a portion of it into a meatball sized ball. I played with the consistency a bit to get it just right so that it held together well as I handled it. Once the "meatball" is firm, push a hole into it, about halfway in, deliver about .5ml of the syringe into the hole, then cover the hole with a bit more mash. Feed immediately.(My mare requires two "meatballs" for her 1 ml daily dose. Trying to get a full 1 ml into the ball didn't work as well for me.) She eats the balls up easily! 

If you try this approach, I suggest you feed "blanks" first to make sure your mare easily takes it before adding the pergolide suspension. Once my mare tries it and likes it, she just gobbles up the medicated balls. 

So far, it seems to be working well. Not as easy as administering a capsule, but I have much more confidence at this point in the stability of this product from PHP.
--

Claudia & Silhouette  02/2014

California Central Coast 

Silhouette Case History


Re: 2015 Equine Endocrinology Group recommendations on PPID

Lorna Cane
 

Mary, can you also include your signature,including name,location,date of joining,and a link to your Case History,if you have one?

--

Lorna in Eastern Ontario, Canada
ECIR Moderator 2002

 

 


Re: 2015 Equine Endocrinology Group recommendations on PPID

Mary Gills
 


2015 Equine Endocrinology Group recommendations on PPID

Mary Gills
 

I was getting ready to test my mare for PPID so I was reviewing the information in the files.  A friend sent me this link which recommends TRH testing in horses with minimal clinical symptoms.  I would love some feedback.

Mary
Steamboat Springs


Re: Beet pulp

Josephine Trott
 

Hi Dr Kellon,

I had this discussion about soaking/rinsing to get rid of Iron in beetpulp with another group and the person arguing that it worked to get rid of iron was comparing the DM values of pre-soaked beet pulp to values of wet (not DM basis) R/S/R beet pulp. I see in the files there are two analyses -one for RSR beetpulp and the other for standlee beet pulp pellets. On a DM basis, the ESC&starch and WSC are all reduced by about 50% or more, as are potassium and sodium but the iron only changes from 383 to 313 mg/lb. Is that really a significant decrease? Is it repeatable or a sampling/measuring variation? I know rinsing will get rid of dirt in the beetpulp which may contain varying levels of iron but does the soaking really remove iron from within the beetpulp? Given it doesn’t remove iron from hay (just sugars and potassium) I’m struggling to understand how it could remove significant amounts of iron from beetpulp (apart from a little being removed with washing off dirt).

Thanks
Josie
Davis CA 06/09


Re: Ready to start Jiaogulan - 2nd post

Sandy Carr
 

Hi Sue,

I would love to take up your offer of the Jiaogulan!  I am getting ready to start Andy on it and he has quite a way to come before he will be back to his real self.  I'm sorry you are horseless now...but appreciate your offer to share.  Do you need my mailing address and can I reimburse you for shipping?

Take care, and thanks.
--
Sandy

 

March 2017, Corona, New Mexico, USA

Case History:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sandy%20and%20Andy . 
                        https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=6171 .


Re: Beet pulp

Helen Temps
 

Thank you so much everybody for the clarification.
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Helen Temps
Placerville, CA
June 2017

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