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Re: Halo's suspensory ligament issues

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Halo should be eating a minimum of 20 lbs of hay/day.  Depending on what is actually being eaten, total protein intake may be borderline and definitely would resume Tri-Amino, double dose.

Jiaogulan is a natural product and may vary from batch to batch even from reputable suppliers. Try another supplier, such as herbalcom.com, and see if anything is different.
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Eleanor in PA

 

www.drkellon.com 

EC Owner 2001


moderated Re: Metabarol

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Cassie,

Is your case history up to date?  I ask because a drop from an insulin of 102 to 90, especially when the first one was during active laminitis, is not a very good testimonial for the supplements she was on.
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Eleanor in PA

 

www.drkellon.com 

EC Owner 2001


Re: Studies regarding best body condition score for IR?

 

These look like lighter boned version of Belgians as well.  I understand about the fat, but I can imagine people mistaking muscle for fat while trying to achieve the same sleek profile???  I am having reverse problems with my non OR drafty Fjord who is 28 and has lost top line.  He looks skinny to me when he loses the fat that was filling in his top line.
Gail in Forestville .CA.  July 2009.  Brother PPID.



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moderated Re: Metabarol

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Cassie,

Until all the details are published, or we have group members that can provide detailed information, we won't jump on any bandwagon. For one thing, statistical significance (or lack thereof) does not necessarily correlate well with clinical significance. We also need to know all the details of the management.  Without the details you can't even formulate intelligent questions.
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Eleanor in PA

 

www.drkellon.com 

EC Owner 2001


Re: killing grass that is growing into my dry lot

Lorna Cane
 

Hi Mary,

Go to our sister site for lots of information on this:
https://ecir.groups.io/g/Horsekeeping/messages

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Lorna in Eastern Ontario, Canada
ECIR Moderator 2002

 

 


Re: Studies regarding best body condition score for IR?

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

So-called "Riding" vs "Draft" individuals may have lighter bone and muscling (and vice versa) but fat does not enter into the equation. Look at these champion quality Belgians:

http://www.creeksidebelgians.com/shows.html
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Eleanor in PA

 

www.drkellon.com 

EC Owner 2001


Re: killing grass that is growing into my dry lot

 

Thank you, Bonnie, I think I will have to resort to Roundup as well, good idea to do only part of it and keeping them away from it for a week. Hoping that is long enough to be safe!
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Mary and Halo and Wellon

West Fargo, ND, USA

Joined spring 2016

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Mary%20and%20Halo

 


Re: Beyond frustrated

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

For minerals, do what Jill described recently.  Get a garden watering can, suspend the minerals in water and sprinkle it on her hay. Just make sure you don't use so much water that it soaks through the hay.  Once this becomes routine it will be a snap. It probably takes all of 2 minutes, max, to dump the minerals in the can, add water, swirl and sprinkle.

You won't like the suggestion for pergolide but the easiest really is to get a small syringe (5 mL), dissolve it in water and squirt in.  Your on again, off again appetite and failure to stabilize it may very well be due to her not eating all of it every day.  They don't have to like everything we do. Let her know it's not open for debate.
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Eleanor in PA

 

www.drkellon.com 

EC Owner 2001


Re: Studies regarding best body condition score for IR?

Bonnie
 

I am still wondering how 5 or 5.5 was found to be optimal as a body condition score for an IR horse. Were there owners who observed and noted the benefits of that level of fit shape, or has any study been done where blood tests revealed a positive effect at, say, 5 BCS?

Bonnie Ivey, Ontario 12/08
Lad: IR, PPID


Re: killing grass that is growing into my dry lot

Bonnie
 

I have had to resort to using Roundup twice each growing season. The paddock paradise track here is on a very rocky hillside so no machine can help. temporary electric fence is used to section off half the track and that area is treated using a hand pump sprayer. After a week I switch the horse to the that section and spray the remainder. I remove as many clumps of dead grass as possible by hand.
It takes about 6 weeks for grass to start regrowing. One horse is not enough to trample it down, however there used to be two horses here and then the grass did not require spraying. I got the concentrated Roundup from my hay supplier who has the necessary license and followed his instructions..

Bonnie Ivey 12/08
Lad: IR,PPID


Re: Feed Thru Fly Control Sugar

Lorna Cane
 

Hi Mary,

Try our sister site for more information on fly control.You have to join if you're not a member already. Nothing to it.

https://ecir.groups.io/g/Horsekeeping/messages

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Lorna in Eastern Ontario, Canada
ECIR Moderator 2002

 

 


Re: Stall Run bedding

Lorna Cane
 

Hi Lori,

Go to one of our sister sites, https://ecir.groups.io/g/Horsekeeping/messages,for tons of information about this.

You have to join,but it's quick and easy.
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Lorna in Eastern Ontario, Canada
ECIR Moderator 2002

 

 


Re: Studies regarding best body condition score for IR?

Bonnie
 

Beautiful!


Beyond frustrated

Helen Temps
 

I have never suffered from mental problems in my life but since dealing with Chloe for the last 3 months I think I may have become Manic/Depressive!  I am beyond frustrated, maybe I expect too much.  It seems like one thing improves and another goes to pot since starting her on the Prescend.  She has been on it since August 2 now, long enough I would think that any "veil" would be over.  Prior to giving her Prascend, she was eating her beet pulp, salt, flax, CB, E.  On day 2 of Prascend (given in a little handful of beetpulp, she refused to eat it, would not eat the BP at all, hay is eagerly anticipated though. Tried to feed her Prascend in a little bite of 'goody'.  She ate it, still refused BP w/salt, etc.  Next she refused the 'goody' with pill.  Finally wrapped the pill in the goody bar, packed bits of apple flavored bites around it and she ate it, finally.  (Figured a little sugar better than no pill).  Gave up on the BP and bought LMF.  She ate it readily with vitamins, flax in it (for 2 days) then refused it.  I left it there and at some point during the day she finally ate it.  Started coring a piece of carrot and stuffing the Prascend it it, which she ate for about a week, then refused to eat the carrot!!  Threw the pill in with LMF, salt only and she ate it for 2 days.  Then once again refusal of anything but hay. Back to LMF with salt, E, CB.  Got my custom balanced minerals/vitamins and mixed it in LMF with salt, flax, even threw in the Prascend she ate it 2 days and now won't eat it at all.  I am at my wits end with her and ready to eliminate any hay unless she eats her darn LMF mixture.  Problem is she is 5 miles away and I don't have all day to run back and forth and check to see if she has eaten it or not. I really don't want her going more than 12 hours without food.  I know I HAVE to get this stuff in her, but jeeze, does it have to be so hard??  Isn't 3 weeks long enough for any "veil" to be gone?  The good is so good and the bad so bad.  Her eyes have cleared,  she has lost weight, crest is soft, can ride her on trails without boots, good attitude.  I know I should be ecstatic but I just feel like a failure.  How in the world am I going to get her pill and minerals into her??  Should I cut back/eliminate the Prascend?    PLEASE don't suggest a syringe, that is such a fight with her.  I have tried it in the past with straight applesauce and I ended up with most of it on me.  She is highly offended by having stuff shoved in her mouth.   I don't know what to try next.  Should I just shoot myself?  
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Helen Temps and Chloe  June 2017
Placerville, CA
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Helen%20and%20Chloe.
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=6929


Stall Run bedding

Lorismorgans
 


Re: Studies regarding best body condition score for IR?

 

Do be aware that those are mostly the lighter built,  longer legged Fjords.  Not the drafted type.



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moderated Re: Metabarol

Cassie
 

Sorry for the crazy formatting in the previous post!  This seems like a decent summary, but is light on equine studies: https://ker.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Equine-Metabolic-Syndrome-Challenges-and-Advances.pdf
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Cassie

March 2017

Washington

Ellie Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Cassie%20and%20Ellie


Re: Studies regarding best body condition score for IR?

 

Gads, what superb-looking Fjords!  One doesn't usually get to see them in such nice condition, and most of us are much to used to seeing "fatty-puffs" as "normal" or "desirable".  (she said, well aware that one of her three horses is still too plump)
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Jaini Clougher (BSc,BVSc)

Merlin (over the bridge) ,Maggie,Gypsy, Ranger

BC 09
ECIR mod/support

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jaini%20and%20Merlin-Maggie-Gypsy

 

 


moderated Re: Metabarol

Paula Hancock
 

On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 01:12 pm, Cassie wrote:
I did find an equine study.  Perhaps the ECIR info needs to be updated?
Hi Cassie,
I did find that one as well but there was not a lot of information, so it is hard to evaluate.  I would definitely use appropriate management before adding in a drug that doesn't have much of a track record.  
If you or anyone else is using it, would you please update your case histories with all relevant information, including current diet, treats, pasture and blood work results?  If this is truly helpful for IR horses, it would be great to establish that.
Thanks!
 
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Paula with Cory (IR) and Onyx (IR/PPID)

 

Bucks County, PA, USA

ECIR Primary Response

NRCplus 2011  ECIR 2014 

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Paula%20and%20Cory

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=1624

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Paula%20and%20Onyx

 


Re: Charleys salt consumption

Cody jones
 

HI Janni interesting that you mentioned licking the salt block which is the usual way they do it. However Charley has figured out that he gets more by biting off a corner or other high spot. He just just drags his front teeth across it also. Mooses block is smooth Charleys is all marked up. 


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Matthew and Charley
St. Augustine, FL
July 2017

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