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Re: Glow - Severe IR and Suspected Cushings

Cindy Q
 

Also photos and details on djm sole pads here - they really do seem to visibly improve her comfort.
http://www.thelaminitissite.org/news/sole-support

--
Cindy - Sep 2017, Singapore
Glow Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Cindy%20and%20Glow
Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=9798


Re: Glow - Severe IR and Suspected Cushings

Cindy Q
 

Hi Lavinia

Thank you for the extra information.

On icing, I ran through the links quickly but I could not see anything about icing not being recommended. We have been icing regularly on vet advice. Could you point me a bit more in detail to relevant parts of the papers? I did previously read online several places that icing was good for laminitis, eg : http://www.thelaminitissite.org/laminitis.html (it mentions cyrotherapy) and https://www.americanfarriers.com/articles/5793-cryotherapys-role-in-preventing-and-managing-laminitis?v=preview
--
Cindy - Sep 2017, Singapore
Glow Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Cindy%20and%20Glow
Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=9798


Re: ADMIN - Unsolicited Marketing Emails

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Just email Nancy the info on who has contacted you privately at her addy:

threecatfarm "at" cyberpine "dot" net.

Replace the words "at" and "dot" with the symbols.
--
Lavinia and George Too

Dante, Peanut, Nappi and George over the Bridge

Jan 05, RI

ECIR Support Team


Re: Tucker has Cushings

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Hi Nicki,

Here is the link to your previous post:

https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/topic/5989530#211720

Here is the link to Jaini's response to you:

https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/message/211722

No more kicking yourself - you've done a lot of positive things for your little guy. Please let us know exactly what trouble you are having with the case history and we'll help get it figured out for you. Are you working off a phone or tablet?

It sounds like you are doing a lot of things right and that Tucker's diet is fairly tight.

In the meanwhile, can you please just post all the actual test results for us in a message: is that 25.6 an ACTH number? When was that test run - date? We need the units of measure that go along with that, plus what lab the test was sent to. Have you had insulin and glucose tested?

Would you be able to get pictures of Tucker's feet so we can be sure that the trim is optimal for him? And also get us copies of the latest xrays?

Can you please sign your posts with your name, general location and year of joining so we can better answer your questions. There also may be someone in your general area that can help if we know what area that is. You can set up an auto signature so you don't need to remember to do it each time you post. Just click on the Subscription tab in the upper left corner of your screen. This takes you to your info - scroll down to the box where you can put in your signature, fill it in, then scroll down a bit further and hit Save.

Hang in there, I'm sure we can help you figure out what is going on with your boy.
--
Lavinia and George Too

Dante, Peanut, Nappi and George over the Bridge

Jan 05, RI

ECIR Support Team


Re: ADMIN - Unsolicited Marketing Emails

Nancy C
 

On Sun, Oct 1, 2017 at 10:15 am, regina bruno wrote:
 ummm.....how?
--
Regina and Smokey
June 26, 2017
Laurelville,  Ohio
threecatfarm "at" cyberpine "dot" net
 
--
Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003

 

Save the date! The ECIR Group Inc. NO Laminitis! Conference, October 27-29, Tucson, AZ

Learn the facts about IR, PPID, equine nutrition, exercise and the foot
ECIRhorse.org
Check out the FACTS on Facebook
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Support the ECIR Group Inc., the nonprofit arm of the ECIR Group
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Re: ADMIN - Unsolicited Marketing Emails

regina bruno
 

On Sun, Oct 1, 2017 at 05:34 am, Nancy C wrote:
Hi Regina

Would you please private message me about this?

Thanks.

threecatfarm "at" cyberpine "dot" net
--
Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003

 

The ECIR Group Inc. NO Laminitis! Conference, October 27-29, Tucson, AZ
www.nolaminitis.org

Learn the facts about IR, PPID, equine nutrition, exercise and the foot
ECIRhorse.org
Check out the FACTS on Facebook
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Support the ECIR Group Inc., the nonprofit arm of the ECIR Group
ecirhorse.org



 ummm.....how?
--
Regina and Smokey
June 26, 2017
Laurelville,  Ohio

 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Regina%20and%20Smokey  .
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=8316  .


Re: 2017 NO Laminitis! Conference - DON'T PUT IT OFF!

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Chris, best thing is to contact the hotel directly. They can tell you or maybe recommend something in the vicinity.
--
Lavinia and George Too

Dante, Peanut, Nappi and George over the Bridge

Jan 05, RI

ECIR Support Team


Re: Glow - Severe IR and Suspected Cushings

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Hi Cindy,

I took a look - thanks for adding the pix, which are helpful. Need to get the toes backed up and get the flared material removed. All that cracked, crumbling wall is part of the laminar wedge - get rid of all of it. Definitely overdue on the trim, whatever the time frame has been.

There is sole to work with on both hinds so can drop the heels a tiny bit on the LH along with removing the excess amount of hoof wall and sole. Leave the relative height of the heels alone on the RH but remove the overall excess wall and sole height. If she is sore when being trimmed, provide her with soft padding to stand on - padded boots on the other feet; folded up pads as a cushion; think outside the box if needed. Worst case scenario - vet can nerve block the feet so she is comfortable. I'm a trimmer so know that this can be an issue - it requires patience. Just need to find a way to get the trim done rather than not doing it.

Laminitis should not be iced - see here for more info:

https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/files/Pain%20Medication%20and%20Alternatives/Why%20NSAIDs%20&%20Icing%20Are%20Not%20Recommended%20.pdf

What are djm sole pads?

Her relapse was likely a combination of things. She was probably teetering on the edge, the trim wasn't tight and she definitely should not have been trotting on those destabilized feet. Once the trim is optimized, diet tightened up and pergolide has stabilized the PPID (if that is part of the problem) then she should be able to return to work AFTER she has had some time to grow out at least half the laminitis damage. That means no formal work for several months, although she can start to be turned out in a dry lot type situation once she is comfortable. Then, hand walking daily for exercise can be added after a couple of weeks of comfort, increasing time weekly. She should remain in boots with flat pads in them at any time she is not comfortable.

The hay analysis was done using NIR testing protocls so the ESC + Starch numbers may not be reliable. The report lists the dry matter numbers - you need the as fed numbers, which is actually a good thing as that means the ESC+Starch is actually going to be lower than is currently listed. Calcium is high, iron is high so really need to get this balanced as additional copper, zinc and phosphorus will be crucial.
--
Lavinia and George Too

Dante, Peanut, Nappi and George over the Bridge

Jan 05, RI

ECIR Support Team


Re: 2017 NO Laminitis! Conference - DON'T PUT IT OFF!

Nancy C
 

I do not know about pet care, however, perhaps the Hilton and/or our host will.

Will respond to you privately as well.
--
Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003

 

Save the date! The ECIR Group Inc. NO Laminitis! Conference, October 27-29, Tucson, AZ

Learn the facts about IR, PPID, equine nutrition, exercise and the foot
ECIRhorse.org
Check out the FACTS on Facebook
https://www.facebook.com/ECIRGroup
Support the ECIR Group Inc., the nonprofit arm of the ECIR Group
ecirhorse.org



Re: 2017 NO Laminitis! Conference - DON'T PUT IT OFF!

Chris Mason
 

Are you aware if there is any sort of day care pet facility at the hotel?  I assume that Tucson is too warm for my little terrier to stay in the truck with the windows down, which for security reasons I don’t like to do anyway.  Any info would be appreciated.

 

Chris

From: main@ECIR.groups.io [mailto:main@ECIR.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nancy C
Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2017 10:06 AM
To: main@ECIR.groups.io
Subject: [ECIR] 2017 NO Laminitis! Conference - DON'T PUT IT OFF!

 

Time is flying!

From lining up food, audio, lectures, handouts, and so very much more, the Conference Committee is doing extraordinary work getting ready for a great conference.

If you have not booked your room, do it now. The Hilton discount and room block expires on this Tuesday, October 3. Any remaining in the block set aside for the NO Laminitis! Conference will be released next week. Here is the handy link:

https://www.nolaminitis.org/venue-info.php

Book your airport shuttle service with Adobe Transportation by October 14th and receive an extra $5 off the round trip fair.

http://www.adobetransportation.com/

Registration for the conference closes October 22 but don’t wait! We have only 30 seats left available. Register now!

https://www.nolaminitis.org/registration.php

Tickets for $280 include all lectures, breakout sessions, Thursday night Meet and Greet at the Hilton, Friday dinner, and Friday and Saturday lunches. Breakfast is included with your room at the Tucson Hilton East.

Continuing education credits are available for veterinary and hoof professionals.*

For new ECIR members, here are the details:

When:      The weekend of October 27 - 29, 2017
Where:     Tucson Hilton East, Tucson, AZ

Speakers:

  • Eleanor M. Kellon, VMD
  • Robert M. Bowker, VMD, PhD
  • Jaini Clougher, BSc, BVSc
  • Kathleen Gustafson, PhD
  • Lisa Lancaster, DVM, PhD
  • Lavinia Fiscaletti, BS - Moderator/Senior ECIR Group Volunteer
  • Paige Poss, APF, Anatomy of the Equine, LLC       
  • Carol Layton, BSc, M.Ed, Balanced Equine Nutrition

All lecture and schedule information here:

https://www.nolaminitis.org/conference-schedule.php

Can’t wait to see you all!

The 2017 NO Laminitis! Conference Committee

Thank you to our Benefactors for their generous donations for this major 2017 ECIR Group Inc. fundraising event. Please tell these companies you appreciate their support the next time you talk with them or visit their web site. Many will be attending the conference.

DIAMOND BENEFACTORS
California Trace
Soft-Ride Equine Comfort Boots
Auburn Laboratories, Inc. - APF
Forageplus
Uckele
Mad Barn

PLATINUM BENEFACTORS
Triple Crown Feed and Ontario Dehy
Beetebites
Hay Chix
Emerald Valley Natural Health
EponaShoe

GOLD BENEFACTORS
Black Horse Spirit
Anderson Feed - NuZu Feed
Omega Fields
Wedgewood Pharmacy
Equi-Analytical
HorseTech, Inc.
My Best Horse
Sox For Horses

BRONZE BENEFACTORS
Ration Plus 
Yank Gulch Equine, LLC
Great Plains Forage Balance
New England Equine Balance
Jane Heart, LLC
Desert Equine Balance
Pegasus Veterinary Center
Shotgun Equine Nutrition
Nose-It
Post University


*Continuing Education for Veterinary Professionals:

This program 817-29300 is approved by the AAVSB RACE to offer a total of 13.00 CE Credits (13.00 max) being available to any one veterinarian, and/or 13.00 Veterinary Technician CE Credits (13.00 max). This RACE approval is for the subject matter categories of Category One: Scientific using the delivery method of Seminar/Lecture. This approval is valid in jurisdictions which recognize AAVSB RACE, however, participants are responsible for ascertaining each board's CE requirements. RACE does not "accredit" or "endorse" or "certify" any program or person, nor does RACE approval validate the content of the program.

CONTINUING EDUCATION FOR HOOF PROS

Pacific Hoof Care Practitioners (PHCP) has approved 20 Elective or CE credits for members attending the 2017 NO Laminitis Conference. http://www.pacifichoofcare.net/

This event has been approved for 21 American Association of Professional Farriers (AAPF) Continuing Education Credits. For more information visit their website: www.ProfessionalFarriers.com
--
Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003

 

The ECIR Group Inc. NO Laminitis! Conference, October 27-29, Tucson, AZ
www.nolaminitis.org

Learn the facts about IR, PPID, equine nutrition, exercise and the foot
ECIRhorse.org
Check out the FACTS on Facebook
https://www.facebook.com/ECIRGroup
Support the ECIR Group Inc., the nonprofit arm of the ECIR Group
ecirhorse.org


Tucker has Cushings

nicki
 

Hi, I have to admit that I'm a bit overwhelmed by the case history process.  I posted a while back about my mini horse Tucker.  I can't find my original email.  I have been reading all of the posts to find more solutions for my guy.  He has been laminitic on and off for 2 years. I'm angry with myself for not checking him for cushings sooner...he tested positive but a low number 25.6.  He is ~16, he doesn't have any signs of cushings.  He is on 1/4 tab prascend for 19 days now.  Since he's been here he has been fed minerals balanced to the hay with balanced Tim cubes, yea sac, flax, vet e, I have also had him on jiaoagulan, alcar, coQ10 and vanadium chromium.  He's happiest with his buddies (6 donkeys 4 other mini horses, 3 ex racers - they are kept in the paddock areas) He's on very little to no grass, I have created a paddock paradise track to keep all the minis and donkeys active and off grass.  I've been working with my farrier to keep him well trimmed.  He's been radiographed which showed a slight rotation in both fronts but very slight.   I'm not seeing any progress.  I have been looking for cbd oil to take the edge off his pain.  I don't give him any pain killers i.e. butte.  I guess my question is..how long do I wait to see some results and is there anything else I can be doing for him.   I am so happy to have found this forum.  My vets (and I've worked with 4 now) have been very little help.  I had a call with Dr Harman from Harmany equine who was great but I never heard from her again so I'm hoping this site will give me greater insight.  I am also signed up for the No Laminitis conference to educate myself more.  All my other animals are healthy and happy, tucker is a real mystery BUT I won't give up on him! 


2017 NO Laminitis! Conference - DON'T PUT IT OFF!

Nancy C
 

Time is flying!

From lining up food, audio, lectures, handouts, and so very much more, the Conference Committee is doing extraordinary work getting ready for a great conference.

If you have not booked your room, do it now. The Hilton discount and room block expires on this Tuesday, October 3. Any remaining in the block set aside for the NO Laminitis! Conference will be released next week. Here is the handy link:

https://www.nolaminitis.org/venue-info.php

Book your airport shuttle service with Adobe Transportation by October 14th and receive an extra $5 off the round trip fair.

http://www.adobetransportation.com/

Registration for the conference closes October 22 but don’t wait! We have only 30 seats left available. Register now!

https://www.nolaminitis.org/registration.php

Tickets for $280 include all lectures, breakout sessions, Thursday night Meet and Greet at the Hilton, Friday dinner, and Friday and Saturday lunches. Breakfast is included with your room at the Tucson Hilton East.

Continuing education credits are available for veterinary and hoof professionals.*

For new ECIR members, here are the details:

When:      The weekend of October 27 - 29, 2017
Where:     Tucson Hilton East, Tucson, AZ

Speakers:
  • Eleanor M. Kellon, VMD
  • Robert M. Bowker, VMD, PhD
  • Jaini Clougher, BSc, BVSc
  • Kathleen Gustafson, PhD
  • Lisa Lancaster, DVM, PhD
  • Lavinia Fiscaletti, BS - Moderator/Senior ECIR Group Volunteer
  • Paige Poss, APF, Anatomy of the Equine, LLC       
  • Carol Layton, BSc, M.Ed, Balanced Equine Nutrition
All lecture and schedule information here:

https://www.nolaminitis.org/conference-schedule.php

Can’t wait to see you all!

The 2017 NO Laminitis! Conference Committee

Thank you to our Benefactors for their generous donations for this major 2017 ECIR Group Inc. fundraising event. Please tell these companies you appreciate their support the next time you talk with them or visit their web site. Many will be attending the conference.

DIAMOND BENEFACTORS
California Trace
Soft-Ride Equine Comfort Boots
Auburn Laboratories, Inc. - APF
Forageplus
Uckele
Mad Barn

PLATINUM BENEFACTORS
Triple Crown Feed and Ontario Dehy
Beetebites
Hay Chix
Emerald Valley Natural Health
EponaShoe

GOLD BENEFACTORS
Black Horse Spirit
Anderson Feed - NuZu Feed
Omega Fields
Wedgewood Pharmacy
Equi-Analytical
HorseTech, Inc.
My Best Horse
Sox For Horses

BRONZE BENEFACTORS
Ration Plus 
Yank Gulch Equine, LLC
Great Plains Forage Balance
New England Equine Balance
Jane Heart, LLC
Desert Equine Balance
Pegasus Veterinary Center
Shotgun Equine Nutrition
Nose-It
Post University


*Continuing Education for Veterinary Professionals:

This program 817-29300 is approved by the AAVSB RACE to offer a total of 13.00 CE Credits (13.00 max) being available to any one veterinarian, and/or 13.00 Veterinary Technician CE Credits (13.00 max). This RACE approval is for the subject matter categories of Category One: Scientific using the delivery method of Seminar/Lecture. This approval is valid in jurisdictions which recognize AAVSB RACE, however, participants are responsible for ascertaining each board's CE requirements. RACE does not "accredit" or "endorse" or "certify" any program or person, nor does RACE approval validate the content of the program.

CONTINUING EDUCATION FOR HOOF PROS

Pacific Hoof Care Practitioners (PHCP) has approved 20 Elective or CE credits for members attending the 2017 NO Laminitis Conference. http://www.pacifichoofcare.net/

This event has been approved for 21 American Association of Professional Farriers (AAPF) Continuing Education Credits. For more information visit their website: www.ProfessionalFarriers.com
--
Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003

 

The ECIR Group Inc. NO Laminitis! Conference, October 27-29, Tucson, AZ
www.nolaminitis.org

Learn the facts about IR, PPID, equine nutrition, exercise and the foot
ECIRhorse.org
Check out the FACTS on Facebook
https://www.facebook.com/ECIRGroup
Support the ECIR Group Inc., the nonprofit arm of the ECIR Group
ecirhorse.org



Re: Jiaogulan

DawnC
 

Thank you Lorna & Nancy !!

Dawn & Roma
Delaware
August 2011


OT: we have space for a 4th roomie at the No Laminitis conference

Karen Ward
 

I reserved a room with two queen beds at the Hilton, where the conference takes place.  Patrice Sager and Amy Diehl, my colleagues at Pacific Hoofcare Practitioners, are signed on to room with me, and are willing to scoot over and give a fourth person a room at the inn.  Cost will be $30/night plus taxes.  Maybe message me privately through this group?  (I haven't done that before and don't know if it will notify me that I have a message through my personal email.)

--Karen Ward, PHCP


Re: Glow - Severe IR and Suspected Cushings

Cindy Q
 

Hi Lavinia

Just to let you know, I managed to get a set of hoof pics for LF and RF today with my vet and Glow really does look to us overdue for a trim and I'm asking when she was last done. We have a new manager started barely a month or less ago but another staff covering has kept records. Thankfully, Glow's already been scheduled for Monday and I hope no postponements on the farrier side - he can be hard to catch as he goes back and forth between racing. Today, Vet took off the djm to check. Iced. We took some pics and put back the djm sole pads. Looking at the pics at home now on the computer I see my pics really could have been better...the sole ones are blurry to boot. We had to be quick as she was wanting to snatch one foot back as I was trying to get the exposure better because it was a bit dark inside the stable (so she could stand on rubber mats). I tried to sweep the shavings aside. Sorry about the pics clarity.

Vet says she will show him the xrays that already have the markups. She remembers that farrier always takes toe off for Glow and not heel. But there have been some long bouts in between where he had postponed and/or said she was too sore to trim. She says he would insist on xrays for tricky cases before working on them. As she was improving steadily since April this year we hadn't done any updated xrays for awhile.

We did not open up the hind feet sole pads/wraps so no pics.

I think no need to rush an additional markups as I don't think I can get them to him in time but I thought still good to take some pics so I have the visual where she is at now and I uploaded for the record. 

We are still wondering between us if her relapse was caused by 1) cushings. Will revert when blood test done or 2) some change in the feed that we were not aware of. Even with the amount of ESC + starch in one of the 2 batches of hay, it seems it may have been under 10% if majority of her daily ration is soaked 1hr cold water or 3) the first time she took a dip was after we started the ridden trot. It was like 1 or 2 min of trot the first time. She had 2 days off. Then she had another ride where she trotted about 50m. After that she was very visibly sore immediately. The timing is so close to her being sore that I was telling the vet it just seems logical that was the trigger? That may have been too much strain for her feet and the inflammation flared up is what I'm thinking.

Waiting to hear back from Balanced Equine.

Thank you very much
--
Cindy - Sep 2017, Singapore
Glow Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Cindy%20and%20Glow
Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=9798


Re: ADMIN - Unsolicited Marketing Emails

Nancy C
 

Hi Regina

Would you please private message me about this?

Thanks.

threecatfarm "at" cyberpine "dot" net
--
Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003

 

The ECIR Group Inc. NO Laminitis! Conference, October 27-29, Tucson, AZ
www.nolaminitis.org

Learn the facts about IR, PPID, equine nutrition, exercise and the foot
ECIRhorse.org
Check out the FACTS on Facebook
https://www.facebook.com/ECIRGroup
Support the ECIR Group Inc., the nonprofit arm of the ECIR Group
ecirhorse.org



Re: Is choke and pulled stifle a symptom of something?

JGS
 

Hi Lorna:
I was able to get Sonny's CH updated and uploaded tonight. Thanks for taking a look.


Jessi is on mix of timothy, OG, and alfalfa pellets, Haystack low carb/low fat, BP, Horse Guard, vit E, magnesium, ground flax, monosodium phosphate to balance beet pulp, iodized salt, sometimes TRi-Aminos when Sonny won't eat them. Nothing is tested.

--
Joan

 

Feb 2017, Sherwood, OR

Case History https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Joan%20and%20Sonny

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=4355  .


Re: Jesse sound at exercise

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Hi Lj,

I've added the mark-ups to Jesse's album:

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=2117&p=pcreated,,,20,2,0,0

As we've discussed, the RF toe is way too long at ground level. The other three are fairly close to where they need to be. All four feet have soles that have been thinned too much and frogs that are being over trimmed. This is removing all the calloused sole/frog and leaving the frogs/soles vulnerable to constant bruising. Jesse's heels are all tending to be contracted and the frogs narrow. Both of these are causing him discomfort and leading him to want to land toe first, which is making the situation worse. He needs to remain in padded boots at all times except for a couple of hours daily where he has the boots off so his feet can dry out and get some air - and so can the boots. NOTHING should be removed from the bottoms of any of the feet at all until the soles/frogs/heels have time to build up to a proper thickness. This can be gauged by measuring the depth of the collateral grooves at their deepest point - once they are 1'' or more in depth in the back half of the foot and 3/4" depth at the tip of the frog, then you can start thinking about touching them.

His boots should have a good bevel added to the fronts from 9-3 o'clock and to the heels as well to help ease landings if this hasn't been done already.

Composite RF: Back up the toe to remove the excess length and set the breakover correctly for where the bony column needs it to be. The HPA is now slightly broken back (purple line), meaning the bony column dips back away from being in alignment (pink line). Where he pink line hits the ground is where the break over should be located. everything at ground level ahead of this is excess length. The green line is where the dorsal wall should be located - everything outside of it is laminar wedge material. The green line IS NOT a trim line, it's for informational purposes. Only back the toe to the blue line - I've blacked out the excess toe material on the xrya/whited out on the picture to simulate what it should look like when finished. The purple arrow denotes the need to add more height to the back half of the foot in relation to the front half in order to lift the "sag" in the bony column back into position. Red line is where the bottom of the foot should but isn't as too much has been taken off the bottom.

RF sole: Blue hashes are what should be removed. The green/blue solid lines are about where the actual hoof should be if it were healthy and properly shaped. Note that nothing else on the bottom should be touched.

LF lateral xray: Same parameters as the RF except that the toe just needs to have a strong mustang roll/bevel applied instead of removing a lot of material as it is almost in the correct position. Back of the foot is again too low in relation to the front causing the HPA to be broken back.

RH lateral: The dorsal wall has a bull nosed configuration (green line). This generally means the coffin bone is in a ground parallel position rather than having a positive palmer angle. Need to back the toe (blue hashed area) to help lower the front half of the foot in relation to the back half. Need to continue to do this until there is enough sole depth and added vertical heel height to get the increased palmer angle.

LH dorsal: The LH appears to be a bit high in the lateral front quarter. The blue lines follow a couple of the growth rings - see how they bulge upwards, then back down. The  bulged up area corresponds to the part of the wall that is longer than the areas adjacent to it. Need to lower that area somewhat to bring it into alignment with the rest of
the wall and ease the pressure on the coronary band. The lateral wall also flares a bit (yellow line) so bring it inward a bit.

Although his heels are still a bit under run (although improved from before) you cannot do anything more about them until there is enough sole depth and heel height to work with. In the process of moving them back, they have been inadvertently lowered too much causing the bony column to dip rearward. Concentrate on getting the toes to where they need to be for now and leave the heels alone except to bevel them back a bit toward the heel bulbs to help ease landings and to encourage them to remain in place without actually working on them.
--
Lavinia and George Too

Dante, Peanut, Nappi and George over the Bridge

Jan 05, RI

ECIR Support Team


Message Posting Etiquette - Keeping ECIR User Friendly, Sun, 10/1/17 #cal-notice

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Message Posting Etiquette - Keeping ECIR User Friendly

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Message Posting Etiquette

This is a high volume group that can be difficult to follow. Help make it easier for everyone by following the Message Posting Guidelines below:
1) Sign your posts. This is a very large group.  Whenever posting a message, identify yourself and your equine by using your full ECIR Signature with your first name, location, the date you joined and the links to your Case History folder and Photo Album. The volunteers need all this information to provide quality responses and suggestions for local support, vendors, vets, hoof care, etc. 
 
2) Be clear in your posts. If you need to quote a line this is most easily done using the web to reply (not from email). Once you have the message you want to reply to on your screen, copy the text you want quoted, then paste it into the reply message composer.  Highlight the text you are quoting and then click on the quotation marks in the toolbar.  
3) Be considerate of the Support Team. They volunteer to help members in their spare time. Many have full time jobs. Unless you are in an emergency read the Start Here Files and check the archives to see if your question has been answered before.  Many new member's questions are answered there.
4) Discussion should always take place on the forums so all members can learn from the conversation and the support team can help clear up confusion.  
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Trying to understand uncompensated IR results

Patty Franklin
 

Dear Dr. Kellon and moderators,

I'm having my horse tested again next week. I plan to test ATCH, insulin, glucose and leptin. We last did this in June (numbers in Case History). This is the first year that my mare is on pergolide (presently at 2 mg compounded, based on an ATCH of 49 on Aug 23, 2017). CH is up-to-date. However, I went back and ran the baseline numbers through the calculator and saw that my mare is considered to have uncompensated IR. She is on a gravel paddock and is presently getting 14 lbs of low-sugar hay, some of which is also soaked. I was trying to help her feel "fuller." Am I suppose to be trying to get her to "compensated" IR levels? If so, I don't know what to do.

G:I ratio: 0.90
RISQI: 0.08
MIRG: -22
Leptin: 23.85

Thank you, everyone, for all your help. I couldn't help this pony without you!
--
Helen Connor and Blessing (IR/PPID)
May 2017
Scappoose, OR  USA

Blessing's Case History:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Helen%20and%20Blessing
Blessing's Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=6847 

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