Judy L. Meadows <marktime@...>

Thriving Pets has a thirty per cent discount on compounded Pergolide through October 31.  They moved from one state to another and had to re-establish their pharmacy.  My horse has done well on their Pergolide and their service has been very good.

Judy and Rudy  2015
Southwest Missouri

Judy in Southwest Missouri

Re: No panic - respond when you are back

Ann Conn

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Re: Winter laminitisand back on track

Josephine Trott

HI Heather,
I've used them since mid april every day on my morgan who strained an extensor tendon when he slipped on grass trying to run from a helicopter (in a 12x24ft pen mind you).  The first day I did as instructed and didn't leave on for more than 4 hours and his leg was definitely hot under the wrap at the end, but after that I've left them on for up to 40 hours at a time and the leg isn't that much hotter than under a regular standing wrap.  This is during CA summer (110F) and dry heat but he didn't develop any fungal or other skin conditions on that leg under the wrap - and he usually does get scratches on that leg as it's his only white one.  They are expensive but after 6 months of use, rotating between two wraps on that one leg so I can clean them regularly, there's little sign of wear.
Davis CA 06/09

Re: Monitoring Symptoms PDF. Now Safe Pasture Management

Carolyn beckstrom

Thanks Jaini, you always give such wonderful explanations for things here, very much appreciated.  I shouldn't have said that it was torture and I apologize.  I know we are all doing the very best we can to help our horses be happy, pain free and live as "normal" a life as possible.  it so darn hard sometimes to not transfer our emotions to them.

Berlin MA
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Sue Hansen

On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 03:37 am, Maggie wrote:
I just ordered an EcoOne spa filter from Amazon.  Thank you all for the input!
Sue H.
June 2017. Markle, IN USA
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Re: Monitoring Symptoms PDF. Now Safe Pasture Management

Julie Allen

Thanks jani and Lorna.
I am getting new perspectives on all of this with a more mature and lets get the understanding of it all attitude.

Carolyn~~ when I did start muzzling kayla with her hole open  after a bit she figured it out, and every day after that willingly walked up put her head in knowing this meant she got to go out and graze for a few hours., I stopped that when her ACTH numbers came  back so high. she has finally given up standing at the gate to go out when I show up..

my  new pony was on pasture when I got her, and hasn't had grass since showing up at my place. so far she is down almost 100 lbs have about 50 to go to have her in tip top shape..she is non lamantic so far.

I am hoping to get everyone to a place where they can go out with a muzzle not taped for a few hours a day, including my non IR ( yet ) arab who I have decided will learn to wear a grazing muzzle like everyone else..

Lorna I understand fully the 'mental place' you have to be in, every day when I got to the barn to feed,   kayla and her buddy walk over and stood by the gates to the pasture( i used to not feed breakfast just let them graze for breakfast and brought them in at lunch when it was too hot I have zero shade in my pasture.)
it is a mental battle to not open that gate and let them tear out to the field. even tho the Arab would be fine I dont want Kayla to feel jealous and hate me. so silly but mentally I picture a 1000 lb horse tortured by the pain in their feet and say , sorry gals, dirt and hay for you..

right now all have fairly large individual dry lots with run in sheds. 80x80 ft . at least I think thats fairly large..i spread their hay all around so they have to walk about to eat and put ponys OTCB cubes in a rolling dispenser she has to work for her food.

I am going  to look into a track system for next summer tho...the perimeter of my pasture would be ideal..

Thanks for the discussion it did help..
Julie with (new) pony in oregon
oct 2006

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Re: Fall trouble


Thank you for all your responses. Thought I just up loaded his new blood work in his Case hustory. Sounds like his old CH. I will try again. Tech challenged. 


Lori  Able & Bodie





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Re: Monitoring Symptoms PDF. Now Safe Pasture Management

Lorna Cane

Not a problem,Julie.
I wasn't responding to your post.

Yes, it's what people do  when there are no other options. Or when the only other option is to keep the horse stalled all day, away from companionship. Horses are frequently happier if they can be out with a friend .
I have one boy who is becoming too chubby.He's not metabolic but  I put a muzzle on him(hole not blocked - yet) because I know what can happen.
I *hate* doing it so much that have to transport myself mentally to another place,as I put a few cubes into the muzzle and he slides his face into it. He's very accepting, and goes out with his friend and enjoys the day.
I live in hope that I can find a way to exercise him.


Lorna in Eastern Ontario, Canada
ECIR Moderator 2002


Re: Monitoring Symptoms PDF. Now Safe Pasture Management


Julie, this is a reasonable question as it comes up often. The reason for putting a horse on pasture, fully muzzled, is when you don't have a dry-lot that they can hang out in with their peers (and I mean a big dry-lot or track system, not a 10X40 foot "turn-out").  In that case, the alternative might be to keep them in a tiny dry-lot away from their buddies (not pleasant for anyone); or allow them to graze and then get laminitis (totally unacceptable); or allow them to graze a tiny bit through a partially taped up hole, and run a moderate risk of laminitis (marginally acceptable).

When they are out with their buddies, they are moving, and socially active. If the horse or pony just stands there with its head down, then starting out with a small hole might be the way to go - but better to have the muzzle on for increasing times, to see if the horse can get used to it.   It is a huge PITA from the management perspective, because they have to be brought in to whatever dry-lot you have available (or a stall) 3 or 4 times a day and given their hay.

To be fair, I have been lucky in that ALL my horses have to be muzzled if there is grass, so nobody is munching away while one horse watches. 

I, personally, hate putting muzzles on them. Yecch!  However, when I walk out into the dry-lot or stall to replace muzzles so they can go out into the bigger area (which will soon be a dry-lot again, after much hooning around, trampling, pawing etc), every one of my horses comes over and drops their schnozzes into the muzzle, eats the fairly boring beet pulp pellets in the muzzle, and stands while I do up the headstall part.  I know from experience that when the horses experience something unpleasant, no matter how many treats are given beforehand, they just won't come up to me next time. This tells me that the muzzles don't distress them very much.

I would rather not muzzle. If/when I win the lottery, the track will be so perfectly constructed that this jungle-like growth that results from no horses on it for the whole summer will be easily swept away by the tractor blade or similar when we return.  For now, I would much rather muzzle than ever again see a horse with laminitis. 

You are right, Julie - it is all a balancing act. We do what we can. And, Carolyn - it isn't torture. As I said, I hate putting the muzzles on (so it is a form of torture for me), but the horses rush right up to me when I come out with a muzzle in my hand. They don't appear to view it as torture. 

Laminitis is torture. One can make tracks easily and relatively inexpensively with step-in standards and electric tape; if you don't have a tractor or similar to scrape the track, and don't have the resources to cover the track with road crush or pea gravel, then a scant couple of weeks of the horses out on  it with muzzles will reduce most tracks to dirt. In the big scheme of things, a few weeks with a muzzle in the 30 or so years of a horse's life isn't the end of the world compared to the agony of laminitis. 

I realize this is a lot tougher for people who board - in those cases, thinking outside the box is necessary.

Jaini Clougher (BSc,BVSc)

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Re: Trying to find a pad combination to make Andy more comfortable

Cindy Q

Hi Bonnie

Can I ask how your 3/4" thick blue pads from Happy Hoof Pads worked out? I have new cloud boots (not tried at all yet). Lavinia advised me to avoid the cloud pads as they do come with a slight wedge. I found your post talking about happy hoof so I'm thinking to get the same thickness and type as yours. Our pony hasn't tried the boots or pads yet at all as she's still in the box but she's moving ok inside the stall. Hoping she may go to a dry lot soon (if the farrier would just come as he promised to trim her again we may be ready soon).
Cindy - Sep 2017, Singapore

Re: Winter laminitisand back on track

LJ Friedman

When you do a search.. you will see that Dr. Kellon finds them to be too warm, , moist.. etc.. and a few other comments that led ,me away from BOT
's.    leg wraps etc.. are options.. I will be using shipping boots and costco wool socks.. 
LJ Friedman  Nov 2014  San Diego, CA 


Re: No panic - respond when you are back

LJ Friedman

this has been discussed here.. do a search and u you will see a few posts.  BP is ok.
LJ Friedman  Nov 2014  San Diego, CA 


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