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ECIR Group - Equine Cushings and Insulin Resistance #FACTS

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By ECIR Group - Equine Cushings and Insulin Resistance

Miniature horses are often prone to IR, unregulated appetites (leptin resistance) and excessive weight gain. A miniature with a normal body condition score looks like a horse, not an overstuffed toy. For information on management of IR equines, go here: https://www.ecirhorse.org/treatment-insulin-resistance.php


Re: Still confused about deworming

Maxine McArthur
 

Thank you, Dr Kellon! This clarifies things. 
And thank you for the other feedback--Debbie, that is exactly the situation I am afraid of, thanks for sharing your experience. I'm glad Abby hasn't had a recurrence.
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Maxine and Indy

Canberra, Australia 2010

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Maxine%20and%20Indy

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=933

 


Re: New hoof photos

Lorna Cane
 


Re: New hoof photos

Sue Hansen
 

My farrier is coming tomorrow.  I have posted more photos in Dawn's album for mark-ups.  I will then print the mark-ups to show my farrier so I don't have to depend on my computer.  Thank you for your help.  Much appreciated.
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Sue H.
June 2017. Markle, IN USA
Case History https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sue%20and%20Dawn  .
Dawn's photo album  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=9764  .


Re: Triple Crown being bought by Purina

regina bruno
 

the feed store where i get my balance cubes has been doing business with Southern States.  The manager said that at the moment he can get them but he isn't sure what is going to happen.  he said something about (sounds like a rumor) being required to buy a 5 (?) ton minimum of TC products in order to get any TC at all.  He just wanted to let me know the future is up in the air and for now he can get it.  
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Regina and Smokey
June 26, 2017
Laurelville,  Ohio

 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Regina%20and%20Smokey  .
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=8316  .


Re: New hoof photos

Sue Hansen
 

I think I fixed it.  See if you can now open my photo album.  
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Sue H.
June 2017. Markle, IN USA
Case History https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sue%20and%20Dawn  .
Dawn's photo album  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=9764  .


Re: Salt Lick

 

So buying iodized salt in small containers and not in bulk is best because of less loss of iodine to gaseous form? I just looked up the definition of sublimation (chemical). Just bought 8 lbs of iodized salt. Sigh....... 
--
Bonnie Snodgrass 07-2016

ECIR Primary Response 

White Cloud, Michigan, USA

Mouse Case History, Photo Album


Is flax and magnesium still needed for my IR horse?

Bev and Skeeter and Magic
 

Fortunately Majestic's laminitis is under control for now. He's not showing signs of lameness but I'm keeping his weight down by feeding low starch/sugar mixed grass hay and California Trace minerals along with loose salt soaked in bermuda hay pellets. 

Should I still be giving him ground flax each day? And magnesium?

Thank you ...

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- Bev and Majestic
May, 2017
Prescott, Arizona
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Bev%20and%20Majesttic 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=6597


Re: Salt Lick

Bev and Skeeter and Magic
 

Regarding white salt ... I feed two tablespoons of loose white salt, per horse, daily, mixed with California Trace minerals and all together in soaked bermuda hay pellets.

Should the salt be iodized or non iodized? 

Thanks!

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- Bev and Majestic
May, 2017
Prescott, Arizona
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Bev%20and%20Majesttic 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=6597


Welcome aboard

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Welcome to the newest member of our Primary Response team, Bonnie Snodgrass, chickamuxen@....
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Eleanor in PA

 

www.drkellon.com 

EC Owner 2001


Re: Salt Lick

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Iodized salt blocks are probably not very reliable because iodine in salt sublimates over time. Unless the loose salt is very high purity and well protected that's not going to be a reliable source either.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2542096/
--
Eleanor in PA

 

www.drkellon.com 

EC Owner 2001


Re: Still confused about deworming

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

On Sun, Nov 12, 2017 at 05:17 pm, Maxine McArthur wrote:
My questions are about the relationship between the egg counts and worm infestations: 
1. Is it possible for a horse to have low shedding of small strongyle eggs in the manure, but still have a large encysted larvae burden?
Yes, it's definitely possible. For example, egg-laying decreases at certain times of the year.

In other words, are we putting them at risk if we don't deworm more than twice a year?
It depends on the horse.

2. If a horse has been dewormed twice yearly with Equest plus Tape, is that enough to keep down the small strongyle infestation to a tolerable level? [given the paddock conditions above]--if yes, would the low shedding demonstrate this? if high shedding, would the answer be no, and mean that the deworming schedule needs to be more intensive for that horse? 
The horse is protected by a combination of his own innate immunity and low exposure. Strategic deworming as you approach peak pasture season reduces exposure while deworming at the end will remove any accumulated parasites and yes, low shedding would confirm at least during peak egg laying season. The problem is that studies are now consistently showing egg counts are reappearing as quickly as 30 days after deworming, even with moxidectin. This may be because small strongyle strains with a short life cycle are being selected or because late stage larvae are not as susceptible to removal as they used to be - or both. In any case, a horse with a significant egg count after 30 days is a high shedder and needs to be dewormed monthly to protect both himself and the horses around him.

3. If I dewormed my horse last autumn with Equest and it is now spring, and her FEC is low--should I do a moxidectin + prazi deworming anyway, given that it is the peak season for transmission?
It's optional but I would do another FEC in a month or so to make sure she doesn't need it.


4. Is the point of FEC to identify high shedders and deworm them more intensively in order to keep the number of eggs in the paddock at a minimum? 
Yes, and also to protect that horse.


5. What are the recommended extra treatments for high shedders? 
As above, it may be as often as every 30 days. You can use ivermectin when deworming this often.





 
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Eleanor in PA

 

www.drkellon.com 

EC Owner 2001


Re: Salt Lick

Lorna Cane
 

I was hopeful when I read this, Bonnie.
Called our TSC here - Kingston,Ontario- and they don't carry any form of white iodized salt,up here. They flog the blue and red blocks.

I only have a couple of boys left,so just get iodized from Costco for them
I put out white blocks (mostly for entertainment),which disappear over time,but figure it would be more bang for the buck if they also contained iodine.Not as their main source ,though.

--

Lorna in Eastern Ontario, Canada
ECIR Moderator 2002
https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/files/PPID%20and%20IR%20Success%20Stories/Success%20Story%20%233%20-%20Lorna%20and%20Ollies%20Story.pdf

 


Re: Salt Lick

 

There is one company, "Champion's Choice" that makes "livestock" salt products. They do produce loose (granular)  iodized salt sold in 50 lb bags and iodized 50 lb blocks. Tractor Supply stores carry some of their products. If you have several horses it might be worth seeing if you could order the bulk bags of loose iodized salt from a TSC store. Since I have only one horse now I buy the cheapest iodized human salt I can find and add that to my horse's mineral mix..

Blocks are not all that effective for horses. You do not know how much they are consuming and a horse's tongue just isn't all that rough so licking hard blocks doesn't work as well  for equines. My IR horse NEVER touches a salt block.
--
Bonnie Snodgrass 07-2016

ECIR Primary Response 

White Cloud, Michigan, USA

Mouse Case History, Photo Album


Re: Still confused about deworming

Debra Trujillo
 

My vet thinks this is what happened to my horse, Abby.  

"1. Is it possible for a horse to have low shedding of small strongyle eggs in the manure, but still have a large encysted larvae burden? In other words, are we putting them at risk if we don't deworm more than twice a year? Dr Kellon's course material states: "At any given time, approximately 90% of the Cyathostomes inside the horse are in larval stages, including encysted. Fecal egg counts are a very poor tool for determining Cyathostome infestation." and "A deworming may therefore stimulate encysted forms to emerge. This also occurs in the late winter/early spring. When large numbers of Cyathostomes are encysted and emerge at the same time, extensive damage to the bowel can occur.""

I had done fecal egg counts on my horses in early spring.  Both came back with zero egg counts, so I wormed in the spring and then did not worm again until fall (6 mo.).  It was October.  I wormed with Ivermectin at evening feeding.  The next day, after feeding the horses, Abby's heart rate went sky high, became sweaty, started to poop a lot to the point of if being loose like cow pies.  The vet said to take her to the clinic pronto.  A long story short, Abby was diagnosed with Colitis, was in intensive care for 7 days, got through it and has not had another bout since, thank the Lord.  The vets do not know for sure what caused it, but think, since the only thing different was being wormed, that the ivermectin must have killed off stongyles in the gut that then triggered the encysted strongyles to come out, causing a highly toxic condition in the colon.  Now, since that happened, I worm every 12 weeks, switching between ivermectin, moxidectrin, and strongid (fenbendazole is said to not work anymore, unless you do the 5 day worming).  I give Abby banamine the night before, the day of worming, and the next day just in case there is anything that would cause inflammation.  If she starts to have runny stools after worming, I also give her psyllium for a couple of days, plus  1 Capsule of Saccharomyces Boulardii+MOS once a day for about 3-4 days.  Both my horses still have never had any egg counts in fecal tests, but I will never worm only twice a year now.      
--
Debbie and Precious
June 2017, Parker CO
Case History:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Debbie%20and%20Precious  .
Precious' Photo Album:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=6846  .



Re: New hoof photos

Lorna Cane
 

Sue,does your album link work for you?

--

Lorna in Eastern Ontario, Canada
ECIR Moderator 2002
https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/files/PPID%20and%20IR%20Success%20Stories/Success%20Story%20%233%20-%20Lorna%20and%20Ollies%20Story.pdf

 


Re: 2nd attempt - Riosa's X-rays uploaded and trim suggestions requested

Maxine McArthur
 

Got it! Thank you. <smiley face>
--
Maxine and Indy

Canberra, Australia 2010

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Maxine%20and%20Indy

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=933

 


Re: Triple Crown being bought by Purina

 

Hi, Patty - Here is the straight dope:  ESC plus starch must be less than 10%.  Starch packs a big wallop, so must be less than 4.5% (less for sensitive horses). 

You can see the list of safe feeds here:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/files/5%20Core%20Diet/2.%20Safe%20Feeds  (under Core Diet  https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/files/5%20Core%20Diet )  

Acceptable ration balancers are here:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/files/6%20Diet%20Balancing/Commercial%20Supplements%20SAFE  (under Diet Balancing  https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/files/6%20Diet%20Balancing  )

I am also copying the acceptable ration balancers here; just so everyone knows this is very much second-best, especially with regard to the major minerals (calcium, magnesium and phosphorus):

Acceptable Ration Balancers (but very much second best to hay analysis and custom mix). These all have no added iron, a very important consideration for our metabolically challenged equines.


Uckele U-Balance Foundation  http://equine.uckele.com/vitamin-mineral/u-balance-foundation.html

 

California Trace Plus  http://www.californiatrace.com/catraceplus.html

 

Colorado Mix  (no selenium) https://horsetech.com/equine-supplements/custom-non-stock-products/colorado-mix

 

Colorado Se Mix https://horsetech.com/equine-supplements/custom-non-stock-products/colorado-se-mix

 

VermontBlend   https://customequinenutrition.com/collections/supplements/products/local-blend

 

  For areas where added manganese is necessary:

Equi-VM  http://equine.uckele.com/vitamin-mineral/equi-vm.html

 

Sport Horse Grass  http://equine.uckele.com/vitamin-mineral/sport-horse-grass.html

Equi-Base Grass  http://equine.uckele.com/vitamin-mineral/equi-base-grass.html

Arizona Copper Complete (contains manganese)  https://horsetech.com/equine-supplements/custom-non-stock-products/arizona-copper-complete

Note that one should find out if one is in an area needing selenium, or if you are in a selenium-rich area; the same applies to manganese. Your agricultural extension office should be able to tell you.

 

 


--

Jaini Clougher (BSc,BVSc)

Merlin (over the bridge) ,Maggie,Gypsy, Ranger

BC 09
ECIR mod/support

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jaini%20and%20Merlin-Maggie-Gypsy

 

 


Re: Still confused about deworming

ferne fedeli
 

My vet recently told me to do fecal tests and not to continue worming regularly unless it is indicated by the tests.  I just did the tests and all my guys were negative.  I imagine she will want me to do some worming at some point, so need to get back to her and ask what to do in the future.

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 Ferne Fedeli

No. California

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