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Re: A few questions....

Nicole Sicely
 

Hi Heather - I just wanted to give you a thought on the hoof boots.  Getting a larger size will cause them to twist.  Some people have good luck w/ putting a pair of socks on the hooves and the boots over the socks.  Some use thick nylons also (Just cut the bottoms off).  Its similar to how good hiking socks have two layers to reduce the frictions.  Might help.
Best,
Nicole
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Nicole in VT

Joined 9/22/04


Re: cabergoline changeover???

Maggie
 

Hi Gail,

Here you go:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/message/197024  
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Maggie, Chancey and Spiral in VA
March 2011
ECIR Moderator/Primary Response


Re: cabergoline changeover???

 

I am trying to find message  197024 and all that comes up is the current thread "cabergoline changeover???"

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Gail Russell 8/30/2008

 

 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Gail%20and%20Brother%20-%20Odin%20-%20Decaffe%20%20-Gunthar .


Re: cabergoline changeover???

Tina Hughes
 

On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 05:47 am, Eleanor Kellon, VMD wrote:                                                                                                                                                 Another option for horses not responding well to oral pergolide is to go to a daily injection of pergolide. See my post 197024  from 2015.
How would you describe a horse not responding well to oral pergolide?

 
Thank you very much.
Tina
4/2014  Santa Rosa, California
Honey Case History:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Tina%20and%20Honey  .
Photo Album:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=36565  .


Re: cabergoline changeover???

LJ Friedman
 

My vet doesnt draw the line at 20 to 22?  He has been reluctant to increase since 16mg..  ( I increase at 2 mg intervals)  and I'm pretty sure he has reached his comfort level...  as far as cabergoline... if the regular dose doesnt keep acth level in normal range..  I'll be disappointed,,I believe it is supposed to????     $3.75 a day is how this translates out... to go higher.. ie even double..  would be disappointing... and Id consider a change back to cp at higher dose.s.. As far as the eyes,, they are slightly goopy.. I use prascends when I want to titrate till the new cp dose arrives... I am testing acth and insulin on tuesday;;; I have a funny feeling that the fenugreek that I started a few weeks ago, is going to help with insulin...  ( gotta be hopeful)   Jesse was just body clipped so his muscles show,.. and that pleases me..  He will be 28 on august 26th.  

Jesse's Photos

 


Stabul 1 mix and match

nuzufeed
 

I want to let everyone know that when you mix and match the Stabul 1 you can put any combination of the Stabul 1 diets on the pallet.

Randy
NuZu Feed
2008


Re: cabergoline changeover???

 

I’m following along with interest to see how this goes.  I’m very interested in how you plan to make the transition?  I haven’t read anything about doses, except a quick mention of ‘fixed dose’.  A 5 mg Cabergoline dose was compared to 2 mg of pergolide.  How does 20 mg of pergolide translate?   Would you test ACTH to verify that it’s working and when would you do that?  

In terms of the goopy eyes, have you considered dissolving one of your 20 mg capsules in water and dividing it among 10 syringes to increase his dose for ten days?  I would definitely test his ACTH before and ideally after.  Then decide where to share your findings.  I’m not sure why your vet draws a line between 20 and 22 mg.
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Martha in Vermont
Logo, Tobit(EC) and Pumpkin, Handy and Silver (EC/IR)
Logo's Case History: 
July 2012


Re: Flame hoof pics

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Based on the results of the 2-26-2018 labs I don't see any need to redo them at this point unless there has been some kind of major change in his diet. The ACTH was at 17pg/ml and we are into the natural low period so pergolide dose seems to be in a good place too.

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Lavinia and George Too
Nappi, George and Dante Over the Bridge
Jan 05, RI
ECIR Support Team


Re: cabergoline changeover???

 

Is there a way to get Dr. Valencia's unpublished paper?  I have my vet interested in the research.  I am trying to get her to join the list and cosider compounded pergolide.  She might be coming around.  

Gail Russell
Forestville  CA July 2008
Brother, PPID 28 years  Quarter Horse

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Gail Russell 8/30/2008

 

 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Gail%20and%20Brother%20-%20Odin%20-%20Decaffe%20%20-Gunthar .


Re: Shoes or Barefoot?

 


Re: New diagnosis for my horse

Maxine McArthur
 

Thank you for this information, Lynn. My horse is struggling with an eye problem at the moment and the shade solutions I have tried so far don't suit her. I'm going to see how one of the sun visors goes for her.
Cheers
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Maxine and Indy

Canberra, Australia 2010

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Maxine%20and%20Indy

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=933

 


Re: Shoes or Barefoot?

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 
Edited

Thanks, Laurie. I'll take a good look tomorrow and get something together for you. The pix are fine.

When you have a moment, could you please combine all the pix and rads into one album - makes it a lot easier to work when everything is in one place.

Whether you want to stay in shoes or go bare is your decision. Because I'm an advocate for bare in general, I'd vote for going to bare. Each is going to have some drawbacks but my feeling is that the bare will lead to overall healthier feet over time. I'd also be in favor of getting things in motion sooner rather than later. Ideally, new rads would be fantastic so there's no question about what you can remove and what you can't. Getting both vet and farrier out together has advantages but doesn't always work if the farrier can't translate what is on the rads to what needs to be done to correct the problems. It might be more helpful to get the rads done, post them up so I can do mark-ups and explanations then show the whole thing to the farrier so that you know ahead of time what to do and what to watch out for. Again, food for thought.

BTW, the quality of the latest rads was excellent - views were really clear and focused, angles correct. It makes assessing things so much easier. The only thing that could have improved them would have been to mark the tip of the frog and the dorsal wall so there was no question about the exact location of the coronary band. Kudos to your vet.

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Lavinia and George Too
Nappi, George and Dante Over the Bridge
Jan 05, RI
ECIR Support Team


Re: Iron testing in our well water

Deborah Ide
 


I had the iron in the well water checked and will get it checked for manganese next. I will have Tara's blood checked for the things you directed me to.Thank you.
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Deborah
November 2012
Middle Tennessee
Case History: https:/ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Deborah%20and%20Tara


Re: Iron testing in our well water

Deborah Ide
 


Thank you very much for the information. What would I do without this list and the guidance from Drs. Kellon and Cloughter along with everyone else?

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Deborah
November 2012
Middle Tennessee
Case History: https:/ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Deborah%20and%20Tara


Re: New diagnosis for my horse

 

I am sorry for your health problems with your horse. One suggestion which may or may not help is providing shade for the eyes. My gelding had a tumor on the back of his eye which was treated with a chemo cream and seems to be successful. It was recommended to protect his eyes from the sun exposure. Normal fly masks don't do that too much. I founded a company that makes sun visors for horses. My horse being of Arabian breeding needed a wider and longer part of the visor which they made without a problem. My horse wears his visor every day, year round. equinesunvisor.com is the site.

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Lynn and Harley

Oct. 2010 
New Mexico, USA

Case History
Harley's Photos 


Re: Lavinia, New Trim Photos

Reta Heaslip
 

Thank you, Lavinia. Looking forward to sharing this information / recommendations with my farrier.
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Reta
Sep 7
Gananoque, ON, CA

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Reta%20and%20Whistler .

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=10035


Re: Shoes or Barefoot?

 

Lavinia,

Oh, I forgot to ask.  I'm assuming that I should schedule the vet for further x-rays when the farrier is there, yes?  He'll be back on May 4.  Or should I have both of them come out sooner and pull the shoes?

Thanks.
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Laurie and Atticus and Diamond - 05 2016
Collegeville, PA
Atticus Case History - https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Laurie%20and%20Atticus/Atticus%20Case%20History/Atticus%20Case%20History.docx.pdf

Diamond Case History - https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Laurie%20and%20Atticus/Diamond%20Case%20History/Diamond%27s%20Case%20History.pdf 
Atticus  X-Ray Photos - 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=1210 

Atticus  Current Hay Analysis - https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Laurie%20and%20Atticus/Hay%20Analysis/Hay%20Analysis%209-8-17.pdf

Atticus Foot and Body Photos - https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=42693&p=Name,,,20,1,0,0 


 

 

 


Re: Shoes or Barefoot?

 

Lavinia,

Thank you for looking and for fixing the labels on the x-rays.  My bad for not doing that already.

I have now added hoof and body pics and I hope I did them well enough.  If not, just say so and I'll do them again.

I certainly don't like the look of the contracted heels on the fronts.  That's very disappointing.

And I'm disappointed that the hoof pros that I relied on didn't do the job I expected, especially since one is highly recommended by this group and the others were all trained by her.  To now know that the glue-ons should have been changed every two to three weeks is irksome.  I changed Atty to metal shoes because of it.

Expectation is pre-meditated disappointment.  :(

I look forward to your comments on the pics.

Thanks again.
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Laurie and Atticus and Diamond - 05 2016
Collegeville, PA
Atticus Case History - https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Laurie%20and%20Atticus/Atticus%20Case%20History/Atticus%20Case%20History.docx.pdf

Diamond Case History - https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Laurie%20and%20Atticus/Diamond%20Case%20History/Diamond%27s%20Case%20History.pdf 
Atticus  X-Ray Photos - 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=1210 

Atticus  Current Hay Analysis - https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Laurie%20and%20Atticus/Hay%20Analysis/Hay%20Analysis%209-8-17.pdf

Atticus Foot and Body Photos - https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=42693&p=Name,,,20,1,0,0 


 

 

 


Re: Shoes or Barefoot?

 


Re: Atty's Numbers are Dropping

 

Dr. Kellon,

Thank you for your response to this.  I will call the vet and set up testing for TRH stimulation.

What I need to know about Lyme flare-ups is what constitutes a flare-up?  Certain numbers or behavior or what?  It's hard for me to tell if he's suffering since I don't ride him.

I have another thread on shoes or boots and just uploaded photos.

Thanks again.
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Laurie and Atticus and Diamond - 05 2016
Collegeville, PA
Atticus Case History - https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Laurie%20and%20Atticus/Atticus%20Case%20History/Atticus%20Case%20History.docx.pdf

Diamond Case History - https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Laurie%20and%20Atticus/Diamond%20Case%20History/Diamond%27s%20Case%20History.pdf 
Atticus  X-Ray Photos - 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=1210 

Atticus  Current Hay Analysis - https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Laurie%20and%20Atticus/Hay%20Analysis/Hay%20Analysis%209-8-17.pdf

Atticus Foot and Body Photos - https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=42693&p=Name,,,20,1,0,0 


 

 

 

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