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Re: Celery

Tori & Floss
 

Yes celery is a safe treat. My mare loves it!!
--
Tori

 

December, 2016

Adelaide Australia

Case History  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Tori%20and%20Floss 

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=3347

 

 

 


Re: Prascend versus compounded pergolide

LJ Friedman
 

2 bucks is usually the best.. Remember many horses do not do well enough on 1 mg prascend.. and many need higher doses as they age... perhaps cabergoline will be more available as the years go bye..
--
LJ Friedman  Nov 2014  San Diego, CA

Jesse's Case History 
Jesse's Photos

 


Re: Compounding pharmacies & titraing up dosage of pergolide

Saucier Kathy
 

Thank you and yes it makes sense.
I just found the same advice in the archives this evening.
There is so much info available to us on this group.  Just takes time to find it and I have not had time to be online since all this came in with test results and such.
Thank you all for your help.
Kathy & Grayson
Texas
2005/2018


Prascend versus compounded pergolide

Saucier Kathy
 

I know this topic has been discussed a lot.  Just spent the last couple hours reading files and message archives.

After placing an order for compounded pergolide from Thriving Pets and waiting for the prescription request they sent to the vet to be approved, I got what I expected.  The vet says it is illegal for him to write this prescription, that he can only do Prascend.  He will match any online pharmacy price though.  Also brought up all the regular stuff we hear about efficacy of compounded not being trusted.  He shared a link to an article from 2010 by Dr. Nancy Loving comparing compounded pergolide (www.bloodhorse.com article).  I know some places are less reliable than others. 
I could debate this with him but I'm feeling like spending more money is worth not going through the hassle and possibly turning my vet away from wanting to treat my horse if I'm too difficult a customer.

I've been comparing prices online to use for him to match or give me a prescription from and here is what I have found.  I would like to know if anyone else has found a better price.  Hope this is ok to ask.
Valley Vet will do 60 tablets for $132.95.  That comes out just over $2 per day, with free shipping.
Next best I have found is $3/day.
Of course the pergolide would have been under $1 day.
So is $2 a day the best we can find for Prascend?

Kathy Saucier
Grayson, 19 yr old TWH
TX
2005?/2018

I promise to get a case history up after this weekend when I'm back on my home computer with all the tests and notes.



Celery

jessica skene
 

hi group!

is celery can be used as a safe reward for horses?
just looking to try things for my mare! She loved the cucumber I grow in my garden! (Like big pickle kind) but as I can’t always find some at winter I am looking for other things to try!
--
Jessica Skene  - Abitibi, Québec, Canada
Sonara => Canadian X QH mare , 11 years old, historic of founder and suspicion of IR

october 2017

Link to case history: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jessica%20Skene%20and%20Sonara/SonaraCaseHistory.pdf
Link to album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=10295&p=Name,,,20,1,0,0
Link to hay analysis: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jessica%20Skene%20and%20Sonara/analysedefoin.pdf


The Pergolide Dosage Database - Fri, 10/5/18 #cal-notice

main@ECIR.groups.io Calendar <noreply@...>
 

The Pergolide Dosage Database

When:
Friday, 5 October 2018

Description:

ALL ECIR EQUINES ON PERGOLIDE ARE NEEDED IN THIS DATABASE

 

ADD A NEW ENTRY      UPDATE AN EXISTING ENTRY 

 

"The only "correct" dose of pergolide is the one that controls his ACTH." - Dr. Kellon, ECIR Message #132152, Sept 2, 2009.

 


Wondering what the highest pergolide dosage is?  Need to show your vet there are horses on higher dosages? 

The Pergolide Dosage Database Statistics include:

 

  • The percentage of equines on certain dosages
  • The highest dosage
  • The average length of time equines are on pergolide
  • The oldest, youngest and average diagnosis ages 
  • The percentage of Overall ACTH control
  • The percentage of ACTH control for high and low dosages 
  • The percentage of equines showing side effects 
  • The percentage of equines with history of laminitis
  • Amount of mares, geldings and stallions 
  • The breeds of equines represented 
  • Links to details on the equines in the database
  • Much more

Some equines have histories of 10 years or more, detailing:

  • dosage changes
  • long term pergolide use effects on individuals
  • responses to pergolide both symptomatically and by blood tests
  • ACTH, glucose, insulin, leptin and other blood test results
  • IR Calculator interpretations 
  • Diet influences on blood work and physical symptoms 

  

It is important to keep your database information up to date.  The database has already helped improve the quality of life for many PPID horses but with our member base, we can have a very effective tool for study to influence current thinking about pergolide dosages and PPID control.  There is no better way to "thank" the ECIR Group's owners and volunteers than by contributing your information and by participating you not only help your own equine(s) but all equines with PPID and IR.

 

Thank you for your cooperation,

- Owners and Support Team of the ECIR Groups


Re: Speedy beet vs regular beet pulp

gypsylassie
 

😊


On Oct 4, 2018, at 9:35 PM, Bonnie Snodgrass <blsgrass344@...> wrote:

Thanks Laura for catching my error in names.

Yes, I would choose Stabul 1 over beet pulp rinsing and soaking ANY day if it was handy to purchase.
--
Bonnie Snodgrass 07-2016

ECIR Primary Response 

White Cloud, Michigan, USA

Mouse Case History, Photo Album


Re: Trouble searching for source of "Source"

Bonnie
 

Thank you very much, Dr. Google's friend.
--
Bonnie and Lad
North Ontario
Dec 2008
 


Is it ok to share?

Julie Thomas
 

Is it ok to share things like the Ontario Dehy pdf file with people not in this group?  I certainly don't want to violate any rules...but there is so much great stuff here I get excited!  :)

--
- Julie T
September 2018, Seabeck, WA
Case Histories: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Julie-Ike-Sparky  .
Ike Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=73042  .
Sparky Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=73044  .


Re: Speedy beet vs regular beet pulp

 

Thanks Laura for catching my error in names.

Yes, I would choose Stabul 1 over beet pulp rinsing and soaking ANY day if it was handy to purchase.
--
Bonnie Snodgrass 07-2016

ECIR Primary Response 

White Cloud, Michigan, USA

Mouse Case History, Photo Album


Re: Speedy beet vs regular beet pulp

gypsylassie
 

Hi Bonnie, I was answering Heidi's question about adding Stabul 1 to her boy's beet pulp.  Heidi is in driving distance of Randy's feed store, (as am I, and I love talking to Randy).  
Heidi could use just the Stabul 1 and skip the r/s/r beet pulp routine. 
 Laura K Chappie & Beau
N IL 2011


On Oct 4, 2018, at 4:09 PM, Bonnie Snodgrass <blsgrass344@...> wrote:

Laura,
is there some reason you can't use just the Stabul 1 since you have easy access to it? And just forget about feeding beet pulp?
--
Bonnie Snodgrass 07-2016

ECIR Primary Response 

White Cloud, Michigan, USA

Mouse Case History, Photo Album


Re: Trouble searching for source of "Source"

Lorna Cane
 
Edited

Dr. Google says:
https://www.4source.com/our-products/

Oh, and if you add iodine to source,when searching messages,you'll have more luck.

HTH.

--

Lorna in Eastern Ontario, Canada
ECIR Moderator 2002
https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/files/PPID%20and%20IR%20Success%20Stories/Success%20Story%20%233%20-%20Lorna%20and%20Ollies%20Story.pdf

 


Trouble searching for source of "Source"

Bonnie
 

I just can't find it using the search function as it keeps giving me messages about source of pain, source of iron, but it does not seem to recognize -"Source"- as a proper name. And my memory cannot drag up the company I bought some from in the past. Help!

"My mind works like lightning. One brief flash and it's gone."
--
Bonnie and Lad
North Ontario
Dec 2008
 


Re: New ( 2018-05-30) Xrays uploaded

Candice Piraino
 

Dr. Kellon,

Thank you so very much for the quick review and words of treatment. Yes will continue the casting as you stated.

I have recently worked with Nicole Sicely on nutrition and an average of hay analysis, since I have no room to store hay I have to buy in a few square bales at a time. I am continuing to soak his hay and keeping his diet tight per your recommended articles and Nicole's- which is similar in every way.

I do use the horse hydrator filter as well. I am awaiting to hear back from the county on regards to water tests, but I also have an filter on my well, but need test analysis done regardless.

Again thank you so very much.
--
Candice Piraino
September 2018, Summerfield, FL
Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Candice%20and%20Shark
Shark's Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=71507  .


Case History forms

Julie Thomas
 

Hi,
Do you want vaccinations identified on the case history forms?  If so, do you want them listed under medication?
thanks
--
- Julie T
September 2018, Seabeck, WA
Case Histories: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Julie-Ike-Sparky  .
Ike Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=73042  .
Sparky Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=73044  .


Re: Case Histories: What You Need To Know - Thu, 10/4/18 #cal-notice

Julie Thomas
 

How do you want the case history to show short term actions.  For example, my horse is on antibiotics for a month.  It's on my case history, but what to I do to update the history when he stops taking it so it will be clear it was a 1-month prescription?  Thanks
--
- Julie T
September 2018, Seabeck, WA
Case Histories: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Julie-Ike-Sparky  .
Ike Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=73042  .
Sparky Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=73044  .


Puffy bulges above eyes. ???

Pat Gauvreau <pgauvreau@...>
 

Can an increase of pergoloide cause puffy bulges above eyes (not eyelids)? Only 3 days from increasing from 2 to 3mg. Just appeared today but deminished before I got a chance to photograph. 
--
Pat and Savannah
Vancouver Island, British Columbia, Canada
January 2018 

Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Pat%20and%20Savannah
Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=22028&p=pcreated,,,50,2,0,0


Re: Nutritional advice to feed the foot, higher calorie needs

 

Thanks. I’ll add methionine. She’s been on Jherb since last December but I realize I should double check I’m still dosing to effect with added weight. 

I’m going to have to think about soaking to reduce nitrates. I thought these hays were safe at these levels, 122ppm and 363 ppm.  Sorry, I see my link to one of the hays is broken in the CH. Our local hay sources are all irrigated, so nitrates are something to be managed but not eliminated. 
-- 
Cass for Cayuse (PPID/IR) and Diamond (IR)
Sonoma County, Calif. Oct. '12

Cayuse Case History                Cayuse Photos
Diamond Case History              Diamond Photos


Re: Speedy beet vs regular beet pulp

 

Laura,
is there some reason you can't use just the Stabul 1 since you have easy access to it? And just forget about feeding beet pulp?
--
Bonnie Snodgrass 07-2016

ECIR Primary Response 

White Cloud, Michigan, USA

Mouse Case History, Photo Album


Re: Can't access Dairy One or Equi-Analytical

Sandy Carr
 

It's working now.  At:  http://equi-analytical.com

--
Sandy

March 2017, Onalaska, WA, USA

Case History:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sandy%20and%20Andy . 
                        https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=6171 .

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