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Re: Sadie's trim...Jaini, Dr. Kellon, Others please comment on this if you can. This is where the disagreement is.

 

That is my problem Jaini...I can't seem to find anyone else who are any better than the ones I have.  I would be willing to haul within reason as long as Sadie can tolerate it...or even fly someone here to at least help me out one time so that I can get her stabilized.  I seem to have hit a wall and I am so afraid that I will have to put Sadie down because she is getting worse..she can barely move.  I am devastated.  At the very least, I need markups ASAP after the trim Monday if I am to do it myself with very very detailed elementary explanation as to what to do as I honestly don't think we can hang in there much longer.  The pain is not abating at all.

Can anyone help me on this forum...I don't want to beg but I am willing to pay handsomely as this is a last ditch effort to save Sadie and I am so overcome with grief about this.



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June
Oregon, USA
Oct 2012
Case Histories for Sadie and Chip
Sadie's Photos 
Chip's Photos 
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Beetroot powder for ppid/Ir

sandie harries
 

Hi. 

I read in picky eater that beetroot powder could be good to try. My mare now picky eater 😞
she is Ir which means can absorb iron more easily, right?
i read that beetroot powder can increase iron level. Is that true and is it safe? How much do you give?
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Sandie Giroux-harries
member since July 2014
Melbourne, Australia 

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sandie%20and%20Trinket


Re: Upcoming testing

Patricia Evans
 

Thanks Jaini,
I will request that. I am so fortunate that I have a vet that is very knowledgeable as well as being agreeable to whatever I ask her. 

I am also fortunate, and thankful, to have found this group and for all the information, knowledge and especially the support. Support that our very busy vets and farriers are sometimes only able to provide in limited amounts. They come to help our animals, but then they are gone to help someone else, and WE are the ones left to manage and try our best to care for our beloved animals, often floundering about what to do next and watching our horses in pain, feeling helpless to do something to help. Your group of people are taking the time to answer the questions we may have that probably help the owners as much as our horses. Your library of education is priceless.

I think the most important thing that I have learned from this group is that WE have to be proactive for our horses, not blindly following instructions that may or may not be accurate, just because the current expert says it is. If the trim looks wrong, it probably is; even though we are not the experts at trimming hooves, we can be the experts on researching what is correct and then follow through to correct it, even if you have to find a different vet, farrier, etc. This group has empowered me with the knowledge to be  assertive when I KNOW something is not right.

OK, rant done! Thank-you all SOOOOO much. Dancer is very appreciative too!

 
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Patricia Evans
North central Florida
July 7 2018
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Patricia%20and%20Dancer  

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=66069


Re: French white millet (ppid/Ir)

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

No, millet is not safe.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: water faecal syndrome (ppid/Ir)

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Sandy,

PPIR/IR has nothing to do with diarrhea.  Is Puppet on grass?
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


French white millet (ppid/Ir)

sandie harries
 

hi. 

Recently someone suggested i swap lupins for white millet. Is it safe? How much? 
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Sandie Giroux-harries
member since July 2014
Melbourne, Australia 

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sandie%20and%20Trinket


water faecal syndrome (ppid/Ir)

sandie harries
 

hi guys,

my vet has identified this in my pony. Poor puppet 🙁
It seems to occur around spring every year 🤔
i took her off maxi soy to see if it was an irritant but hasn’t changed. Have added psyllium husk to see if it would soak, hasn’t worked. Have tried protexin, no help. Currently on bariki digest and no help 😔 should I remove lupins? thinking of trying equisure from KER. 

Any options???
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Sandie Giroux-harries
member since July 2014
Melbourne, Australia 

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sandie%20and%20Trinket


PPID in Donkeys

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

This study found a TRH stimulation test using equine cutoffs correlated with clinical signs in donkeys suspected of PPID:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30362589 
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Pergolide doseages

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

TRH:  Thanks,  Jaini.  I didn't know that.  Anyone know the status in EU and AU?
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Pulses

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Laurie,

Being an energyworker has nothing to do with it - unless it might be subconsciously putting some kind of expectation in your head that is interfering.

Digital pulses can be  faint but they are always palpable - assuming the horse will stand still.  First, locate the artery by slowly running your fingertips over the  back half of the fetlock, at the level of the seasamoid bones. When you pass over one of the paired arteries you will feel it roll under your fingertips.  They have a diameter similar to a pencil.  After locating the artery, rest your fingertips over it lightly and wait for the pulse. Have you taken your own pulse? It feels very similar but you have to get down through the hair to skin level.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Pergolide doseages

 

Eleanor, we are a little stuck on this in Canada. I know one vet in Quebec that will import the TRH, but apparently one has to pay for the whole flat (over $1,000), so if there aren't a whole bunch of horses needing a TRH stim test, it is unlikely that a practice will bring it in.  Dang!
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Jaini Clougher (BSc, BVSc)
Merlin (over the bridge), Maggie, Gypsy, Ranger
BC 09
ECIR mod/support  https://bit.ly/2MlAtPd  

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jaini%20and%20Merlin-Maggie-Gypsy .
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=34193.
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=39711


Re: Pulses

 

Jaini,

Thank you.

I don't seem to be able to find the maxillary one either.  But if the heart rate with a stethoscope works, then I'm on it.  I have one of those!  :D
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Laurie and Atticus and Diamond - 05 2016
Collegeville, PA
Atticus Case History - https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Laurie%20and%20Atticus/Atticus%20Case%20History/Atticus%20Case%20History.docx.pdf

Diamond Case History - https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Laurie%20and%20Atticus/Diamond%20Case%20History/Diamond%27s%20Case%20History.pdf 
Atticus  Current Hay Analysis - https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Laurie%20and%20Atticus/Hay%20Analysis/Hay%20Analysis%209-8-17.pdf

Atticus Photos - https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=42693&p=Name,,,20,1,0,0 


 

 

 


Re: Pergolide doseages

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

p.s. Improvement 3 weeks into the low dose pergolide with this timing could easily have been from ACTH levels dropping anyway rather than a drug effect.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Pergolide doseages

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

To try to sort through the PPID issue, I would suggest tapering off pergolide in December and doing a TRH stimulation in February.  If positive, you have an early PPID. If negative, you have an IR horse that is sensitive to the seasonal rise effects so know you at least need pergolide seasonally.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


"Clown Shoes"

Bonnie
 

Recent discussions of long toes reminded me of the phrase "clown shoes" which has been used over the years. back in 2006 for example Judy A. said this " My personal description to folks is this... YOU go and put on a pair of comical clown shoes the size of about 18's, then walk around for the day. How do you think you're legs and feet will feel?"
Maybe we need a visual description of "levering forces", such as a diagram or video.
(Is anyone into computer animation? Have a teenager who is?)
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Bonnie and Lad
North Ontario
Dec 2008
 


Re: Upcoming testing

 

Hi, Patricia, 

Huge kudos to you!  You have done an amazing job with Miss Dancer. 

I would get an ACTH as well; in my horses, they actually seem to peak in late Oct - mid November (apparently they didn't get the memo about when the seasonal rise is), so I think it would be prudent to get that as well.

Thanks for the update on the case history.  :)
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Jaini Clougher (BSc, BVSc)
Merlin (over the bridge), Maggie, Gypsy, Ranger
BC 09
ECIR mod/support  https://bit.ly/2MlAtPd  

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jaini%20and%20Merlin-Maggie-Gypsy .
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=34193.
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=39711


Re: Pulses

 

Hi, Laurie - you are not alone!  In fact, digital pulses on a horse should be hard to find.  Here is a good explanation:  http://www.ironfreehoof.com/equine-digital-pulses.html    

 If you want to monitor pulse rate, you can also use the maxillary artery, under the jaw (I like this one, because I don't have to bend over :) ).  https://equimed.com/health-centers/first-aid/articles/four-ways-to-take-your-horses-pulse  ; or you can count heartbeats using a stethoscope. 


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Jaini Clougher (BSc, BVSc)
Merlin (over the bridge), Maggie, Gypsy, Ranger
BC 09
ECIR mod/support  https://bit.ly/2MlAtPd  

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jaini%20and%20Merlin-Maggie-Gypsy .
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=34193.
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=39711


Re: Pergolide doseages

Cheryl Oickle
 

Sorry need to read the pergolide suggestion in the response too quick to respond.   I hav a trimmer coming out nov 14 or 15 and will acquire hoof pics with a high grade camera at that time for posting and evaluation.   Specializes in issues as this
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Cheryl and Jewel
Oct 2018

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Cheryl%20and%20Jewel


Re: Sadie's trim...Jaini, Dr. Kellon, Others please comment on this if you can. This is where the disagreement is.

 

Hi, June. I am sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but it is time for a new trimmer. The proof of the pudding is in the eating, and the feet are not only not improving, they are getting worse with each trim.
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Jaini Clougher (BSc, BVSc)
Merlin (over the bridge), Maggie, Gypsy, Ranger
BC 09
ECIR mod/support  https://bit.ly/2MlAtPd  

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jaini%20and%20Merlin-Maggie-Gypsy .
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=34193.
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=39711


Re: Pergolide doseages

Cheryl Oickle
 

Just one correction her hay IS tested and less than 10% ESC  actually 7.1 and starch is 1.2 %.  Sorry if I wasn’t clear on that.   The prascend dose? Thoughts should it stay at 0.5 or should I try again to increase to 1.0 mg
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Cheryl and Jewel
Oct 2018

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Cheryl%20and%20Jewel

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