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Re: Toe first landing up hill.....?

ALICIA.HARLOV@...
 

A horse will naturally land toe first going uphill (and usually heel first going downhill). Yo truly evaluate landing you want it to be on a flat level surface.


Re: Toe first landing up hill.....?

celestinefarm
 

You can't really tell if a horse is having a deliberate toe first landing on a hill. I wouldn't worry about it.  Watch him walk on a comfortable flat surface at a normal gait and look then to see if he lands toe first.  There are many reasons for landing toe first, including having soreness in the frog area due to a underdeveloped frog or diseased frog. Imbalance in the hoof capsule and sole removal/thin soles can cause it also. It's why we recommend boots for horses with thin soles, as they will be more likely to land on their heels if they are comfortable . 
Dawn Wagstaff and Tipperary   

Saline, MI  2003

Tipperary Case History


Re: Triple Crown Flax - help me understand the 25%NSC??

Random Ranch
 

Just to be clear, you are saying that this product is safe?  Correct?
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Amy Bennett
Sedalia, CO USA
Joined 5-26-18
King Case History
King and Amy Album



Re: Does anyone use Dolomite, Sea Kelp, and Vitamin C?

celestinefarm
 

Amy, unless your friend can provide scientific proof or reasoning as to why she thinks your horse should receive the above, then just ignore the advice.  Vit C in horses can increase iron absorption, which we do not want. Sea Kelp can have too much iodine , upsetting any balancing that has been done for your horse, and depending on it's source, can also contain other contaminates.  Dolomite contains calcium, magnesium and not necessarily in the proportions your horse needs. Depending on the company, dolomite also contains lead, cadmium, zinc , and a host of other undesirables. 
All vitamins and especially minerals, major and micro, for the horse need to be balanced in ratio to each other and to complement or balance the horse's main source of nutrients, hay and forage. Where many horse owners get into trouble with their horse, or at the very least, throw away a lot of money is scatter shot dumping supplements into their horse. They don't realize that they can actually be harming their horse long term with oversupplementation . 
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Dawn Wagstaff and Tipperary   

Saline, MI  2003

Tipperary Case History


Re: Triple Crown Flax - help me understand the 25%NSC??

celestinefarm
 

Amy,
No, I'm not even sure how Triple Crown arrived at a 25% NSC.  Flax seed is high in oils and therefore has a high fat content. The omega 3 fatty acids contained in the seed is important for many functions in the horse, and flax seeds provide omega 3's that an IR horse likely is missing as they cannot typically eat pasture grass which is also high in omega 3's.  So we use ground stabilized flax seed to provide them with those omega 3s.  The amount of flax needed to provide adequate omega 3's is not high enough to provide more fat calories than needed , thereby increasing weight and contributing possibly to IR. The NSC, to the best of my knowledge , has never been an issue with ground flax. 
You want to remember that NSC is not the number we are concerned with, instead we want to see sugar and starch levels ( ESC and starch) at or below 10%. Starch is preferred to be 4% or under. 

https://drkhorsesense.wordpress.com/2018/03/04/the-benefits-of-feeding-flax/

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Dawn Wagstaff and Tipperary   

Saline, MI  2003

Tipperary Case History


Re: Discontinue Pergolide for Retest?

 


Toe first landing up hill.....?

Random Ranch
 

My horse was recently sore footed... Only for 2-days. I think he bruised himself on the frozen muddy.  We've had very wet frozen muddy ground. But my farrier says he didn't grow enough and he wanted to wait to trim him. I will get updated pics as soon as I can get someone to help. BUT...in the meantime...I was watching my horse come up his hill and he is VERY much on his toes first. I'd this normal coming up hills?
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Amy Bennett
Sedalia, CO USA
Joined 5-26-18
King Case History
King and Amy Album



2nd request

Bobbie Day
 

Sorry to make a pest of myself (again) just wondering if someone has time to comment on Desi’s progress?
we need to trim her just wondering if we should still be going only two weeks between? One thing I noticed was one heel is much higher than the other? When should we get new rads?
thank you so much ❤️

Bobbie and Desi
Utah, Nov 2018

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Bobbie%20and%20Desi 

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=78821


Does anyone use Dolomite, Sea Kelp, and Vitamin C?

Random Ranch
 

 
A friend is encouraging me to use Dolomite, Sea Kelp, and Vitamin C.  We have thin soles still. I'm scared to use anything that hasn't been mentioned. Thoughts???
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Amy Bennett
Sedalia, CO USA
Joined 5-26-18
King Case History
King and Amy Album



Re: Discontinue Pergolide for Retest?

Lorna Cane
 

Oh, good, Amber.Thanks.

Can you record the correct data in the CH to avoid confusion ?

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Lorna  in Kingston, Ontario, Canada
ECIR Moderator
2002
https://ecir.gro
ups.io/g/main/files/PPID%20and%20IR%20Success%20Stories/Success%20Story%20%233%20-%20Lorna%20and%20Ollies%20Story.pdf


 


Re: My horse's first bout of laminitis

riggslippert@...
 

Thank you Bonnie.  He was trimmed today and seemed more comfortable afterward, with lessening of his digital pulses.  The farrier did view the radiographs.  I have asked for help with my signature links.
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Aunna
October 2018
Oakland County, Michigan, USA
Cadet Case History:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Aunna%20and%20Cadet  .
Cadet Photo Album:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=84102  .



Re: Discontinue Pergolide for Retest?

 

I pulled up his results and his pre test number was 21.7 pg/mL with the range being 9-35 and post test number was 119 pg/mL with the range being 9-110. The test was the TRH Response test.

Does that help clarify?
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Amber and Calliber in SC

Case History https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Amber%20and%20Calliber
Photos https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=82557


Triple Crown Flax - help me understand the 25%NSC??

Random Ranch
 

This is in their PDF information sheet:
17% Protein • 32% Fat • 12% Fiber • 25% NSC • 2,050 KCAL/lb.

Is the NSC at 25% alarming?  

Is this safe to use??? 
 
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Amy Bennett
Sedalia, CO USA
Joined 5-26-18
King Case History
King and Amy Album



need signature help

riggslippert@...
 

Sorry, I have tried multiple times to activate my case history and photo album links and it hasn't worked.
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Aunna
October 2018
Oakland County, Michigan, USA
Cadet Case History:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Aunna%20and%20Cadet  .
Cadet Photo Album:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=84102  .



Re: Discontinue Pergolide for Retest?

 


Too many calories?? Confused about CA Trace's Rice Bran ingredient

Random Ranch
 

A friend of mine said the rice bran base in CA Trace may not be good for my guy in concern of him gaining weight and in my opinion, getting too heavy.... I'm  feeding my 1680lb  Percheron/Friesian cross:
-25 lbs of grass hay (5.5% combined Starch + ESC)
- 4 cups of Bermuda hay pellets
- 6oz Flax
- 4oz salt
- 3 Vitamin E pills
- 3 Iodine
- recently nremoved MagOx per Pet let Ramey's advice

Any advice???  I made the mistake and got the wrong hay test, so I have to do it again.  But in the meantime... Hoping for any advice. 





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Amy Bennett
Sedalia, CO USA
Joined 5-26-18
King Case History
King and Amy Album



Racham mental and physical state

Bonnie Eddy
 

Racham has been having a hard time these past few months. She really had a difficult time with trying the Cabergoline Sept/Oct. It was a roller coaster and she never leveled out.
She has become distant, her cognitive abilities seem diminished, is more primal, basic instincts oriented. For example at feeding time she won't move out of the way, it's like I'm not there, she is only focused on the food. It is with much hard promoting I can get her attention to move away from me. She was never like this before.
She vacillates between being high and spooky to hardly being able to move from one day to the next.
She easily injures herself, her back end as well as front legs. 

I can no longer afford the $400 for labs, so have no idea how her ACTH is doing. Her PU/PD was finally normal in January. 

Are we nearing the end? It looks like she really is in advanced stages of PPID if I had to guess.
My CH is current.
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Bonnie with Racham from Southern California, Nov/2016

Case History
Racham's Photos 
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Updated case history

Bonnie Eddy
 

I have updated my case history and want to make sure it works. Can someone please see if it opens and is all good?
Thanks much
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Bonnie with Racham from Southern California, Nov/2016

Case History
Racham's Photos 
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Re: Resuming exercise

Cheryl Oickle
 

Farrier/trimmer out next week. Will post new pics

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Cheryl and Jewel
Oct 2018

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Cheryl%20and%20Jewel

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=81063


Re: Discontinue Pergolide for Retest?

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

P.S. Wait three weeks after stopping to retest - or sooner if symptoms.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001

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