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Standlee BP pellets - I "did a thing" - would like to post a photo

Susan Vaughan
 

Friends -  I am hopeless with computer things.  Sorry. 

I've been doing R/S/R with the Standlee BP pellets - using colander and buckets.

Last night I rinsed with colander but put the BP in a large white bucket which had holes drilled around the bottom.
I let the water drain through the holes and kept stirring and topping it off with more water.
I collected some of the draining water and it was light brown.    Not dark brown as seen doing my usual R/S/R.
The curious thing - on my final inspection - I noticed a brown "sludge" had risen to /  settled on top of the BP.
It looked like brown frosting on a cake.   I could almost peel it off.
I would assume dirt would settle on bottom.  What would float and collect on top?   Molasses?
I would like to a post a photo but don't know how on this site.
Best, Susan   and Remy in Houston TX   


Re: Poll on Losing Weight - Please Respond #poll

Maxine McArthur
 

I'm not sure I ticked the right box--horse or pony?
Indy is 14hh, three-quarter Arab one-quarter Welsh D. She eats and puts on weight like a pony (quickly and efficiently, on very little feed), but thinks and rides like a horse. (And she believes she is 17hh, it's just that nobody else has noticed yet.) 
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Maxine and Indy (PPID)

Canberra, Australia 2010

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Maxine%20and%20Indy

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=933

 


Poll on Losing Weight - Please Respond #poll

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Have the ECIR guidelines of feeding 2% of ideal weight or 1.5% of current weight worked for you in trying to reduce your IR horse's or pony's weight?

Results

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Re: Bloodwork for IR

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

It's valid. You just have to understand the circumstances when interpreting it. I'd say she is IR by the insulin but well controlled.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: When to redo bloodwork?

 

I asked this question and Dr Kellon said there is no bad time to test. You are always going to get helpful info about how your horse is doing at that moment in time. Is his ACTH under control. How does it compare to tests at another particular time it was tested, like during the seasonal rise.  If the ACTH is under control in the spring but the insulin isn't under control what does that tell you? 
--
Bonnie Snodgrass 07-2016

ECIR Primary Response 

White Cloud, Michigan, USA

Mouse Case History, Photo Album


Re: Bloodwork for IR

Maria Duran
 

I understand, thank you so much for the explanation. So then the analysis should be considered not valid? 
Would you say she is IR?
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María Durán Navarro
Dec 2017
Madrid (Spain) 


Re: Bloodwork for IR

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Stress/excitement will spike blood sugar a bit very quickly. Could be something as simple as another horse threatening her or chasing her. There is also a spike after exercise. The 116 isn't that high. I think what you are describing is probably enough to explain it.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: When to redo bloodwork?

coffincomplex@...
 

Thanks, Jaini! Is there no need to test in the spring, then, if I see no outward issues?
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Alanna
May 2018
South Bend, IN
Buster's case history: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Alanna%20and%20Buster  .


Re: Red and Poppet: Poppet seems to have gone backwards

jonno17@...
 

Thank you Dr Kellon :) yes she still wears her boots. The hay came from the same paddock as the last analysis I had done only this is new seasons, I was quite surprised at the difference, just goes to show how much hay can differ from season to season, another factor as well, last analysis I did I had to pull a sample from the hay as I didn't have a corer, this analysis I did using a corer, I will get in touch with Carol asap for some help, thank you :) 
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Clarissa
November 2018-Red, Poppet
Tasmania, Australia 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Clarissa%20and%20Red_Poppet
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=79540


Re: Bloodwork for IR

Maria Duran
 

Blood was pulled at 4 pm aprox. The mare had been eating hay all day because there is always some hay in the paddock but meals are distributed to horses at 9 am, 2 pm and 8 pm so she had a stronger meal at 2 pm. No concentrate was given to her and the vet had her troting a bit to check if she was lame. I don't believe this lasted for more than 1 or 2 mins (according to her owner) but this mare gets stressed very easily.

What are you seing that is drawing your attention? I am quite intrigued haha.
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María Durán Navarro
Dec 2017
Madrid (Spain) 


Re: Winter Laminitis - New Case History attached

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Hi Diana,

Here are a couple of sources for the Jiaogulan powder, which is much more economical for equine-size dosing:

http://www.mybesthorse.com/productsorderhere.html

https://uckele.com/jiaogulan-powder.html

https://www.herbalcom.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=cEcommerce.dspProducts&CategoryID=2403&OrderClause=ProductName,ASC&LinkKey=I

If this is winter laminitis, then gently walking him around the indoor for 5-10 minute initially would be helpful. See how he reacts and fine tune it from there. Sometimes, once you can get them moving they will then move on their own. Need to be careful if he is still on any NSAIDs, tho. Wrapping his feet in wool socks, plastic bags and then putting the boots over all of it will help to keep them warm and dry.

I've added the case history link, as well as your join date and general location to your signature so those should appear automatically now whenever you post. If you could get the hoof pictures and copies of the most recent radiographs uploaded to photo album that would be helpful as well.

Sounds like you are sourcing definitely safe feed - that's great. In the meantime, you can start by adding ground flax (Triple Crown Naturals Golden Flax or Omega Horshine are two economical options), vit E human gelcaps and iodized white table salt to his carrier meals - rinsed/soaked/rinsed beet pulp is one safe option that is usually readily available. Amounts are in found in the emergency diet.

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Lavinia and George Too
Nappi, George and Dante Over the Bridge
Jan 05, RI
ECIR Support Team


Re: Bloodwork for IR

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

What time of day was the blood pulled and when had the horse been fed last? Any exercise?
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: I have permission to create a dry lot...but how?

Tucker
 


-- Thank you Kirsten for reminding me...we have used this mix in the past in flower beds. We have also found that just spraying Charlies soap on weeds and grass will kill them just the same. We never use roundup as it is toxic and want our property safe for pets, birds and butterflies.  
Tucker and Indigo
NC, Nov 2018
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Tucker%20and%20Indigo 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=80036


Re: Micky sheared heels

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Hi Kath,

From what I can see, the toes are miles too long ahead of where they need to be. This was evident in the rads done in Nov 2018 and appears to only have gotten worse. There doesn't appear to be any excess heel height to remove as the HPA's are already compromised. The medial wall on the RF, which has been structurally compromised for a long time, has been allowed to flare quite a bit again, so you are losing any support there that it should be providing. Sole depth is likely compromised as well.

Back up the toes, leave the soles and heels alone for now. Keep him in boots and pads as that seems to be the arrangement Micky does the best in over time.

--
Lavinia and George Too
Nappi, George and Dante Over the Bridge
Jan 05, RI
ECIR Support Team


Re: Micky sheared heels

Nancy C
 
Edited

Hi Kath...OK.  I found it. Sorry for the confusion. I edited this message to add my comments.

I personally do not have experience with correcting sheared heels and just have begun expanding my knowledge through understanding Dr Bowker and his work in this area. ( See his 2017 lecture on vascular cushion of the frog.) As I said Lavinia has been on sabbatical, but she may respond.

That said, I agree with your suggestion that it has been too long between trims. If you go back to summer 2018 it appears you have gained a lot of toe.  It also appears to my lay person eye that there was no sheared heel then.  I admit I have not gone through all the of the photos.

I would be working to get his feet to look more like they did then.  It will take frequent small trims --  every two or three days -- to help you determine how he is re-adjusting to his more compact feet. Testing his tolerance to heel work can be done via stretching his leg and shoulder and checking his fetlock tendons.  Put his foot in your lap. Can you massage them easily compared to the other foot or your other horses? Also how does he load after you trim.  (You probably know this.)

New rads to determine where you are now would be really helpful.

Long toe and under run heels contributes heavily to poor caudal (heel) health. 

Hope this helps.
--
Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
DDT+E = effective treatment for PPID and EMS/IR equines: https://bit.ly/2J4ZgYT

 


Re: InsulinWise- would this really help with IR?

Kirsten Rasmussen
 

You have to use the "Msg #" search box, not the grey "Search button".  :)

This is what Dr Kellon said in message 230937:
 
"  Jan 12   #230937  
 
I want to see the details of the actual research, not some cherry picked graphs that have no details. The amounts of these ingredients are extremely small. There is no magic bullet for IR. Outrageous price for what you get.  "
 
 
 
-- 
Kirsten Rasmussen
Kitimat, BC, Canada
January 2019
 
Shaku's Case History:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Kirsten%20and%20Shaku  
Shaku's Photo Album:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=82559  
 

--
Kirsten Rasmussen
Kitimat, BC, Canada
January 2019

Shaku's Case History:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Kirsten%20and%20Shaku  
Shaku's Photo Album:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=82559  


Re: Micky sheared heels

Nancy C
 

Thank Kath

Still not clear to me.  This photo?  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/photo/9614/4?p=pcreated,,,50,2,0,0

If not can you please supply a link? 

Thanks again.
--
Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
DDT+E = effective treatment for PPID and EMS/IR equines: https://bit.ly/2J4ZgYT

 


Re: Bloodwork for IR

Maria Duran
 

I meant to say strange. I invent my own words haha.
--
María Durán Navarro
Dec 2017
Madrid (Spain) 


Re: Bloodwork for IR

Maria Duran
 

What was extrange about those results for me was that the insulin wasn't too high but glucose was however above it should be. I was expecting a higher insulin and lower glucose but I am not used to interpreting what a normal response should be.
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María Durán Navarro
Dec 2017
Madrid (Spain) 


Re: Bloodwork for IR

Maria Duran
 

What do you mean by abnormal? High insulin and glucose?

The mare doesn't has an IR diet, it is imposible for the owner to test hay as the barn changes it almost weekly and they don't want to soak the hay for the mare. 

The mare lives in a big paddock with about 15 horses more so the amount of hay the mare gets is not weighted. She gets 500 g of an aminoacid/mineral mix, 75 g of winter hoof and skin balancer from forage plus and 6g of jiaogulan.

The only thing the owner can do is exercise the mare what she is doing.

Total protein in the bloodwork is 6.51 g/100ml  Lab normal range is 5.8-8

Thanks Dr. Kellon.

--
María Durán Navarro
Dec 2017
Madrid (Spain) 

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