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Re: Hygain Zero

Maxine McArthur
 

Yes, about that.
I have small hands and I just grab a little--I measured it once, and it was about a standard 1/4 measuring cup, so 40-50g. I mix all the other stuff (1/2 cup beet pulp plus maxisoy soaked with mineral mix and salt, just before feeding mix well with 1 cup mixed chaff and ground linseed and chondroitin sulfate), then leave the Zero scattered on the top with a pergolide capsule on the top too. Most days it goes down. On the days it doesn't, I have a spare pergolide capsule that I dissolve and syringe in. 

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Maxine and Indy (PPID)

Canberra, Australia 2010

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Maxine%20and%20Indy

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=933

 


Lavinia, updated the photo files....we were diagnosed May 2018...how are we looking?

Random Ranch
 

I just updated my hooves pics.  I have had to switch farriers two times since diagnosis of Insulin Resistance and mechanical laminitis episode in May 2018.  I am currently taking the NRC plus course, but I think my trim is still not on point.  My farrier actually opted to not trim my guy last trip.  "He said he just didn't have enough foot."  So we are scheduled in 3-weeks.  If you have a minute, would you be so kind as to see our progress.  Thank you so very much!
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Amy Bennett
Sedalia, CO USA
Joined 5-26-18
King Case History
King and Amy Album



Re: Hygain Zero

Cindy Q
 

Hi Maxine

When you use zero as a taste tempter, is it in the amount of 2 to 3 tablespoons?

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Cindy - Sep 2017, Singapore


Re: Hygain Zero

Cindy Q
 

Thank you both.

I'm in Singapore so there is no Easikeeper or Maxisoy here or teff hay. Hygain Zero is a special order as well and sometimes goes out of stock. Our centre was the one who started ordering it in regularly and we are able to take a fair number so the supplier tries to order it every month now but sometimes things get delayed a week or private horse owners want some and it goes quicker than expected.

My trouble with a sprinkle is the feeding is done by barn staff and we can write 1/4 scoop (200 to 200grams) on the feed chart but a handful is subjective and different staff do the feeding. If it is something that is risky and sensitive, I still try to do without for the high risk pony. We have been giving Top 3 aminos (Carol Layton) but am waiting for the next batch as my friend is going to carry it back from Australia. Always looking out in case of changes if something could be easier/better here.

Further, have a friend here who keeps a horse across the border in Malaysia. The horse has laminitis. Currently comfortable in boots and pads but we have been discussing the feeding and how it can improve and she has even fewer choices there but is thinking to take some Zero from here to try there to replace the higher starch Fibressential from Hygain that is available there. That's a 16.1hh horse on higher amounts of feed so I'm concerned for her as well. It's already on soaked timothy. She's not sure the barn there will feed the micrbeet and her previous experience was that the horse refused to eat wet feed. Again micrbeet so far looking is looking like something she has to source here. If she feeds a higher amount, I feel its a higher risk so I am just trying to find out more.

I even tried emailing Hygain to give them feedback that they could lower the starch amounts in Fibressential as we do find it a very palatable feed and we know it is now popular with the race trainers here so where before we were the ones ordering a lot and having to time our special orders, they now bring it more and keep it in stock regularly.
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Cindy - Sep 2017, Singapore


Re: Hygain Zero

Maxine McArthur
 

Hi Cindy
I still currently use Zero as a sprinkle on top of carrier feeds, and in the past have gone up to 2 cups (about 500g) per day when horse is in reasonable work (1 hour 5 days/week plus one longer 2+ hour ride once a week) without noticeable issues. I've worked on the 4.5% ESC 1.5% starch values, which I think have been on the bag for a couple of years now, judging from my spreadsheets from a couple of years ago. Because it is quite expensive, I've decided this will be my last bag, so the sprinkles are getting smaller and smaller as I phase it out. 

PS I looked into feeding Easikeeper but it is a balancer type feed and didn't fit my hay profile very well--I would have had to feed extra copper and zinc anyway, so not much point. The Zero, because it is designed as a complete feed, doesn't upset my mineral balancing when used as a sprinkle. Not that the Easikeeper mightn't suit others, but in my case it didn't. 

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Maxine and Indy (PPID)

Canberra, Australia 2010

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Maxine%20and%20Indy

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=933

 


Re: Hygain Zero

kylei@...
 

Hi Cindy,
I fed Hygain Zero to my ponies for many years and thought the feed was okay.  I have changed them to Prydes Easikeeper and Prydes Easisport and I can say that the ponies are doing much better on these feeds than they ever did on Zero.  My IR/cushings pony is on Easikeeper, Maxisoy and teff hay and is doing very well.  I switched my mini pony from Zero to Easisport and he has never looked better.  Both of these Prydes feeds are low sugar and starch.
Regards,
Kylei


Hygain Zero

Cindy Q
 

Hi

Recently, I realised Hygain had added the ESC figure to their Hygain Zero page. Previously, I'm quite sure it was not there as I had to email them to ask and they asked me what ESC stood for - this was in November 2017 and they replied to say that the ESC was 4.5% and starch 1.5%.

The website currently states ESC 2.5% and starch 1.4% so wondering if this makes it safer? I have to assume this is typical analysis and not guaranteed but I'm wondering if people with IR horses are feeding Hygain Zero with success. I know Maxine mentioned using it as a taste tempter (ie using the minimum barest amount over something safe). We have ponies who are not known to have IR issues on a small amount (eg. 0.25 to 0.5kg zero a day mixed in with a little soaked and drained micrbeet) but our IR pony is not currently on it. Our bermuda hay is usually rather low protein.

Crude protein 15%, fat 4%.

Please share your experiences on Hygain Zero especially the amount you are feeding without issues.

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Cindy - Sep 2017, Singapore


Re: Alfalfa question

Cheryl Oickle
 

An absolute variable here regarding the alfalfa I agree!I had to scramble to get a supply of low sugar low starch hay this last year when my horse was diagnosed with IR and Cushings. Although the protein is higher, the starch and ESC/and WSC is actually lower in the alfalfa grass mix.  I have taken to cautiously giving approx a 1/3 of her feeds of this along with the analysed grass hay I have in order to have enough to get me through until this years supply....So far so good! And she loves it, and seeks it out before the rest of course.  Trial and error I suppose. 
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Cheryl and Jewel
Oct 2018

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Cheryl%20and%20Jewel

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=81063


Re: Micky sheared heels

Kath Chase
 

Oh no our date and time here in aus is Thursday 21  feb it’s 12.17 lunchtime here, understand if you can’t get the marks ups  done in time Lavinia , Farrier no. 7 said tomorrow unsure what time I’ll get a text tonight with time,  I didn’t read Nancys message properly it’s been so long since I’ve been on ECIR i haven’t heard of sabbatical assuming it’s a new project your working on and very busy, so sorry I appreciate you just getting back to me you must be crazy busy. 

Micky has pulses going today in three feet, to be expected after the boots came off yesterday damn damn damn, probably more damage and bruising I think it would have been approx 15 - 20 mins I was inside,  and he was moving on quite hard ground. Sand and peagravel was compacted where he was, the Velcro isn’t great on boots  he’s pulled him off both fronts . The duct tape is a necessity to keep them on.  Thanks again 
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Kath Chase & Micky
Yinnar Vic Australia
July 2017
Micky's Case History
Micky's Photos


Re: Micky sheared heels

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Thanks Kath.

Will get to it tomorrow so you have it for Fri.

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Lavinia and George Too
Nappi, George and Dante Over the Bridge
Jan 05, RI
ECIR Support Team


Vaccinations and ACTH Testing

 

I’m scheduling an appointment for spring vaccinations and a retest of Calliber’s ACTH levels so I have a 2 part question. Calliber’s diagnosis is new so I’m still learning.

1. Is there anything special I need to know about PPID and vaccinations?

2. Why am I retesting his ACTH? I have been tapering off pergolide so it would be out of his system before the test, but I’m curious why? Do I want a test with the pergolide in his system to see if his ACTH is controlled or off of it to see if it went down on its own after the rise?

3. Off subject question, is it possible for a PPID IR horse to compete in endurance or competitive trail? Endurance was my goal when I picked Calliber, but since his diagnosis I’m not sure what his future can consist of. 

As always, thanks so much!
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Amber and Calliber in SC

Case History https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Amber%20and%20Calliber
Photos https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=82557


Re: Cavallo Boots Mentions ECIR Group

Cindy Giovanetti
 

<<I think this is a better link...https://twitter.com/cavallohoofboot/status/1097965933300113408>>

 

That’s a nice plug.  It says “Lynn Stanley refused to give up on her beloved rescue horse, Relevante, when he developed Laminitis!  She got the education and support she needed from the ECIR Group – Equite Cushings and Insulin Resistance.”

I just got my first pair of boots; I got Easy Clouds.  I'm very pleased with them. 

 

Cindy

Denton, TX

Joined 2/19 (but I was a member years ago)

 

 


Re: Andalusian gelding

Maxine McArthur
 

On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 07:58 AM, Eleanor Kellon, VMD wrote:
The goal is make sure he always has something in his stomach, not in his mouth!
Thank you, Dr Kellon. Major "AHA!" moment for me. You have just taken a lot of the stress out of my hay feeding regime. 
 
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Maxine and Indy (PPID)

Canberra, Australia 2010

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Maxine%20and%20Indy

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=933

 


ECIR Group - Equine Cushings and Insulin Resistance #FACTS

main@ECIR.groups.io Integration <main@...>
 

By ECIR Group - Equine Cushings and Insulin Resistance

Read more in Dr. Robert Bowker's proceedings from the 2017 NO Laminitis! Conference. Download is free. https://bit.ly/2zP9w1w


Feeding J-herb and AAKG with meals

Heidi Wright
 

All,  I don't have the ability to feed J-herb and AAKG prior to meals.  My only option is to feed it with meals.  Is it still effective when given with food?  Would you need a higher dose if fed with meals?

Thank you.

Heidi
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Heidi Wright
joined Aug 15, 2018
5130 State Route 38
Malta, IL  60150
815-761-2341

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Heidi%20and%20Skyler 

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=69604


Re: Cavallo Boots Mentions ECIR Group

Nancy C
 

Thanks Lynn.  I use them too. I have tried on a hand full of occasions to garner Cavallo support of the ECIR Group as a Benefactor and been rebuffed.  Here's to us keeping on trying!
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Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
DDT+E = effective treatment for PPID and EMS/IR equines: https://bit.ly/2J4ZgYT

 


Re: Cat new lab work

Kim L. Ramsden
 

Thank you for your thoughts and I am going to increase her exercise as soon as the weather (rain) permits and start lounging her then riding her.  I will also increase her prescend by 1/2 pill and see if her labs change.  When do you think I should have new blood drawn after I increase the prescend?   how many months should I wait?  should I wait until august? or do it sooner to see if any changes?  what happens if the ACTH does not decrease? your thoughts?  Cat is happy and energetic she just has long hair, she has never been fat or had any fat deposits.  The only reason I thought to have her tested was she did not shed very well for the past 2 years.
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Kim 
CA, USA

Case History
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Re: Alfalfa question

Nancy C
 

I was struck last week in seeing how different "alfalfa" can be in different parts of the country. IMO blanket ok for recommended use of this for hay is unwise, especially if it is not tested.

Using alfalfa in small amounts as a taste tempter has always been ok'd here.

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Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
DDT+E = effective treatment for PPID and EMS/IR equines: https://bit.ly/2J4ZgYT

 


Re: Cavallo Boots Mentions ECIR Group

Lynn
 

I think this is a better link...https://twitter.com/cavallohoofboot/status/1097965933300113408
-- Jennifer at Cavallo just emailed me to say she tweeted it, put it on Facebook and Instagram and their website. i don't do social media but I let her know i appreciated the exposure they provided for the group!
Lynn
Beavercreek, Ohio
March 2018
Relevante Case History
Relevante Photo Album

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Re: Andalusian gelding

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Hi Cynthia,

The goal is make sure he always has something in his stomach, not in his mouth! Gastric emptying depends on things like particle size, size of meal, amount of starch but a horse on free choice hay often still has hay in his stomach after fasting for 12 hours. If you are feeding 20 lbs of hay over 24 hours in 4 feedings that would be 5 pounds per feeding at 6 hour intervals. Four hours is actually more ideal but often not practical. However, with a very slow feeding set up you can get the interval between when the horse actually finished the hay and when the next meal was fed closer to 4 hours then 6 hours. If you want a decent night's sleep, pull a little from each of the day's feeds to put into the last feed at night. Beet pulp is also very filling so use that to carry supplements and feed it at night. To  make it easier for boarding barn staff, get enough pillows or nets that you can preload them  and ask where they would like you to put them
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001

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