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Re: Hygain Zero

Bonnie
 

Hi Cindy, the photo you put up is just the right thing, the kind people cook to make soup. Some owners feed them dry, as a treat or part of a meal. My own experience with Lad is that he prefers them soaked as they swell up, soften, and smell really attractive. In my mind, organic means expensive - maybe you can find a cheaper brand.
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Bonnie and Lad
North Ontario
Dec 2008
 


Re: Micky sheared heels

Kath Chase
 

Huge Thank you to you and Nancy you Rock , I didn’t expect those markups done  in time as I was late getting them to you. Big hugs from. Micky.

Micky had all 4 trimmed today, I have some photos that I can upload but they aren’t super can get more tomorrow. But will give you some idea, it will probably take a few regular trims over the next 3 weeks to tryand get him back on track.  Farrier no.7 Said he is happy to do what makes Micky most comfortable. He said he can comeback next week and do more,  if there wasn’t enough taken , I’m not sure if there has  been enough taken off toe see black line on RF sole pic taken 2018-02-22. 

Mickys pulses have settled another small bruise around edge of medial sole I saw in today’s photo.  

Still eating well so thats positive and having reular turnout. I did notice he was walking. Bit weird from behind after trim today also. 

The yellow on the foot is betadine, I have 2 bottles of white lightning if I need it, and new rubber for pads it density is more cushioned bit softer but may also wear down too thin, will try and shape pad as you said  Lavinia. Micky seams to be doing it by himself his wearing the lateral side pad down to take weight off medial side  last few days again  same thing as  done before many times.  Could be another abscess maybe. I hope not. they are cruel but better out than in. Part of the healing process.

Many thanks will will keep you posted 
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Kath Chase & Micky
Yinnar Vic Australia
July 2017
Micky's Case History
Micky's Photos


Re: Giving Prascend to a Picky Eater

Maria Duran
 

Ahahaha Lorna I just had to laugh with all the crazy things we do for our horses. We should do a post about all the crazyness around feeding time.

Theresa there are tons of entries for how to feed pergolide but if you don't find the way maybe you  can just dissolve it in a bit of water or non sugar apple juice and srynge it into his mouth. 
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María Durán Navarro
Dec 2017
Madrid (Spain) 


Re: Giving Prascend to a Picky Eater

Lorna Cane
 
Edited

Hi Theresa,

I always hold my open hand under a horse's mouth ,when feeding pills,just in case.
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Lorna  in Kingston, Ontario, Canada
ECIR Moderator
2002
https://ecir.gro
ups.io/g/main/files/PPID%20and%20IR%20Success%20Stories/Success%20Story%20%233%20-%20Lorna%20and%20Ollies%20Story.pdf


 


Re: Hygain Zero

 

I tried feeding split peas to my horses and could not generate any interest on their part.  So I cooked them into soup for the family.  If they need to be soaked first, I probably should have tried the horses on the soup.  They didn’t care for peanuts either.  It seems as though alfalfa pellets might be the only legume that interests them.  
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Martha in Vermont
Logo, Tobit(EC) and Pumpkin, Handy and Silver (EC/IR)
July 2012

Logo's Case History: 
 


Re: Long term use of L-arginine and Joagulan?

Diana RL
 

Just bumping this up...


On Wed, Feb 20, 2019, 11:14 AM Diana RL via Groups.Io <Diana.laquinta=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi, 

I have just begun using both and they seem (I'm still a little skeptical (mainly because I've tried everything over the last 3 years and nothing has worked), but cautiously optimistic!) to be doing great things for my pony's winter laminitis.  

I have several questions about long term usage and was hoping this group could answer them. 
1.  What are the implications of long-term use?  Does it cause any long-term medical harm and/or decrease efficacy? 
2.  When the weather warms up, should I continue using it at all?  Decrease the dosage?  
3.  I am following Dr. Kellon's recommended dosage, but are these products that can be overdosed?  

Thanks so much in advance!


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Diana and Scooter
Jan 2019
PA

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Scooter%20-%20Case%20History



Re: Frankincense and Myrrh for neuropathic pain

Maria Duran
 

Thank you Laurie, kstrick709 and Ronelle for your answers.

I have to clarify that I am not in an emergency with neuropathic pain (fortunately). I just want to have something in my repertory that I know might be of help when needed. When you are in a crisis, it is much difficult to find the time and concentration to search for something that works. I saw this product and wanted to ask because time ago the horse of a friend was diagnosed by the vet with neuropathic pain after foundering. We tried capsaicin and helped but only just a bit and his skin ended up very irritated so we had to quit it.

What is in my mind for neuropathic pain is ALCar as I have learned here and in the NAT course but as this takes a while before it starts helping the horse, I believe it is wise to have something able to palliate the pain before ALCar can take over.

This product has hypericum within the active ingredients.

What is amazing is that more than 1 thousand people is saying it works. Some others say it didn´t work for them but the great majority is pleased with the results.

Thank you all for answering :)
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María Durán Navarro
Dec 2017
Madrid (Spain) 


Re: Split peas- as a clicker treat, how much is too much?

Maria Duran
 

Can anyone reveal me the mistery of peas being safe for IR horses please?

Diary One shows an average S/S of almost 50%. By Dr. Kellon's explanation I understand that the starch is resistant starch, so it is not digested in the small intestine, hence there is not insulin spikes but if given at high dose, excesive acid lactic can occur altering the normal fermentation in the hindgut. This is what I understand but is all the starch resistant starch? because 44% starch sounds like a lot.

Can someone explain a bit more please? Also are them safe too if given fresh and raw ?

Thank you.
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María Durán Navarro
Dec 2017
Madrid (Spain) 


Re: X-ray technique and positions

Maxine McArthur
 

Hi Cheryl
Check out the Wiki--scroll down to Photos and Hoof Evaluation Help.
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Maxine and Indy (PPID)

Canberra, Australia 2010

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Maxine%20and%20Indy

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=933

 


X-ray technique and positions

Cheryl Oickle
 

can someone please provide me a link for X-ray technique.? And hoof/film positions for same. Will have Jewel re xrayed late March looking for techniques to identify correlation of p3 to sole, depth of sole?? Sinking?? My trimmer has identified needs to mark apex of frog in films, lateral views and markings at the coronary band etc.
Thank you
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Cheryl and Jewel
Oct 2018

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Cheryl%20and%20Jewel

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=81063


Re: Hygain Zero

Cindy Q
 

Does anyone know if these are the right kind of split peas? They are yellow ones and apparently are also called Chana Daal or Chana Dal, used to make dal curry in Indian cooking. The package label also calls them lentils so I wonder if it's something else? They have nutrition information at the back of the packet here:

https://redmart.com/product/redmart-organic-yellow-split-peas-228653


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Cindy - Sep 2017, Singapore


Re: Giving Prascend to a Picky Eater

Lynn
 

Hi Theresa,

Relevante is also picky but he is excited to take his Pergolide in the morning before feeding because i rotate between dried prunes (just 1), fresh summer squash slices and Beet-e-Bites pill pockets which come in both peppermint and apple flavors (i have both). Maybe your boy would like one of these? All are soft and would allow you to push the pill inside and enclose it in the food item. 
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Lynn
Beavercreek, Ohio
March 2018
Relevante Case History
Relevante Photo Album

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Re: Hygain Zero

Cindy Q
 

Thank you Bonnie!

I searched and now found that message by Dr Kellon here: https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/topic/29379485#231280
She says a few ounce as part of a meal is safe. It was in reply to a member feeding 4 to 6 oz.

Am I right that soaking split peas is optional and they can be fed as is as long as the horse will eat them like this and has no teeth issues?

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Cindy - Sep 2017, Singapore


Re: Giving Prascend to a Picky Eater

Theresa Schroeder
 

So I tried peanut shells and he likes crunching them and spitting them out. Won't actually eat them.

I also tried putting it in a handful of his beet pulp but he's really messy about it and I couldn't tell if it dribbled out or not. I didn't see it on the ground but the bits of food he dropped landed in grass so who knows. (his teeth were recently checked. he just likes to make a mess)

I will try it in the beet pulp again and if it doesn't work, I'll be updating again.

I did have a thought that if I get desperate and need to use a syringe, would aloe vera juice work to flavor it? I've never had it myself so not even sure what it tastes like but I know people give it to horses.
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Theresa Joined 12/11/18 from Kansas

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Theresa%20and%20Twister

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=80189&p=Name,,,20,1,0,0  .


Re: Hygain Zero

Bonnie
 

Cindy, my pony is somewhat larger than Glow (640 lbs). He gets 1 cup of split peas, mixed with his cube meal and supplements. I pour hot water over all about 2 hours before serving to fluff up the cubes.
The peas are on the shelf in my local grocery store where the dried legumes are found. When I get to a city I buy from a bulk store. Some feed stores sell peas for chickens but there are none
in my area.
There are green and yellow peas, but Lad only likes the green ones. Those have an appetizing fresh smell when soaked, and are also less likely to be dropped during the meal when softened by soaking.
The person who did the diet balancing for me suggested the peas, and recently there was a post about the starch level being safe. 
No exercise here right now, unless you count marching through hock-deep snow to reach a haynet as exercise!
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Bonnie and Lad
North Ontario
Dec 2008
 


Hypersalivation

norcalpintabians
 

My boy Knight has been dealing with excessive salivation for a few weeks. There was no change in feed or housing when this started. He had been on 1mg of pergolide for about 6 weeks.
We did a complete dental  and the vet saw some ulcers where the sharp points were in his mouth. With those gone we expected some improvement but there has been none. We are currently on day 6 of omeprazole/ranitadine paste. It does not seem to be helping. 
Any thoughts would be appreciated. 

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Susan Morgan
June 30, 2018
Ione, California
Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Susan%20and%20Knight

Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=71655


Re: leptin control

jmc
 

My horse's leptin was about 42.5 when tested over the summer... seeing the normal range is 10-20, that's just alarmingly high. He tested negative for PPID, and "mildly IR" per my vet. I made some changes to his feed, found IR/PPID safe grass hay, and added a heaping teaspoon of ALCAR, as I read that it can help with leptin resistance.  He's much less ravenous now and I've seen him dozing when there's still hay available, even though he's only getting a max of 2% ideal weight, in slow nets. He has also lost 200-300 lbs (you can see the changes in his photo album) ... so ALCAR seems to be helping, though I'm told the best way to lower leptin is to get the extra weight off.

That said, I'm currently waiting on blood test results, I'm *really* hoping his leptin is down somewhere near normal... and that his other numbers fall as much as his weight has :)

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Jodi
June 2018
NW Wyoming

Yankee Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jodi%20and%20Yankee

Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=54386


Re: Diagnostic testing for EMS, EC, and hypothyroidism

Kirsten Rasmussen
 

Thank you Dawn and Eleanor.  I would be worried about the sugar syrup triggering another spring-time episode of acute laminitis (his first one was in the spring in a dry lot on hay only!)...although I am managing him far better now then when he had his last attack, he still has tender feet and fat pads, and his hay is not ideal.  The risk is definitely there. 

No offense to any veterinarians here but I also learned last fall that part of caring for Shaku is protecting him from things that a well-meaning veterinarian will do that may cause Shaku harm...after watching it take weeks for a large 1" diametre wound to stop bleeding and scab over, all for the sake of removing a mm-size cyst, I promised him I would be more discerning about what I will allow.

I have emailed my veterinarian to ask if she will consider NOT administering the oral sugar test because of the possibility of triggering acute laminitis, and again provided her the link to the ECIR Diagnosis web page.  Fingers crossed....

Thank you all again...I look forward to posting Shaku's results this spring!! :)

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Kirsten Rasmussen
Kitimat, BC, Canada
January 2019

Shaku's Case History:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Kirsten%20and%20Shaku  
Shaku's Photo Album:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=82559  


Re: Target's trim

Cindy Q
 

Hi Kathie

Does your trimmer do a lot of rasping from the top (pulling the foot into a forward position and rasping the dorsal wall at the toe) rather than doing a bevel from the bottom, ie picking up the foot like you would when you are going to pick it out, so the frog faces you and rasping around the toe at 45 degrees? It looks like the former and I'm no expert, but I personally would not want that being done anymore if it was my horse and based on your last xrays 1 February and your recent trim pictures. Subject to whatever Dr Kellon, and the experienced trimmers/mods say of course.

If you look back at Dr Kellon's comments on your xrays, she said to bring the bevel back at sole level. I don't see much of a bevel at the sole/ground level in your pictures but I the dorsal wall has been thinned quite a bit higher up the hoof on areas that are above the ground level.



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Cindy - Sep 2017, Singapore


Re: Hygain Zero

Cindy Q
 

Hi Maxine

I'm also trying to understand split peas as an option better and how it compares to giving the Top 3 aminos or whether in addition. Split peas can be gotten here but I'm not sure how much to feed and need to see how big a bag because there are no bulk feed stores so it would have to be a human grocery shop. Also, when I was searching ECIRand online, I saw some references to split peas having starch but a special kind. I was unsure - is it safe only if the horse is in substantial work or it is always safe as long as fed in limited amounts - and what such amounts would be?

Glow is currently in lunge work 20min, walk trot canter. About 5 days a week with the odd day replaced with a simple hand walk and time out in a small dry lot. I think that qualifies as light work only. But I hope she would have more back muscle especially the disabled kids although small can be floppy or stiff. She's currently moving and feeling good though.

I was told she sometimes doesn't finish her bucket beet. A few times I was there at feeding time and she had probably half her beet left and seemed to ignore it just focusing on her soaked bermuda hay which she does eat eagerly. That's when I usually pull her out to back her toes on the hind - lunch time and I can tell she's eager to get back to her hay.


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Cindy - Sep 2017, Singapore

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