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Re: loose stool and mild diarrhea

Cassie
 

This was a major issue with Ellie.  They following has helped her tremendously.  She still gets the occasional flare up, but it is much less frequent and less severe now.

Morning: HorseTech's GutWerks plus a tablespoon of l-glutamine and a couple of teaspoons of Uckele Psyllium Powder, mixed with a tiny bit of oil to make it more appealing, with a handful of Cavalor Fiber Force
Evening: Uckele GUT plus a tablespoon of l-glutamine and a couple of teaspoons of Uckele Psyllium Powder, mixed with a bit of oil and a few handfuls of Cavalor Fiber Force.

If she has breakthrough squirts, a short term dose of Uckele Absorb All usually helps.

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Cassie

March 2017

Washington

Ellie Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Cassie%20and%20Ellie
Ellie Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=10111


hoof photos

Tucker
 

I added some photos of Indigo's hooves 1 week after her latest trim, January 31st. The dark hoof is her Left front and the white hoof is her Right front.  She will soon be getting another trim and I am looking for any suggestions or advice. Thanks!! 
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Tucker and Indigo
NC, Nov 2018
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Tucker%20and%20Indigo 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=80036


Re: Low positive ACTH

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Any exercise effect is gone at that point. The normal range actually includes horses that are less than thrilled about having blood drawn so I think you can probably assume its a true positive. Another way to look at it is that if it's 48 now, it was MUCH higher during the rise. It's hard to say much more without history, especially IR status, At the very least he's going to need it during the rise.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Anyone dealt with Green Mountain Supplements fro Attica NY

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

The only way to evaluate any company's supplement is to compare it to what your diet needs. On the most basic level, this means a hay analysis. Unless you have a very young horse that is anemic, iron is virtually never needed. Manganese is rarely needed - but in some areas is. Chromium is not needed unless hay was grown on alkaline soils (usually the plane states out west). Phosphorus, magnesium, zinc, copper and selenium are commonly deficient but to know how much to supplement you first need to know the dietary levels.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Feeding frequency

Lorismorgans
 

It has been my experience,  the more frequent meals the happier, stable weight horse. My Ab would pick at poop, dirt, anything when fed twice day a day. It was nerve wracking. All my horses improved when I spit hay into smaller more frequent feedings. Weight stayed off . 
Hope this helps


Lori

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Lori  Able & Bodie

 

2016

 

Redding,CA

hhttps://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Lori%20and%20Able%20-%20Bodie

 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=6053&p=Name,,,50,2,0,0 .


Re: Anyone dealt with Green Mountain Supplements fro Attica NY

celestinefarm
 

The vitamin and mineral supplement includes added iron sulfate. 
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Dawn Wagstaff and Tipperary   

Saline, MI  2003

Tipperary Case History


Re: Low positive ACTH

Nancy C
 

Works on needle shy horses too. 
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Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
DDT+E = effective treatment for PPID and EMS/IR equines: https://bit.ly/2J4ZgYT

 


Re: Low positive ACTH

 

One thing you can do is use clicker training to teach him that needles predict good things.  Zoos do it all the time to teach animals to willingly have blood drawn.

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Gail Russell 8/30/2008

 

 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Gail%20and%20Brother%20-%20Odin%20-%20Decaffe%20%20-Gunthar .


Re: Anyone dealt with Green Mountain Supplements fro Attica NY

Sherry Morse
 


Re: Low positive ACTH

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Jaini,

Thanks for the insight.  I was reading about how high readings could result from blood pulled on needle-phobic horses and while Scutch is not a fling himself around the stall sort, he's definitely not a fan of the vet so there's that too as well as the age factor.  

Frankly the TRH stim test scares me a bit but I'll have a conversation with the vet tomorrow and see if she's agreeable to waiting to retest when we hit the seasonal rise or if we'll go that route instead.  Other than the slightly longer hair the only other change I've noticed is he's been a tad spookier than usual but it's not consistent so I find myself wondering if it's 'hey I'd rather spook than work' or if it's actually something.  Dang horse is definitely going to give me more grey hair, that's for sure!



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Thanks,
Sherry and Scutch (and Scarlet over the bridge)

EC Primary Response

PA 2014

 

 


Re: Feeding frequency

celestinefarm
 

Cheryl,
Is there any reason she can't have a hay net during the night? Is she stalled at night?
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Dawn Wagstaff and Tipperary   

Saline, MI  2003

Tipperary Case History


Re: Anyone dealt with Green Mountain Supplements fro Attica NY

Lorna Cane
 

Hi Sue,

Which of their products are you considering?
Can you provide a link?

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Lorna  in Kingston, Ontario, Canada
ECIR Moderator
2002
https://ecir.gro
ups.io/g/main/files/PPID%20and%20IR%20Success%20Stories/Success%20Story%20%233%20-%20Lorna%20and%20Ollies%20Story.pdf


 


Anyone dealt with Green Mountain Supplements fro Attica NY

Sue Neidlinger
 

I was at a seminar yesterday and there was a gentleman talking about hay testing. He represented a company very close to where I live, Green Mountain Supplements in Attica NY. 
I would love to use someone local but I wasn’t sure if the supplements he sold were truly ok for IR horses   He said they were and that was no added carrier to them thus adding sugars or starches. 
Has anyone dealt with this company and would you know if his claims are accurate? 
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Sue and Spirit 

Burt, NY, USA
Aug 2017
Spirit's Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sue%20and%20Spirit 
Spirit's Photo Album:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=8806 .


Re: loose stool and mild diarrhea

 

Josie used to have loose stools often also.  I treated her for ulcers, which didn't seem to help all that much.  Putting her on a diet of mainly TC Timothy balance cubes slowed gut sounds a lot, but she still had loose stools occasionally.  I tried Forco and Ration Plus, but they didn't seem to help.  I used her loose stools as one symptom for increasing pergolide.  Last fall I started her on amino acids (yellow pea powder) and she hasn't had a loose stool since-not even when I think she needs a pergolide increase.
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Helen, Josie and Kyra
May 2016
Brunswick, VT, USA
Case Histories: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Helen%20and%20Josie 
Josie's Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=22630 
Kyra's Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=1370


Re: Recent Bloods done

Tori & Floss
 

Jaini thank you very much!
I will certainly get her tested again late March.
Cheers Tori
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Tori

 

December, 2016

Adelaide Australia

Case History  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Tori%20and%20Floss 

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=3347

 

 

 


Re: Thyro L

 

Hi, Cindy - Primary hypothyroidism in horses is *extremely* rare.  "Euthyroid sick syndrome", a term for a thyroid gland that can function normally, but due to illness or other factors is fairly common:  Euthyroid sick syndrome is a condition in which serum levels of thyroid hormones are low in clinically euthyroid patients with nonthyroidal systemic illness. Diagnosis is based on excluding hypothyroidism. Treatment is directed toward the underlying illness; thyroid hormone replacement is not indicated.  (from Merck https://www.merckmanuals.com/en-ca/professional/endocrine-and-metabolic-disorders/thyroid-disorders/euthyroid-sick-syndrome  )

Much more commonly in our horses is just a low total T4, due to dietary, IR, or PPID issues:   Horses on medications such as bute or Trimethoprim sulfa, with chronic illness such as Cushing's disease, or in racing shape may have falsely decreased total T4. (from the Cornell test interpretations for equine thyroid panels  https://ahdc.vet.cornell.edu/test/list.aspx?Species=Equine&WebDisc=&TstTyp=&Test_Name=thyroid  )

So, you can check thyroid levels to get a baseline, then repeat once diet etc is more under control.  Get the Equine Thyroid panel if concerned: often one finds low total T4, but normal free T4 (which is available to be converted to active T3), and normal T3.

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Jaini Clougher (BSc, BVSc)
Merlin (over the bridge), Maggie, Gypsy, Ranger
ECIR mod/support, BC 09
DDT+E = effective treatment for PPID and EMS/IR equines: https://bit.ly/2J4ZgYT

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jaini%20and%20Merlin-Maggie-Gypsy .
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=34193  
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=39711


Re: Low positive ACTH

 

Hi, Sherry - that's a bit of a tough one.  This time of year, the ACTH should be well within normal; however, the exercise may have had a confounding effect - but how much of an effect, I couldn't say. Added to this is that ACTH will increase as horses age. Gah!

If Scutch were mine, I would hold off on the pergolide for now (but clear this with your vet), then re-test in August, unless you see anything else that gives you an increased index of suspicion.  Alternatively, you could do a TRH stim test, which would give you some pretty clear indication.  If you do decide to start on the pergolide, then start at 0.25 mg, and increase to 0.5 mg after 4 days. Consider using APF during the weaning on period to further prevent the pergolide veil.
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Jaini Clougher (BSc, BVSc)
Merlin (over the bridge), Maggie, Gypsy, Ranger
ECIR mod/support, BC 09
DDT+E = effective treatment for PPID and EMS/IR equines: https://bit.ly/2J4ZgYT

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jaini%20and%20Merlin-Maggie-Gypsy .
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=34193  
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=39711


Low positive ACTH

Sherry Morse
 
Edited

Soooo I had the vet pull blood for an ACTH level on Scutch because I wanted a baseline - he had an abscess last fall for the first time in his life and what I thought looked like slight rotation on that foot when we x-rayed it (vet said not to be concerned about it).  I know that it was a year of crazy weather and abscesses in horses that never get them and the only other sort of sign is I thought he was fuzzier than he's been.  Anyway, somewhat long story short his ACTH came back at 48 (from Cornell).  I haven't actually talked to the vet yet but she left a message suggesting starting him on .5mg and retesting in 6 months.  
 
So my question is (and of course I did a search of the archives and couldn't really find an answer) - with being that slightly over normal would .25mg be a better place to start (my plan would be to retest in 6 - 8 weeks, not 6 months) and then go up to .5 if needed?  
 
Secondary question would be that I know we say 'no significant exercise for 48 hours prior to the blood draw'.  We did about an hour of ring work - including 30 minutes of trotting/cantering - about 36 hours prior to the blood being pulled.  I wouldn't consider that significant but in the overall scheme of things is that something that could have affected the result that much?
 
Thanks for the extra brain cells and I'll get a case history up for him shortly.
 
 
 
 

 


Re: Recent Bloods done

 

There is a typo in the above post: 17 pmol/L should read 17 pg/mL.  Oops! Different units, different normals. 

Thanks, Lavinia - that's what I love about this group: we all watch each others' backs.
--
Jaini Clougher (BSc, BVSc)
Merlin (over the bridge), Maggie, Gypsy, Ranger
ECIR mod/support, BC 09
DDT+E = effective treatment for PPID and EMS/IR equines: https://bit.ly/2J4ZgYT

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jaini%20and%20Merlin-Maggie-Gypsy .
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=34193  
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=39711


Re: Prascend in the water bucket?

Donna Coughlin
 

Prascend dissolves almost instantly in water, a bit faster in lukewarm water. So instead of bothering with a pill crusher, you could dissolve and top the feed with the Prascend "tea." I would only worry that somehow it wouldn't all be consumed. I dissolve 3.5 Prascend tablets in a 6 ml syringe filled with about 4 ml water and syringe it in, followed by a peanut for good measure!



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Donna Coughlin, Duke, Robin Goodfellow, Ariel Max and Obi over the Rainbow Bridge (5/17)


CT 2009

 

 

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