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Re: Blood test result - low blood glucose?

marie allen
 

Thank you Lavinia the front xrays were pre trim but the hinds were post so I’ve asked my farrier to come out this week!! 
I’d be really grateful for any comments on my horse’s lab results in Oct 2018 when I suspected she’d tyed up after getting very cold in the field particularly the raised ck level and the neuts %. Unfortunately though the bloods weren’t taken for a week after the event. Forageplus have been helping me with her diet and looked at these results and suggested I ask Dr Kellon’s advice on this - I’ve never felt my horse has been right even before the laminitis episode (generally very worried about life very hypersensitive, calm one minute to completely wired the next - scoped clear for ulcers) and since the tying up episode if that’s what it was I have wondered about muscle myopathy but maybe ems would explain her behaviour. It could be coincidence but she has been calmer since being on an ems friendly diet and high vitamin e.
i shall get her hay analysed next and tackle my vet about re-testing for ems
thanks in advance 
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Marie and 15 hh TBXConnemara
May 2019
Colchester, UK
Tully's Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Tully%20Case%20History
Tully's Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=92202


Re: boarders blood work

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

4800 ppm = 4800 mg in a kg of the product (2.2 lbs) or 136 mg in 1 oz (28.4 g)
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Case History

 

Hi Chris
Follow the directions in the paragraph below. The blue links are clickable. Join the case history sub-group first, creating a folder for you and your horse. Use your name and your horse's name to name that folder. Your horse's case history will go into that new case history folder. It can also be used to hold hay test documents, etc. Only Word docs and pdf files can be loaded into your Case History folder.

Next set up your signature. Link to that is in the paragraph below.

In order to help you and your equine quickly and effectively, we need you to explain your equine's situation by following the instructions you were sent upon joining. Your completed case history form and ECIR Signature will save days of back and forth questions. If you haven't done so yet, please join our case history sub-group. Follow the uploading instructions so your folder is properly set up and then upload your case history. If you have any trouble, just post a message or email the case history group explaining specifically where you are stuck.

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Bonnie Snodgrass 07-2016

ECIR Primary Response 

White Cloud, Michigan, USA

Mouse Case History, Photo Album


Re: Question about testing hay and high insulin

 

Amy, if you don't test this hay you need to soak it, every time before feeding it, to be safe. If this is last years hay it could be too high in ESC/starch. Another lower cost option is to have the hay tested for just ESC and Starch. These are done as individual tests and you do pay an additional $8 fee. It would cost you $34 to test.
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Bonnie Snodgrass 07-2016

ECIR Primary Response 

White Cloud, Michigan, USA

Mouse Case History, Photo Album


Re: Ranger gone

Lesley Fraser
 

I’m so sorry to hear this, Linda. Ranger was very lucky to have had you as his person for so many years looking after him with such care and kindness, and devastating for you to have lost such a great friend.

Best wishes

Lesley & over the bridge Omar,
2012, Norfolk, UK

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Lesley, 11-2012

Norfolk, UK

Omar - Case History


Re: Are symptoms indicative of progression of PPID?

Leonora B-C
 

Sorry for case history confusion, having major telecomms nightmare here. 

Thanks so much, Tanna, for rescuing my CH file. 

A little bit of extra information.  I had my hay analysed by Forage Plus in February, I was using two different types at that time.
  • Small bale results: digestible energy 2.12 Mcal/kg; crude protein 7.5%; WSC 15.2%; ESC 6.3%; starch 0.5%
  • Large bale results: digestible energy 2.17 Mcal/kg; crude protein 9.0%; WSC 15.6%; ESC 7.0%; starch 0.9%
I'm now using small bales only for the time being.

I hope all the relevant information is now available and apologies again for the tech probs.


Best regards
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Leonora & Guinness
Oxfordshire, UK
Joined May 2018
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Leonora%20and%20Guinness 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=52789 


Re: Ranger gone

Cindy Q
 

I am so sorry to hear this but I know you must have had many many happy loving memories to cherish.
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Cindy - Sep 2017, Singapore


Re: boarders blood work

bokayarabians@...
 

Yes, pretty high iron.-
Kathie with Libby and Sweet P
Cobble Hill, BC, Canada
Aug 2018
Case Histories
Target Photos
Sweet P Photos
Addy Photos
Cherokee Photos


Re: Nuzu Stabul 1 Feed

kimberztaz@...
 

Hi,  Go to Stabul1.com, click on Stabul 1 and scroll down and you will see Order and click on red lettering that says Order on line which will direct you to send Randy's company an email request.


In your message just say that you want to order Stabul 1 for your ppid/ir horse.  Also say that you got info from Kim R in Lafayette, California.


Hope this helps,


Kim R


Re: Are symptoms indicative of progression of PPID?

Tanna
 

Case History ended up loosey goosey in the main Files folder. Have put a copy in Lenora's folder. Hope you don't mind. 


--
Tanna 

April 2019, (Yahoo Group member 2008)

Langley, BC, Canada

Tula Case History 
Hay Analysis I Hay Worksheet


Question about copper

Cynthia Lang
 


-- Hi everyone, 

I am reading about the importance and benefits of adequate copper for all horses. Also read that copper is super important for preventing/healing tendon injuries in Cushing horses. My 10 y o Andalusian gelding has been diagnosed IR but not Cushing. I am following the dietary guidelines recommended on this site. Can’t test hay b/c at boarding stable we get new  coastal hay every 2 weeks. Grazing muzzle is taped closed w gorilla tape. Have not tested water on property.  I soak the coastal and also feed first cut Timothy that is analyzed  within the safe guidelines. Feed California Trace as the supplement and the recommended jiaogulan , magnesium, Vita e and ground flax seed. Worry that at some point he will become Cushings.

My my question is about copper. Can one prevent tendon issues in Cushings horses by feeding a certain amount of copper? Can you cause problems by feeding too much copper? Noticed that the Uckele  general supplement recommended has almost twice as much copper as California Trace. Looked at Uckele’s copper supplement and it has a LOT more per scoop. Want to do all possible to prevent tendon issues. Can I safely supplement the copper in the California Trace? How much can I safely give?

Cynthia Lang & Allegro 
North Central Texas


Re: Are symptoms indicative of progression of PPID?

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Hi Leonora,

There's no case history at that link.

--
Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Are symptoms indicative of progression of PPID?

Leonora B-C
 

Hello Everyone

I've noticed some worrying symptoms in Guinness recently and I'd appreciate any views, comments, suggestions etc.  I've updated his case history and added some body photos for information.

To me, Guinness looks quite poor: he's lost a lot of weight, but has still got fat pads behind his shoulders; he hasn't properly shed his winter coat for the first time ever - this time last year he was smooth, shiny and glossy, now his coat is dull, patchy and he's a bit flaky.  He's lethargic, even by laid back cob standards.  His eyes are watery with clear mucus deposits in the corners, not excessive, but enough.  I can't detect any signs of active laminitis, but he's foot tender over stony ground (his feet have improved, but there's still some way to go and I think his soles are still somewhat thin).

I have no experience of the speed of progression of PPID.  I suppose I thought it would be slow and Guinness would be well controlled on 1.5 mg pergolide for a while, given that his ACTH has never been through the roof and we're not in the seasonal rise time.

Should I increase Guinness's dose of pergolide to 2 mg, incrementally and in discussion with my vet?  The cost of repeat blood tests is problematic, but if essential, I'll get them done - I was going to try to get these done in autumn during the seasonal rise.  Could there be something else going on that needs investigating?

Thank you in advance for any thoughts.

Regards

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Leonora & Guinness
Oxfordshire, UK
Joined May 2018
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Leonora%20and%20Guinness 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=52789 


Re: Ranger gone

Amy
 

So sorry for your loss.  31 years.  Wow.  Y'all obviously made a great team.  Prayers and hugs!
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- Amy 10-2016

Mooresville, Indiana 

Stormy, Case History, Photo Album

 


Re: Nutritionist

Lorna Cane
 

Hi Jan,

Scroll down in our Files to Diet Balancing.
HTH.

--

Lorna  in Kingston, Ontario, Canada
ECIR Moderator
2002
https://ecir.gro
ups.io/g/main/files/PPID%20and%20IR%20Success%20Stories/Success%20Story%20%233%20-%20Lorna%20and%20Ollies%20Story.pdf


 


Question about testing hay and high insulin

Amy
 

My hay guy has brought me around 30 bales of hay.  Can't get anymore until this dang rain stops.   Ugh. I'm sure a lot of you are dealing with this.  Anyway, should I test the 30 and then retest after he can bale some more?  It will come from the same hay field, but I wonder with the delay in cutting and more rain, will it change the s/s?  

I've had to spend $$ on bloodwork and other things for my guy so I'd prefer to only test once.  Trying to figure out the best way.  It's the same hay field and hay guy that I use most of the time and his hay always has tested fine. 

Over the winter I had to buy unknown hay and I think I made a big mistake. His blood work shows insulin at 182 where it was 56 in the fall.  Luckily no seen issues yet.  Except the bloodwork and his energy level is low.  We have been getting more excercise daily.  Should I soak, test or?  His ACTH is 16.7 so we are ok there.  

Also, vet wants to put him on metformin for a bit to try and help lower his insulin.   Thoughts on that?  He hates any powder and currently is refusing his grain.   I've read here about using a syringe  and then flushing with water.  I may have to try that.  

Any advice is appreciated.   I'm so mad at myself for not testing or soaking the hay I had to buy and spend $8 on as I had no other options for hay, but I should have spent the time and money testing or at least soaking.    I felt like we had this thing almost figured out and I let my guard down and now I'm hoping and praying that I can fix this before we have any episodes.   He's never been lame, knock on wood, we can get this under control.  

Any other suggestions on how we can get his numbers back under control?
I will update my CH tomorrow when I get to a computer,  however  it is up to date except the new hay and supplements that would match the new hay.  I am currently feeding the supplements per his CH and 1.5 mg prasend. I think that's what my CH shows as I upped it back in the winter. 

Thanks!
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- Amy 10-2016

Mooresville, Indiana 

Stormy, Case History, Photo Album

 


Nutritionist

Jan Petersen
 

Hi, I am looking for recommendations for someone to re-evaluate my horse’s diet. We did it when I first joined, but I can’t remember her name. Thank you! 

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Jan and RC
Stockertown, PA, USA
Feb 2018
RC Case History
RC Photos 


Re: Ranger gone

Lynn
 

Linda, i can't imagine how you must feel but my heart hurts for you and I'm praying that you will feel comforted and find peace in knowing the long, happy life you gave him. He never had to experience being passed from owner to owner or face an unknown future - he was loved, nurtured and cherished. Bravo to you!
--
Lynn
Beavercreek, Ohio
March 2018
Relevante Case History
Relevante Photo Album

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Re: vitamin e

 

Thank you that helps alot.


From: main@ECIR.groups.io <main@ECIR.groups.io> on behalf of Eleanor Kellon, VMD <drkellon@...>
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2019 7:42:59 AM
To: main@ECIR.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ECIR] vitamin e
 
You can mix it into oil before adding to the feed. It also works to put E capsules in hot water for a few minutes to soften and dissolve them.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


--
Alison, Queen Creek AZ, 2014, Ceniza, Sassy and Sox


Re: Ranger gone

Chris Pennbo
 

So sorry for your loss! Harder because you had so many years together. You'll meet again across the Bridge. Listen for his hoof beats in quiet moments- he's running free in those green pastures waiting for you!
--
-Chris
May, 2019  Big Bear Lake, California
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Chris%20and%20Monte  .

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