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Questions about itching eyes

Deb Walker
 

Well, I have someone coming out tomorrow to re-body clip Scotty. I am just sick of the hair even though I did a body clip in the spring. It's not long/shaggy by any means; just a lot of shedding that I am *done with.*

But back on subject...sorry...I digress...he ALWAYS has itchy/watery eyes. I caught him when I was doing chores mid-day doing a bit of rubbing, but that's not unusual. So, my husband has been helping me feed at night (two 5-gallon buckets of hay cubes/heavy) since I have been advised to try to avoid lifting as much as possible.

I was doing other stuff and my husband called me over that Scotty had hurt himself. He tends to hurt his eyes, and I have both dex ointment (for when I am absolutely sure it's not a cornea problem) and an antibiotic for when I don't know. Well, I for sure didn't know. His eye was bloody, very sore, and I cleaned it up with water and applied the antibiotic only, and again later tonight. I will assess it tomorrow. He is not holding his eye closed (indicating a cornea problem) but this is one of the worst I have seen him do. He has actually cut his lower eyelid at the very least. If it's not better tomorrow I know I will have to call my back-up vet out (mobile vet is on vacation.)

All to say...I thought Spirulina was going to help with allergic reactions, and this eye itching seems to be just that. Just wondering where to go from here going forward. Any thoughts are appreciated.
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Deb and Scotty I/R Probably PPID
Pecatonica Illinois, May 13, 2019
Case History:
 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Deb%20and%20Scotty
Photos:
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=90619


In orchard grass hay do the seeds contribute to higher carbs?

Sandy Carr
 

Hi,

I bought 6 bales of orchard grass hay from my regular supplier who specifically grows low carb hay for PPID and IR horses.....tons and tons of it.  I didn't see the hay before it was delivered and then noticed every bale is full of MILLIONS of seed heads.  

Do the seed heads contribute to a higher carb amount?  The test done by the supplier was not available when I purchased the hay.  They said it would be on their website soon. I've always been very happy with their hay for the last year and a half (ESC and starch in the 5% range) but am wondering now if I got some very "iffy" first cutting hay I should return or feed to my other non-PPID/IR horses.

Thanks in advance!

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Sandy

March 2017, Onalaska, WA, USA

Case History:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sandy%20and%20Andy . 
                        https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=6171 .


Re: biotin/ dr. kellon

Daisy Shepherd
 

lavinia,  what is a good dose for biotin?  are the copper and zinc good ? thank you , daisy and tiko

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Daisy, Tiko and Whisper
CO, April 2019
Case History:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Daisy%20and%20Tiko 
Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=90099&p=Name,,,20,2,0,0


Re: biotin/ dr. kellon

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Uckele Sport Horse Grass:

                    per lb                           per 226.8g dose (2 scoops)

Biotin        10mg (min)                           5mg
Copper     1650ppm (min)                    375mg
Zinc          3400ppm (min)                     780mg

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Lavinia and George Too
Nappi, George and Dante Over the Bridge
Jan 05, RI
ECIR Support Team


Re: biotin/ dr. kellon

Daisy Shepherd
 

i do not have a bag at present but when new bag comes will send the info.  no place to store hay. thanks for the idea. daisy and tiko

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Daisy, Tiko and Whisper
CO, April 2019
Case History:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Daisy%20and%20Tiko 
Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=90099&p=Name,,,20,2,0,0


Re: Preliminary Hay Analysis (from seller): need help balancing high iron with copper/zinc

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 
Edited

You also need to note that the analysis reports everything on a Dry Matter basis as opposed to As Fed. You want to use the As Fed results, which would lower all the values.

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Lavinia and George Too
Nappi, George and Dante Over the Bridge
Jan 05, RI
ECIR Support Team


Re: Scotty's UW Trip - Copied from hoof subgroup

Deb Walker
 

Nikki - I am so sorry you had a bad experience at UW. I cannot say enough good things about them, and my trips there have not cost anywhere in the range you mentioned. They know that Scotty is old, and cannot lift his legs like *normal* horses and are as kind and helpful with him as can be, not making him pick his legs up too far but resting his foot on their knee instead, and the second he seems like he is ready to pull back, they give him a rest and then continue. The only time Scotty had to have a sedative was when he only had 1 mm of sole left (2 years ago) and they saved his life, and his foot. We've had lots of discussions about causes for laminitis and they know I am following ECIR protocol and have commended me for that. They are also followers of Pete Ramey's methods, which I know seem to be a favorite with this board. I can't begin to know why your experience was different, but everyone there has bent over backwards to work with Scotty and me. I am eagerly looking forward to the new farrier and will make a determination from that visit if it is a good fit. I don't have a truck or trailer, so *going* somewhere on a permanent basis is not an option.
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Deb and Scotty I/R Probably PPID
Pecatonica Illinois, May 13, 2019
Case History:
 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Deb%20and%20Scotty
Photos:
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=90619


Re: Flax

Deb Walker
 

Thank you everyone for your input. When you have boarded for 15 years and now do everything on your own, it is very helpful to hear what different people have tried and are doing.

I will check our most local feed store to see if they have stabilized flax. Years and years ago, I did grind from 50 lb. bags. I ended up being leery of it if even though it wasn't ground it was sitting in a hot (or cold) barn, which mine is either/or. I wasn't sure if that was harmful even though it wasn't ground yet. And then I got worried because everyone made a fuss that you must be sure you clean the grinder completely after each grinding, or the remains in it would become toxic. It just became too much work, and that is when I stopped feeding it. But now I am determined to keep doing what I am doing, because Scotty is feeling so much better!!!
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Deb and Scotty I/R Probably PPID
Pecatonica Illinois, May 13, 2019
Case History:
 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Deb%20and%20Scotty
Photos:
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=90619


Re: Preliminary Hay Analysis (from seller): need help balancing high iron with chromium/zinc

gypsylassie
 

Hi Brook, I can't help with the mineral balancing, but the s/s may turn out better when you get the wet chem results.   Also, the figures on the analysis are for dry matter, DM, and we use as sampled/as fed numbers.  The as sampled number will be a bit lower than the DM.   So between those two factors, the s/s *might* be ok.   There is a formula to get the as sampled number using the DM number and the moisture%, but I'll have to look for it.   Hopefully the wet chem numbers will be lower than the NIR.  
Laura K Chappie & Beau over the bridge
2011 N IL



Re: PPID lab results. Help with interpretation please.

Maria Duran
 

Hi Bobbie, 

PPID is not a breed related disease, any horse can adquire it as they age, however IR is, but to my knowledge selle francais horses are not prone to IR as far as I know. I have been balancing a diet for a selle francais PPID mare that showed IR symptoms and laminitis in late july when she was diagnosed PPID. Once the disease is in control her glucose and insulin is consistently within range so she does not show IR at baseline.

I would rule out PPID if you think your horse can be a candidate by age and test glucose and insulin anyway just in case Cushing is getting in the way or the other two breeds are prone to IR.

Best wishes,
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María Durán Navarro 
Dec 2017
Madrid (Spain)

Plutón´s Case History
Plutón´s Photo Album
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Re: Hay analysis results - request for interpretation and balancing, please

Lorna Cane
 

Oh,good, Becky.

Yes,contact someone there. If someone is in your area , it *could* be a reason to choose her....but not necessarily.


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Lorna  in Kingston, Ontario, Canada
ECIR Moderator
2002
https://ecir.gro
ups.io/g/main/files/PPID%20and%20IR%20Success%20Stories/Success%20Story%20%233%20-%20Lorna%20and%20Ollies%20Story.pdf


 


Re: PPID lab results. Help with interpretation please.

Bobbie Day
 

Maria
I’m curious if this breed is prone to IR/PPID do you know?
I’m just wondering because I actually have a horse that I rescued that I had DNA done on and that was in the top three as his breed.
I’ve had some issues with him displaying some IR issues I haven’t yet had him tested (very long story) yet but I am cutting down his feed, omitting sugar etc.
He’s such a sweetheart but went through so much before we got him.


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Bobbie and Desi
Utah, Nov 2018

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Bobbie%20and%20Desi

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=78821


Re: Hay analysis results - request for interpretation and balancing, please

rebecca.ann.crowe@...
 

Hi Lorna,
Gosh, sorry.  I have hit a point of overwhelm with all the information, it seems. I'm not connecting dots! I did see the list of members - is it best to contact one of the people directly? Does it matter which?
Thanks again. 
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Becky Crowe
Luck, Wisconsin, USA
Joined July 2019
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Thunder
Thunder Case History
Thunder Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=93211
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Soozee
Soozee Case History
Soozee Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=93212
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Frodo
Frodo Case History
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Hay Analysishttps://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Becky%20and%20Thunder%20-%20Soozee%20-%20Frodo/2019_07_24_Crowe_HayAnalysis.pdf


Re: Hay analysis results - request for interpretation and balancing, please

Lorna Cane
 

Becky,I don't understand.
Did you scroll down to Help with Balancing?
It's a list of members , trained by Dr. Kellon,who are able to help people balance their hay.

Does that help?

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Lorna  in Kingston, Ontario, Canada
ECIR Moderator
2002
https://ecir.gro
ups.io/g/main/files/PPID%20and%20IR%20Success%20Stories/Success%20Story%20%233%20-%20Lorna%20and%20Ollies%20Story.pdf


 


Re: Hay analysis results - request for interpretation and balancing, please

rebecca.ann.crowe@...
 

Thank you, Lorna.  I read those files when I joined but am struggling a bit with application to the information I have.  I'll keep plugging away. It's a lot to take in! Thanks,
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Becky Crowe
Luck, Wisconsin, USA
Joined July 2019
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Thunder
Thunder Case History
Thunder Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=93211
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Soozee
Soozee Case History
Soozee Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=93212
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Frodo
Frodo Case History
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Hay Analysishttps://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Becky%20and%20Thunder%20-%20Soozee%20-%20Frodo/2019_07_24_Crowe_HayAnalysis.pdf


Re: Hay analysis results - request for interpretation and balancing, please

Lorna Cane
 

Hi Becky,

Well done.
For balancing help, go to our Files, and scroll down to number 6.


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Lorna  in Kingston, Ontario, Canada
ECIR Moderator
2002
https://ecir.gro
ups.io/g/main/files/PPID%20and%20IR%20Success%20Stories/Success%20Story%20%233%20-%20Lorna%20and%20Ollies%20Story.pdf


 


Hay analysis results - request for interpretation and balancing, please

rebecca.ann.crowe@...
 

Hi,
I've attached my hay analysis results at the end of my very long signature.  As I continue to digest the information myself, I would appreciate any help with interpretation and balancing as this is the first time I've worked with a hay analysis.  Many thanks in advance.
Becky

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Becky Crowe
Luck, Wisconsin, USA
Joined July 2019
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Thunder
Thunder Case History
Thunder Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=93211
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Soozee
Soozee Case History
Soozee Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=93212
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Frodo
Frodo Case History
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Hay Analysishttps://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Becky%20and%20Thunder%20-%20Soozee%20-%20Frodo/2019_07_24_Crowe_HayAnalysis.pdf


Re: Blood test units - IR Calculator Link

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Bonnie,

Yes that's correct for the G/I Ratio and RISQI Calculation.  The MIRG Calculation of 8.0 is "High Insulin Responder" which is what Maria said she couldn't calculate.



Re: Blood test units - IR Calculator Link

Bonnie
 

Thanks for clearing that up, Nancy.
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Bonnie and Lad
North Ontario
Dec 2008
 


Re: Blood test units - IR Calculator Link

Bonnie
 

Hello Sherry, this is the link I used and got the "compensated" result. The units were mmol/L for glucose and pmol/L for insulin.

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Bonnie and Lad
North Ontario
Dec 2008
 

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