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Re: Desi not getting better
Bobbie Day
Bonnie
I actually just rinse, I guess I was assuming since it didn’t have any molasses it was ok but maybe that’s contributing? Don’t you lose the pulp though by rinsing after it swells? I do rinse it several times but if you think it will help I’ll certainly take that extra step! ALSO, she walked across her coral to me today, TWICE 😊 I think she was just as surprised as I was, she picked her feet up and didn’t hobble a bit, you would have thought I was a mother watching her baby take its first steps I was so happy! I hope we’re turning a corner, she was doing really well until we hauled her to the vet for new X-rays. -- Bobbie and Desi Utah, Nov 2018 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Bobbie%20and%20Desi https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=78821
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Re: Serious reaction to Prascend? (Vet called)
Sherry Morse
Does he have a fever? Pulses in his feet? Laminitis would be my first concern, then possible impaction (although he has gut noises) but there are many things that could be an issue and Prascend would be at the bottom of my list of suspects, particularly at that low a dose. Thanks, PA 2014 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sherry%20and%20Scutch_Scarlet/Scutch%20Case%20History.pdf
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Re: Serious reaction to Prascend? (Vet called)
rebecca.ann.crowe@...
Thank you. That eases my mind. We were finally able to get him up, and he's not bearing weight on his front left. He's a hurting guy, but at least I have experience in how to address the lameness. Thank you again.
-- Becky Crowe Luck, Wisconsin, USA Joined July 2019 ------- Thunder Thunder Case History Thunder Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=93211 ------- Soozee Soozee Case History Soozee Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=93212 ------- Frodo Frodo Case History Frodo Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=93268 ------- Hay Analysis: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Becky%20and%20Thunder%20-%20Soozee%20-%20Frodo/2019_07_24_Crowe_HayAnalysis.pdf
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rebecca.ann.crowe@...
Thunder started with a 1/4 Prascend a day 4 days ago. Today, we cannot get him up. Initially, I thought he was resting his feet, though that would unusual. He ate his beet pulp. He has gut sounds. He was sweating profusely though that has improved. The vet has over an hour drive. Has anyone seen anything similar?
-- Becky Crowe Luck, Wisconsin, USA Joined July 2019 ------- Thunder Thunder Case History Thunder Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=93211 ------- Soozee Soozee Case History Soozee Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=93212 ------- Frodo Frodo Case History Frodo Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=93268 ------- Hay Analysis: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Becky%20and%20Thunder%20-%20Soozee%20-%20Frodo/2019_07_24_Crowe_HayAnalysis.pdf
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Re: Bronwynn diagnosed with laminitis, case history uploaded
J Foust
Hi Lorna,
I was trying to add an additional 600g of protein. However, I think it would be ok to switch her to the adult diet now. ?? I asked that question in my post with the updated case history. I got the test results back too. I quit soaking the hay, I don't think it's necessary since it's safe for IR. I can't think of what extenuating circumstances could include. I don't think we have any ?? Thanks for replying to my post!! :-) -- Joella Foust Montana 2015 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Joella%20and%20Bronwynn/Bronwynn/Bronwynn%20Case%20History.pdf https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Joella%20and%20Bronwynn/Hay%20Analysis/Lewistown%20Hay%202018.pdf
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Re: Bronwynn diagnosed with laminitis, case history uploaded
J Foust
Hello,
I updated Bronwynn's case history. Metabolic panel results came back. The new information is in red. I would like to switch Bronwynn to an adult diet at 200% NRC. Would this be ok? She turned 5 last March 2019 I am almost done using up the ground peas and would like to switch to a different source of protein. I am researching the options (whey, canola meal, linseed meal, soy bean hulls, any others?) this. I will get her on Mn as soon as I know if it's ok to switch to the Adult diet or not. I hope to have some time today to figure out what "compensated IR" means for her management from her on out. ANY AND ALL HELP IS APPRECIATED! -- Joella Foust Montana 2015 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Joella%20and%20Bronwynn/Bronwynn/Bronwynn%20Case%20History.pdf https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Joella%20and%20Bronwynn/Hay%20Analysis/Lewistown%20Hay%202018.pdf
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Re: Identifying grass type
Lavinia Fiscaletti
Just to be clear,
The Green Meadows Equal Balance chopped forage isn't a mineral balanced option like the ODTB cubes are. Green Meadows guaranteed starch is 2% max, sugar 8% max, fat 6% min. Added vegetable oil, brewer's yeast so may be problematic for horses sensitive to additional yeast. If it is going to comprise a major part of your horse's diet (replacing hay) then you'd need to analyze it to be able to mineral balance it. May be fine to use a small amount as a carrier or as supplemental "chew time" for a horse who can't chew. https://www.kalmbachfeeds.com/sites/default/files/specs/GMNB_0.pdf -- Lavinia and George Too Nappi, George and Dante Over the Bridge Jan 05, RI ECIR Support Team
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Re: Nutrition, Insulin, and Trims for Cushing's/Chronic Laminitis
Hi Jamie,
1 - you can't send attachments to the group, but you can add the file to your Case History folder.
NSC = WSC + starch which would give you a total of 9.2% which is within our recommended guidelines for not needing to be soaked before feeding unless your horse is super sensitive to the NSC content.
If you want a longer explanation Kathleen just gave a very good one the other day - Re: NSC in Standlee compressed Timothy hay
Thanks, PA 2014
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sherry%20and%20Scutch_Scarlet/Scutch%20Case%20History.pdf
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Re: Desi not getting better
Bobbie,
Quick question for you. I looked at Desi's case history to see what you are feeding her. It lists beet pulp as "rinsed". Do you rinse only? Do you Rinse/Soak/Rinse? Doing the R/S/R will remove a lot more sugar from the beet pulp so I wanted to ask you which steps you are actually doing. -- Bonnie Snodgrass 07-2016 ECIR Primary Response White Cloud, Michigan, USA
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Re: Desi not getting better
Bobbie Day
Dr.Kellon
The vet is coming tomorrow to do the nerve blocks and draw blood for the ACTH. I’m hoping to take a video, not sure which will be worse for her. The feet or the arthritis. If it’s the arthritis I just don’t think she’s going to get better. I think I’ve done all I can for that , I guess I’ll see what happens tomorrow. -- Bobbie and Desi Utah, Nov 2018 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Bobbie%20and%20Desi https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=78821
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Re: Third request. PPID lab results. Help with interpretation please.
Hi! Just to make sure this question doesn´t get lost. Looking forward to offered help.
Thank you! -- María Durán Navarro Dec 2017 Madrid (Spain) Plutón´s Case History Plutón´s Photo Album _._,_._,_
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Re: Identifying grass type
Thanks,Bonnie.
There are just the timothy cubes, by the same company, so that's why I was checking. -- Lorna in Kingston, Ontario, Canada
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Re: Identifying grass type
They definitely set their own prices around here , too.
I was just wanting to establish which cubes we were discussing. -- Lorna in Kingston, Ontario, Canada
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Re: Identifying grass type
Lorna I am talking about the Timothy Balance cubes. Up here they cost more than the Green Meadows Equal Balance chopped forage. Plus the chopped hay doesn't require soaking. My horse dislikes soaked "wet" feeds so this timothy forage works really well as a carrier for his minerals. I think it would also be an option for members who are importing extremely high priced hays.
-- Bonnie Snodgrass 07-2016 ECIR Primary Response White Cloud, Michigan, USA
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Re: Nutrition, Insulin, and Trims for Cushing's/Chronic Laminitis
Our hay analysis has been done. I do not see a NSC percentage.
NFC is 17.5%, WSC is 9.3%, ECS is 9.1%, and starch is .1%. Does this analysis indicate that this has should be soaked. Please see attached analysis from Equi-Analytical. Thank you. Jamie Miller -- Jamie Miller Louisville, Kentucky, USA July 2019 Horse: Hiram Walker Walker Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jamie%20and%20Walker Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=93084 Link to Profile for Hiram Walker
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Re: Identifying grass type
celestinefarm
Lorna,
I am paying $23.75 per 50# bag of Ontario Dehy Premium Timothy Cubes and $28 per #50 bag of Ontario Dehy Timothy Balance Cubes. I'm sure each feed store sets their own prices to accommodate for transport. I"m farther downstate from Both Bonnie and the OD distriubutor , who is in Standish Michigan. -- Dawn Wagstaff and Tipperary Saline, MI 2003
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Re: Gunnar declining
I totally agree with what everyone else has said. Bloodwork was perfect and wouldn't change pergolide dose. The pergolide is not causing this. Most TBs and TB cross are difficult to keep weight on. Gunnar was a nice lean BCS 5 in 2017. Add age-related decline in digestive efficiency, tooth wear and overly aggressive dentistry. His blood work is excellent, no signs of organ decline.
I would add Triple Crown Senior to his diet and make it as wet as he will tolerate. Slowly work up to 6 to 8 lbs/day in multiple meals with free choice hay and see how he does on that. -- Eleanor in PA www.drkellon.com
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Re: Identifying grass type
Hi Bonne,
Just to be clear, you are talking about just the timothy cubes, and not the Timothy Balance cubes ? -- Lorna in Kingston, Ontario, Canada
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