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Re: Serious reaction to Prascend? (Vet called)

rebecca.ann.crowe@...
 

Thank you. It was a very scary few hours. I'm mostly thankful it is not likely to be an outcome of starting Prascend because I'm so hopeful that will help him in the long run. 
I suspect he has an abscess on his front left and, while he was okay two nights ago, is not bearing weight on that foot once we got him standing. His reaction could have been the intense pain.  My farrier is coming this morning.  Fingers crossed that we can get his trim updated (I was excited for that too).  If not, we'll get the others and come back to him when he's feeling better.
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Becky Crowe
Luck, Wisconsin, USA
Joined July 2019
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Thunder
Thunder Case History
Thunder Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=93211
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Soozee
Soozee Case History
Soozee Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=93212
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Frodo
Frodo Case History
Frodo Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=93268
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Hay Analysishttps://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Becky%20and%20Thunder%20-%20Soozee%20-%20Frodo/2019_07_24_Crowe_HayAnalysis.pdf


Re: Identifying grass type

Deb Walker
 

If my memory serves me correctly, I think Green Meadows forage is something I tried when Scotty was still being boarded and at first he liked it, but it was wet/molded quickly and he never would eat it again. I had an extra bag that I gave away to a friend. I particularly like that Dr. Kellon recommends the Triple Crown product. Again, Scotty's forage is ODTBC...and S/R/S beet pulp. That is it...that is his diet/forage, except for the supplements recommended here. And he is doing well on it.

What I have been searching for is grass/soft hay to sprinkle on his dry lot. I am still going to call about the Triple Crown product. I hate the Standlee compressed *crap*...it's awful, and I spend more time soaking, chopping it, and hand pulling out stems. But walking around his dry lot, and nibbling is good for my boy's mind, and good for his exercise/tendons.

Meanwhile, I live across the street (for the past 2 years after bringing Scotty *home* vs boarding) from this place:
http://www.clydesusa.com/

They show/breed and it's all right outside my front window. I try really hard to not be a needy horse person. It's hard when you have boarded forever, and now have no one to bounce ideas off of. But I stopped and asked over the weekend, after seeing wagon loads of hay coming their way (and knowing they feed mostly all alfalfa) if they had any grass hay. They had some which they choose not to feed if not needed, and I offered to buy a bale or two. Well, got a text last night that they had dropped off a bale for me and to let them know if I needed more...I asked to pay for it...the reply was that no...that is what neighbors are for. Wow!!!
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Deb and Scotty I/R Probably PPID
Pecatonica Illinois, May 13, 2019
Case History:
 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Deb%20and%20Scotty
Photos:
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=90619


Re: Postscript To Trim Checkup For Relevante

Lynn
 

Hi Lavinia,

I have the photos loaded in Relevante's album for you. Since his trim is Aug. 5 i just went ahead and got all new pics. I also scrubbed his feet with antibacterial soap to try and get the soles as clean as possible. If you need any of these re-done just let me know and I'll run out there and get them. The walling and chipping i see at the bottom of the feet - is that because we aren't taking them in far enough during the trim? Also, when i look at the LH and RH laterals it almost looks like his toes are too long even though it's only week 3. Should i shorten the trim cycle to 3 weeks? Thanks Lavinia!
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Lynn
Beavercreek, Ohio
March 2018
Relevante Case History
Relevante Photo Album

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Re: Salt supplementation: how much is too much?

Brooke
 

Thank you so much this is really helpful.  I saw a target ratio of 3:1 on another member’s Uckele hay analysis/balancing sheet that she must have received prior to placing an order so I got anchored on the “need” to actually balance those two.  Glad to know it’s irrelevant in the context of diet.
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-Brooke-
May 2019, Minnesota
Olive's Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Brooke%20and%20Olive/Olive%20Case%20History.pdf
Olive's Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=91700


Re: Help with trimming -new photos

Sheila
 

I've added the new ones..let me know if you need anything additional.
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Sheila
October 2017
Central CA Sierra foothills

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sheila%20and%20Daniel

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=79191


Mini Archie - Status Update and Hay Analysis Evaluation Requested

Laurie
 

Hi All -

I haven't posted here since last October and I'm delighted to say that my little Archie is doing FANTASTIC! I've uploaded a recent photo with a body comparison from one year ago. When I took him to the vet last month for vaccinations, I weighed him on their scale and he has lost 43 lbs since starting the Emergency Diet last year. I owe a huge debt of gratitude for all the expert help I received from this group when he was in crisis!!

I have kept Archie on the U-Balance Foundation pellets, Vitamin E, and Ground Flax. He is back to being driven, ponied, or worked in the round pen 3-4xs/week.

My hay supplier, who willingly tests his hay for me and did research to learn how to harvest low sugar hay, has emailed me his latest hay analysis results.
Would someone please take a look at them to verify that we're still in a good range and no soaking will be required? The numbers are slightly higher than last year and I'm hoping to stock up for the up-coming year.

Thank you!
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Laurie and Archie
July 2018 - Texas

Case History
:   https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Laurie%20and%20Archie
Photo Album:   https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=62869



Re: Serious reaction to Prascend? (Vet called)

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Tara,

Please start a separate thread for your ivermectin question.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Salt supplementation: how much is too much?

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

I wrote that. The ratios mentioned pertain to daily requirements (Na:K 1:2.5) and sweat losses (Na:K 2:1) so I'm not sure where the 5:1 K:Na came from. In any case, you only need to consider ratios when evaluating the ingredients of sweat replacement electrolyte products. The reason for this is to make sure the product actually provides what you need to replace sweat without having to add more of something. For the base diet and baseline needs, K is always going to be above needs so you only have to worry about meeting sodium (and sometimes Cl). They don't compete for absorption so ratios don't matter.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Nutrition, Insulin, and Trims for Cushing's/Chronic Laminitis

Jamie Miller
 

Sherry and Scrutch, 
 
Thank you for the information and link.  I'll be sure to check that out. 
 
I have uploaded the PDF of the hay analysis to my Jamie and Walker Case History folder.  Walker Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jamie%20and%20Walker 
 
Should I be looking at the "As Sampled" or the "Dry Matter" column?
As Sampled = WSC (Water Sol. Carbs.) 9.3, ESC (Simple Sugars) 9.1, Starch .1 Non Fiber Carb. (NFC) 17.5
Dry Matter = WSC (Water Sol. Carbs.)10.3, ESC (Simple Sugars) 10.2, Starch .1, Non Fiber Carb. (NFC) 19.5

Thank you. 
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Jamie Miller
Louisville, Kentucky, USA
July 2019
Horse: Hiram Walker
Walker Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jamie%20and%20Walker
Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=93084
Link to Profile for Hiram Walker


Re: Salt supplementation: how much is too much?

Brooke
 

Thanks for the info.  I found the “ratio” balancing for potassium on Uckele’s website re: an article “Properly Dosing Electrolytes”.  Knew about Ca, P, and I
Fe, etc. but the K surprised me and was a concern considering the hay alone would have been 89:1. 
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-Brooke-
May 2019, Minnesota
Olive's Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Brooke%20and%20Olive/Olive%20Case%20History.pdf
Olive's Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=91700


Re: PPID lab results. Help with interpretation please.

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

The exercise and possibly the other stressors makes the mild ACTH elevation impossible to evaluate. Glucose is a bit high, maybe stress. Insulin is normal. The hair discoloration is more than likely because the hair is old and should have been shed out long ago. Retained coats turn a terrible rust color.  He does sound like probably PPID. September values will tell you more.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Salt supplementation: how much is too much?

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 
Edited

I don't know where this comes from but you do NOT have to balance sodium to a particular ratio with potassium.  The average horse needs about 10 g of sodium in cold weather, 20 g in hot weather and more if exercised but potassium has nothing to do with it.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Serious reaction to Prascend? (Vet called)

Sheila
 

A few days after I had Max up to the full 1 mg dose, he broke out in a horrible sweat (this was in December) and acted sort of colicy - not really the typical signs - but he was drenched in sweat for about 3 hours.  Took him to the vet and of course by then he was drying off and feeling better.  I never knew if it could be contributed to the prascend or not, but he never had another episode like that.  I scared me, that's for sure.
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Sheila
October 2017
Central CA Sierra foothills

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sheila%20and%20Daniel

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=79191


Salt supplementation: how much is too much?

Brooke
 

I just did all my calculations for balancing my teff hay according to the analyses I got.  Due to the very high potassium content, my calculations suggest I need to supplement 73 g of salt per day (on top of the sodium she gets from other supplements) in order to achieve 5:1 K:Na.  Seems like a ton of salt—can barely get her to eat her supplements when I mix in a small tablespoon of salt.  She doesn’t have any renal issues that I know of so is this amount of salt acceptable?  How can I get her to eat this huge amount?  I have no issues with her drinking water—always guzzles her buckets and see her often at the automatic waterer.  

Thanks!
Brooke
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-Brooke-
May 2019, Minnesota
Olive's Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Brooke%20and%20Olive/Olive%20Case%20History.pdf
Olive's Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=91700


Re: Third request. PPID lab results. Help with interpretation please.

Tanna
 

Hello María

Also not an expert but in regards to your questions... Glucose in the higher end would suggest a bit of stress response (?) which may result in a bit of an increase to ACTH but the symptoms you describe suggest that PPID may be a bit of a factor regardless.

Group experience would suggest that some horses do better in the lower end of the normal range and perhaps the lovely you're looking after may be one of them? 

I would think that the bleaching coat is not related to PPID. Have you got hay balanced to minerals correctly? Perhaps a triple check of your ratios is in order? 


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Tanna 

April 2019, (Yahoo Group member 2008)
Langley, BC, Canada

Tula Case History 
Hay Analysis I Hay Worksheet


Re: Third request. PPID lab results. Help with interpretation please.

Sherry Morse
 

Alanna,

This is not for Pluton but a different horse.  Original message: https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/message/238453



Re: Third request. PPID lab results. Help with interpretation please.

Sherry Morse
 


Re: Third request. PPID lab results. Help with interpretation please.

Maria Duran
 

Hi Alanna, 

These questions and results are from a different horse. This is why I wrote all the info in the post.

I very much appreciate your willingness to help.

Thank you!
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María Durán Navarro 
Dec 2017
Madrid (Spain)

Plutón´s Case History
Plutón´s Photo Album
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Re: Third request. PPID lab results. Help with interpretation please.

 

There are numbers for insulin and glucose from May 8th, no ACTH number and no entries for and more recent testing.
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Bonnie Snodgrass 07-2016

ECIR Primary Response 

White Cloud, Michigan, USA

Mouse Case History, Photo Album


Re: Third request. PPID lab results. Help with interpretation please.

coffincomplex@...
 

Hi Maria. I am not an expert, but would be willing to give my two cents based on my own experience, but do not see any PPID test results for Pluton in his case history other than from 2018. I see the insulin and glucose from this year. Are these the test results you are asking about?

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Alanna
May 2018
South Bend, IN
Buster's case history: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Alanna%20and%20Buster  .

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