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Re: growth of sole/ maybe lavinia

Sherry Morse
 

I would put my money into proper trimming and J-herb.  If you really wanted to feed BCAAs there are much cheaper versions out there but there's a lack of evidence that they actually do anything in horses.  




growth of sole/ maybe lavinia

Daisy Shepherd
 

what is the real scoop on a product , equinety, for sole growth for the IR horse? thank you, daisy and tiko
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Daisy, Tiko and Whisper
CO, April 2019
Case History:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Daisy%20and%20Tiko 
Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=90099&p=Name,,,20,2,0,0


Re: Request for mark ups on fronts

Debra
 

New slo mo walking vids posted


1/2 of new photo set and x-rays loaded - always takes longer than I think it will.
Updating case history.
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Debra Doerfler
San Marcos (San Diego County), California
Lady Sierra Snarf n' Snort AKA "Sierra"
2009 TB rescue mare, adopted 2017
Member since March 2019
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Debra%20and%20Sierra

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=91011


Re: Blessing: New numbers; we're losing ground

Kirsten Rasmussen
 

Hi Helen, 

Other members have reported here that dissolving pergolide dissolved into water and using a syringe to dose it, followed by a treat works well for horses that are distrustful of eating it.

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Kirsten Rasmussen
Kitimat, BC, Canada
January 2019

Shaku's Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Kirsten%20and%20Shaku  
 

Shaku's Photo Album:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=82559&p=Name,,,20,1,0,0   


Re: Blessing: New numbers; we're losing ground

Kathy Thomas
 

Hi, Helen,

I have had success with inserting the pergolide into a small pice of hollowed out carrot. Also, Equi Bites work. They are like tiny muffins made from beet pulp. They have a little hole in the top to insert the meds. Good luck. BTDT!


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Kathy 2017 and Donna

Harrowsmith, Ontario

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Kathy%20and%20Donna


Re: Star, slow healing corneal ulcer, suggestions?

jasperandstarsmom@yahoo.com
 

Yesterday the vet came to recheck Star's eye. The ulcer is thankfully a little smaller, but she did decide to add Star's own serum to our treatment regimen. I am happy to do this, but Star is difficult to get the serum in her eye. Trudging on the best I can.
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-Tina
Jan 2018, Hingham, WI
Star Case History https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Tina%20and%20Star
Star Photos https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=26772


Re: Carrots ok to feed?

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

As an addendum, we never said you can't use even a small piece of carrot to carry pergolide. Many of our members do exactly that.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Blessing: New numbers; we're losing ground

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Pergolide stability

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19210262
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23966481
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21507864  Note that this one shows that pergolide stored at 35 degrees Celsius = 95 degrees Farenheit will lose 10% of potency (ie, will be only 90% as potent as it was at compounding) after only 3 days. This is significant for storage in hot climates.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Blessing: New numbers; we're losing ground

 

Hi, Deb and all! 

Dang, I can't find one of the studies on potency of pergolide under various conditions. However, the bottom line is that pergolide potency is degraded by light, moisture, and higher temperatures; these effects occur over time. Liquid pergolide has been shown to degrade significantly after 14 days. Powdered pergolide that is exposed to air every time the container is opened will be more subject to degradation than pergolide in capsules. Prascend is one of the most stable formulations, because it is in blister packs, and so protected from air and moisture; however, if you have the blister packs in a hot environment, and exposed to light, that pergolide will last much less time that the expiry date on the package.

For best stability, use either Prascend or capsules. Store in a cool, dark, and dry environment. (I have my capsules in a yogurt container on the door of the fridge, with rice in the bottom, plus silica packs to prevent moisture buildup).

More information here:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/files/3%20Cushings%20Disease%20-%20PPID/Cushings%20Disease%20Treatments/Pergolide  
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Jaini 
Merlin and Maggie (over the bridge), Gypsy, Ranger
ECIR mod/support, Smithers, BC 09

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jaini%20and%20Merlin-Maggie-Gypsy .
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=34193  
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=39711


Re: Carrots ok to feed?

 

HI, Elizabeth, and thanks for this post! This is indeed a question that comes up a lot! While the glycemic index of carrots for humans is very low, tons of experience of people in this group have shown that the starch equivalent in carrots can be enough to cause not only foot discomfort, but tip some horses over the edge into frank laminitis (ummm....two big carrots each on Christmas Eve for our crew).

In addition, here is the Two Apples Story. I think about this every day, since we have recently moved to a new place where there are actually apple trees (gasp! -but at least they are in an electric-fenced area to keep the bears out).  https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/message/228585?p=,,,20,0,0,0::Created,,%22two+apples%22,20,2,0,28082719 


“Also, (and here comes the two apples story again - I can just hear everyone groaning), even a small amount of seemingly safe treats can make a difference. I was privileged to rehab an IR Swedish Warmblood who had an episode of laminitis secondary to a rich clover pasture.  Things seemed to be going well (he was at a boarding barn), but he was still hesitant when turning around on the concrete barn aisle. I then discovered that he had been receiving two weeny little apples a day (not the kind you buy in the grocery store - these were the dinky little things that are just about all we can grow up here, maybe two and a half inches in diameter). Those two apples a day, in a 1300 pound horse, were enough to stall the healing process. Once the apples were removed, within 2 days he was turning with ease in the barn aisle.  Make sure your gal isn't getting anything besides feed that is below the !0% ESC plus starch, with starch less than 4%; and no apples etc as treats.”

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Jaini 
Merlin and Maggie (over the bridge), Gypsy, Ranger
ECIR mod/support, Smithers, BC 09

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jaini%20and%20Merlin-Maggie-Gypsy .
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=34193  
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=39711


Re: New Case History - Test Results HELP!!

Deb Walker
 

OK...I know several of you are following Scotty's history/results, and I thank and bless you all.

So, he is on 2 mg Prascend until new ACTH testing on 9/4. I have been around the block more than a few times with him, and I am ecstatic that I have someone to work on his feet, and they will be corrected. BUT, I also know a few of the signals of I/R/PPID. His sheath is still swollen. It has been for several weeks. I just did a sheath cleaning, and it still hasn't gone down. I don't want to interfere with new testing on 9/4. I also know that sheath swelling is a signal that he is still not under control. Any ideas for the next few days before the vet? Just let it go and see what the results are? Change?

PPID
Pecatonica Illinois, May 13, 2019
Case History:
 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Deb%20and%20Scotty
Photos:
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=90619


Re: Blessing: New numbers; we're losing ground

Deb Walker
 

Very interesting Dr. Kellon about liquid pergolide, which I had been using on Scotty for the past year, before going to Prascend, and then to Wedgewood Medimelts, and now, until testing, back to Prascend.

I wish I could understand all the compounding guidelines, and best to use.

Helen...I hope these guidelines will work for you!!!
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Deb and Scotty I/R, PPID
Pecatonica Illinois, May 13, 2019
Case History:
 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Deb%20and%20Scotty
Photos:
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=90619


Re: Mare with severe founder and blood test shows Cuchings

Deb Walker
 

Bless you Martha and thank you. I know I have travelled a very long way that I never thought I would have to go. But you are right...I think we have the best hope ever for a good result and going forward from here. Appreciate the encouragement and input.
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Deb and Scotty I/R, PPID
Pecatonica Illinois, May 13, 2019
Case History:
 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Deb%20and%20Scotty
Photos:
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=90619


Re: Mare with severe founder and blood test shows Cuchings

Marty Thomas
 

I just love your story and want to say what a wonderful thing it is that you've taken such good care of him and that he's still doing so remarkably well. I'm so glad you'll have some real help with this new farrier. You deserve it, and so does Scotty, for sure. What a great team y'all are.


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Re: Blood work results and confused!

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Hi Cheryl,

Sorry, you're right - somehow I just missed the last glucose result in the case history.

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Lavinia and George Too
Nappi, George and Dante Over the Bridge
Jan 05, RI
ECIR Support Team


Re: Blood work results and confused!

Cheryl Oickle
 

Thank you sooo much again for all the feedback. I do not see any changes in Jewel ie excessive thirst etc so it’s hard to present the argument! I may just arbitrarily increase her dose by 0.5 mg thruout the rise anyhow if I can not get buy in from my vet.  I did go back to my case history and my previous blood work IS there so I’m not sure why Lavinia said there  was no glucose etc.
I am so thankful for this group! 
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Cheryl and Jewel
Oct 2018

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Cheryl%20and%20Jewel

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=81063


Re: Carrots ok to feed?

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

There's no question there have been reports of horses getting into trouble when being fed carrots. How much it takes to do that I can't tell you. More than a bite.

Let's take a look at why that might be. Carrots as fed are around 5% sugar, 2% starch (although some strains are much higher) but average 90% water so on a dry matter basis they are 50% sugar and 20% starch. By comparison, hay on a dry matter basis is 7% sugar and 1.6% starch (average for generic "grass" hay at Dairy One). If diluting the sugar and starch by water is all it takes to make something safe to eat, grass at all growth stages would be safe. We all know how that works out.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Seasonal Rise Question Based On New ACTH, Insulin And Leptin Blood Work

Lynn
 

My vet called today. He consulted with the endocrinologist about Relevante's elevated leptin and insulin. The endocrinologist agreed with what was said here on the forum regarding onset of exercise program and the seasonal rise being variables that could be affecting the numbers. He also discussed "breed" stating that he was happy with the numbers considering Relevante is a Paso Fino and to just continue with the current protocol.
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Lynn
Beavercreek, Ohio
March 2018
Relevante Case History
Relevante Photo Album

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Re: Blessing: New numbers; we're losing ground

Helen Connor
 

Thank you, Dr Kellon! I'll pick up some baby peas and not use molasses. I just taped her to be sure about that weight. I recorded it incorrectly. She appears to be 835 today. Much more optimistic scenario on that front, anyway. Thanks for the caution about liquid pergo.

Helen
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Helen Connor and Blessing (IR/PPID)
Scappoose, OR
Member since May 2017
Case History:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Helen%20and%20Blessing
Photo Album:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=6847

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