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Re: Asking For Advice Regarding Getting "Back In The Saddle"

Lynn
 

Thank you again so much for your input Tanna - we are supposed to have clear, cool weather for the next week or so .....so no steps backward LOL. I'll keep you posted on our progress!
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Lynn
Beavercreek, Ohio
March 2018
Relevante Case History
Relevante Photo Album

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False positive insulin results

Cheryl Oickle
 

I challenged Jewels last result of 1422 and her specimen was sent to Cornell Labs. Her new result came back at 32.84uIU/L with their reference range between 10.0 and 40.0.  I am much happier with this result.  Clinically as per her picture she looks amazing.  Her ACTH as reported at 8.2 in her case history although increased remains in the normal seasonal rise range.  Given this new info, would you still recommend an increase in her pergolide? Form 1 to 2 mg during the seasonal rise.  I will update my case history in two weeks as I am away, and as well Jewel will NOT be exercised during this time. My vet is not sure now given this new information
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Cheryl and Jewel
Oct 2018
Port Alberni BC Canada
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Cheryl%20and%20Jewel

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=81063


Re: Asking For Advice Regarding Getting "Back In The Saddle"

Tanna
 

You're most welcome Lynn! 🙂

Onward and upward! 💪😁 I found that after about a week and a half of short, sweet, gradually building rides, my slightly older gal got her groove back and was willing to get to the gym with me, per se! I hope it is the same with you and Relevante! 

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Tanna 

April 2019, (Yahoo Group member 2008)
Langley, BC, Canada

Tula's Case History 


Re: Vitex with and without Pergolide

Deb Walker
 

So should our PPID horses with high ACTH levels also be given CTB? Where do we get it and what dosage if so?
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Deb and Scotty I/R, PPID
Pecatonica Illinois, May 13, 2019
Case History:
 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Deb%20and%20Scotty
Photos:
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=90619


Re: Prognosis

Deb Walker
 

Shevwan...Oh my gosh...your Cassie could be a sister to Scotty. I see so much of the same in pics.

After 2+ years of post full out founder rehabilitation, I would recommend to NOT do glue on's. They make life way easier for us, but the final affect from them has been disastrous for Scotty. I go crazy when I can't take off a boot and see/tend to the hoof each day. And now, I know why. I am no expert here, except that my 35+ year old horse is still alive, and walking, and doing well. Jinx the glue on's IMHO.
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Deb and Scotty I/R, PPID
Pecatonica Illinois, May 13, 2019
Case History:
 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Deb%20and%20Scotty
Photos:
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=90619


Re: The Pergolide Dosage Database - Thu, 09/05/2019 #cal-notice

Deb Walker
 

Thanks for the link. I think I have entered the most current information for your case studies.
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Deb and Scotty I/R, PPID
Pecatonica Illinois, May 13, 2019
Case History:
 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Deb%20and%20Scotty
Photos:
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=90619


Re: New Case History - Test Results HELP!!

Deb Walker
 

I just wanted to follow up on this thread. Have Scotty on 2 mg Prascend and blood draw to Cornell as of 9/4.

Meanwhile, I presented the questions to Wedgewood that Dr. Kellon commented on and they have agreed to refund my cost for the medi-melts. I offered to send the product back to them for testing, but they did not ask for that. The refund will go to my vet and I have included her in the emails so she knows to look for it, and it will at least compensate for this new ACTH test.

Based on whatever the new results are from Cornell, I will probably go with a different compounding company...probably Pet Health Pharmacy who can put in a capsule the exact amount that Scotty needs going forward.




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Deb and Scotty I/R, PPID
Pecatonica Illinois, May 13, 2019
Case History:
 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Deb%20and%20Scotty
Photos:
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=90619


Re: The Pergolide Dosage Database - Thu, 09/05/2019 #cal-notice

ferne fedeli
 

Thanks Lavinia.  I thought I had updated it awhile back, but guess not.  I filled out the form (with my Case History along side) and so hopefully it gets updated this time.
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Ferne Fedeli     2007

No. California
Case History

Regional Members Database Coordinator

 - see who is near you

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Re: Update on sample handling for ACTH

Deb Walker
 

Thank you for that...even though I didn't understand all of the analysis, I understand what you are saying. Scotty was just re-tested on 9/4 with everything sent to Cornell for ACTH only. Awaiting results.
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Deb and Scotty I/R, PPID
Pecatonica Illinois, May 13, 2019
Case History:
 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Deb%20and%20Scotty
Photos:
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=90619


Re: Prognosis

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Hi Shevawn,

Thanks for adding that radiograph. Unfortunately, the shot was taken from slightly below the foot, aiming upward and it doesn't look like Cassie was standing squarely on the foot when the view was taken so it limits the information you can get.

In the rad, the trim isn't horrible but it isn't optimal either. Toe is definitely longer than it should be (dishing in the dorsal wall is a red flag for this), sole is thin. As Dawn mentioned, I really need a full set of current hoof photos to be able to make any useful specific suggestions other than her sole should not be touched AT ALL during trims and only gently brushed clean at other times. Here's what shots are needed:

https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/wiki/Hoof-Related-Photo-Instructions

Any kind of permanently attached appliance is only a band-aid if the trim underneath isn't optimal. She should be wearing boots with pads in them at all times until she can add sole depth. The boots should have bevels added to both the toes and across the heels of the treads to put the breakover in the right position. Boots not only protect the thin sole, they also provide pressure-and-release stimulation that encourages more sole to be put down. If she is sore, then she shouldn't be formally exercised so that means just allowing her to wander about is correct for now.

Have you had the hay tested and mineral balanced? Have you had any repeat blood work done to see what her insulin, glucose and ACTH levels are at since the ones from last Oct were done? Is she on pergolide as her ACTH was borderline for PPID last year (if the blood was pulled during Oct)? Even if you get the trim perfect, she still won't improve if the definite IR and possible PPID aren't also being well managed, as those are the underlying driving forces for the foot problems. If all of these things have been done, would you please update her case history with that info so we know how to help you more.

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Lavinia and George Too
Nappi, George and Dante Over the Bridge
Jan 05, RI
ECIR Support Team


Re: Hay Balancing

Lorna Cane
 
Edited

Hi Kathy,

Check in our Files, under Diet Balancing.
It's the 6th item from top.

Scroll down to number 3, Help with.....it contains a list of people who are available to balance members'  hays.


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Lorna  in Kingston, Ontario, Canada
ECIR Moderator
2002
https://ecir.gro
ups.io/g/main/files/PPID%20and%20IR%20Success%20Stories/Success%20Story%20%233%20-%20Lorna%20and%20Ollies%20Story.pdf


 


Hay Balancing

Kathy Thomas
 

I now have the results of the new hay samples. 
To whom should I send these results so that
I can get my minerals balanced?  Thanks!
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Kathy 2017 and Donna

 

Harrowsmith, Ontario

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Kathy%20and%20Donna


Re: New Member - advice please

Sherry Morse
 




Re: pasture weeds sugar/starch content; maybe dr. kellon

celestinefarm
 

Daisy,
Equi Analytical doesn't have clover hay or fresh clover in it's data base. The best discussion I know of on ESC and Starch levels is from Katie Watts of safer grass. Remember that all pasture plants fluctuate with the day, season, weather, etc. as far as sugar and starch. Some have higher capabilities of sugar production, which is reflected in hay. 

Here is Watt's article from her site.

http://www.safergrass.org/pdf/safergrasses.pdf

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Dawn Wagstaff and Tipperary   

Saline, MI  2003

Tipperary Case History

Juniper Case history: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Dawn%20and%20Juniper/Case%20history%20Juniper.pdf .


Re: New Member - advice please

celestinefarm
 

Alisa,
Is your vet certain your pony did not ingest a poisonous plant in her pasture? I don't know what poisonous plants are a problem in the UK, but here in the USA, we have a list of them.  Some of the symptoms you describe also appear in poisoning cases. The rapid respiratory rate and subsequent laminitis....
Just another consideration.
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Dawn Wagstaff and Tipperary   

Saline, MI  2003

Tipperary Case History

Juniper Case history: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Dawn%20and%20Juniper/Case%20history%20Juniper.pdf .


Re: Triple crown feeds

Sherry Morse
 



Re: Triple crown feeds

celestinefarm
 

Cindy,
Many of us have experienced episodes of laminitis on the 30% and several members sent the 30% in for testing at Equi Analytical. The ESC and Starch were well above 10% , I think one member had a bag that tested 10% starch alone. So the group doesn't recommend it as the ESC and Starch levels are not guaranteed. 
Good on you for not trying the Wellsolve, it also is not guaranteed and I believe members have found it has high iron.

The TC are balanced to themselves, meaning that every batch of timothy used in them is tested, then mineral and vitamin balanced to provide what a typical horse would need if that was all they were eating. You also need to add Vit E, salt , and flax.  They are not a supplement, they are a complete forage that was designed to be used as either a horse's sole diet( no long stem hay, grain, pellets, etc. or as a carrier in a small amount for custom vit and mineral supplementation) . So if you are using them to supplement all four of your horses, you would need to add the appropriate vit/mineral supplement for each horse. The three year old is still growing( I have Morgans, they don't mature until at least age seven) and may need additional vit/protein, etc. , albeit not much more than the adult horses.  
Here is the llst of acceptable ration balancers. These do not have added iron, and are considered appropriate for IR and PPID horses.  You can print out pdf , I have one in my barn for when my vet comes, and we are "discussing " a recommendation, LOL. All of these balancers can be ordered online and shipped to you. 

https://ecirhorse.com/assets/documents/ECIR-Group-DDTE-Safe-Feeds.pdf

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Dawn Wagstaff and Tipperary   

Saline, MI  2003

Tipperary Case History

Juniper Case history: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Dawn%20and%20Juniper/Case%20history%20Juniper.pdf .


Re: Prognosis

celestinefarm
 

Hi Shevawn,
Dr. Kellon or Lavinia will have a more expert opinion for you, but there are a couple of things I see in the June xray. Since it's not current, I don't know how relevant to today it is. She could use a bevel in the toe in front of and just to the white line( but I would not bevel into it). She has too much flatness in the toe area, which doesn't allow her roll off her toe, rather she is still having to move like she has on clown shoes, although she isn't grossly long. It is likely contributing to the tripping. Rolling that toe needs to be done very carefully, as she has virtually no sole.  I wouldn't put any thing on her sole area, no poultice, oils, hardeners, etc.  I would put her in well fitting boots with soft to medium soft pads, and soft rides would probably be best, with the laminitis pad insert( it's got soft gel at the toe area).
I'm not a fan of any kind of shoe, boot, etc. that is not easy on and off when a horse's hoof is this fragile. You need to be able to keep the toe back , even if it is just two swipes with a rasp once a week. "Worthwile" exercise , IMO, is absolutely contraindicated for her right now. Allow her to simply wander on a track , as she feels up to it, (she's the best judge of those feet) is in her best interest. 

Lavinia has more experience with glue on shoes, she may have a different perspective than I do. 

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Dawn Wagstaff and Tipperary   

Saline, MI  2003

Tipperary Case History

Juniper Case history: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Dawn%20and%20Juniper/Case%20history%20Juniper.pdf .


Prognosis

Shevawn Romine
 

I uploaded one xray from June for Cassie for Right Hoof.  Could I get feedback on hooves in this condition?    I think trim is ok,   but one year from laminitis attack,  she remains very sore.   Recently tried Hoof Armour ,   and the sole prep needed/done made soreness even worse and had to put boots back on.    Would glue on  rubber shoes be a long term option?   She also trips a lot,  almost as if she can't feel front feet.    Toes don't seem too long.  Not able to get her any worthwile exercise (just meanders around her small track) ,   which is the only thing in the ECIR protocol she doesn't have.    
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Cassie and Shevawn
03/2015   Gordon, TX
CH folder:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Shevawn%20and%20Cassie 
Photos:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=76832


Re: The Pergolide Dosage Database - Thu, 09/05/2019 #cal-notice

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 
Edited

Hi Fern,

Yes, you can check your horse's info or update it as needed:

https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/message/240036

Or go to the Pergolide Database from the link in the WIki.

Just click on the Update Existing entry. Once the page opens, there is an option to view your current info - just click on the link and it will take you to a read-only version.

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Lavinia and George Too
Nappi, George and Dante Over the Bridge
Jan 05, RI
ECIR Support Team

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