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Re: Is Cushings inevitable?

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Here are some definitely not thin, probably BCS 5.5 to 6, Fjords:

http://www.nfhr.com/catalog/index.php?colors=1

https://www.123rf.com/photo_19053428_beautiful-fjord-pony-stallion-moving-in-paddock.html

https://shoestringstable.wordpress.com/2011/09/07/ask-the-audience-fjords/overall-high-point-stallion-in-nfhr-evaluation-program/

Drop down for this one http://www.norwayheritage.com/snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6431

Not to be insulting but he is quite definitely still fat. The thick and often cresty  Fjord neck can deceive the eye into thinking the body is in proportion. Try covering his neck and comparing his body bulk to his legs.

It has been said that any horse that lives long enough will develop PPID and there's probably a lot of truth to that. Age is still the only proven risk factor.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001

Re: Increasing Mill's Pergolide

millionairess1989
 

Hi Sherry,

Yes, it is correct. The Pergolide capsules came from Pet Health Pharmacy and are stored in the refrigerator door. Blood draw was 9-8-19 at around 2pm, spun within 30 minutes and frozen for ACTH. Mill got her Pergolide about 7pm the night before, which I just poke in her mouth.
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Jennifer & Mill & Jack
Middle TN  2010

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jennifer%20and%20Millionairess

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jennifer%20and%20Jack-TN%20Walker

Re: Lily suspected of ringbone

Kati Indigo
 

Thank you for clarifying that Dr. Kellon. I remember you had mentioned arthritis. Thank God tomorrow is Thursday already with the vet coming. Last night Lily's right foot hurt her a lot again. Hopefully we can find out what causes her right one to hurt more than the left that shows more arthritic changes.
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Kati and Lily in Arizona member since October 2018

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/filessearch?q=kati+and+lily

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=77277

Re: Lily suspected of ringbone

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Did the left show more arthritic change on other films? Don't  see it on the ones in the files but the angle of the film is  bad.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001

testing during seasonal rise while on EPM meds

vicky monen
 

Hello,
My guy is presenting off in his front end today.  I have  not drawn his blood work yet for the seasonal rise.  He has recently relapsed with EPM and is still currently on the EPM medication.  Will the EPM medication cause any issues with the results of the lab work needed for IR/Cushings?  I am unsure if the lameness I am seeing is from IR/Cushings or the EPM, but its new symptoms. I was holding off on running the labs until he was finished with the EPM meds, but that wouldn't be until the end of the month. When is the best time to test during the seasonal rise?  I just want to make sure The EPM meds wont affect the Insulin and ACTH results?

Also, there have been a few green acorns starting to fall in his paddock.  What are the chances that a few acorns ingested would cause an insulin issue?

Vicky Monen and Samson

Aug 2015, Alpharetta Ga.

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=1226

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Vicky%20and%20Samson

Re: Is Cushings inevitable?

Maria Duran
 

I am curious, is in these examples the cresty neck a natural feature of the breed or is it pointing out an IR degree?
How was the guide about fat over or under the nuchal ligament indicating IR? I don't remember well sorry.
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María Durán Navarro 
Dec 2017
Madrid (Spain)

Plutón´s Case History
Plutón´s Photo Album
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Re: Emmie. Updated and uploaded Case History

ellen@...
 

Thank you for the quick response.  Vet called and will be here Monday to draw blood to test for Lyme.
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Ellen 
New Hampshire
2014
Emmie's Case History https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Ellen%20and%20Emmie

 

Re: High Zinc in my new Hay

 

I see that you had your hay tested with the NIR method which isn't as accurate as the wet chem method of testing. The lab may still have your hay sample on hand. If they do you could have the zinc tested again using the wet chem. They only hold hay samples for so long so you would need to be quick about sending an email if you want another test done. Personally I would have this retested.
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Bonnie Snodgrass 07-2016

ECIR Primary Response 

White Cloud, Michigan, USA

Mouse Case History, Photo Album

Re: testing during seasonal rise while on EPM meds

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

What is he on? None of them will affect ACTH.

Your vet can easily separate hoof pain from EPM with a nerve block if need be.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001

Re: short term insulin intervention

 

Cassie, was the blood draw fro the insulin test done at home, non-fasting (hay for the four hours before blood draw). Or was the blood draw done under other curcumstances, like trailering, strange environment, etc. Because her insulin could rise because of numerous events.
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Bonnie Snodgrass 07-2016

ECIR Primary Response 

White Cloud, Michigan, USA

Mouse Case History, Photo Album

Re: testing during seasonal rise while on EPM meds

vicky monen
 


-- He is currently on the 28-30 days of Decoquinate powder.  He already finished the 10day Decoquinate/Levimisole paste.

Question, the acorns....  Barn manager said that the acorns will not affect them unless he eats mass quantities in order for acorns to be toxic.  Can acorns in small quantities affect insulin?

Thank you!

Vicky Monen and Samson

Aug 2015, Alpharetta Ga.

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=1226

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Vicky%20and%20Samson

Re: Is Cushings inevitable?

jmc
 

Dr Kellon,

Is there any knowledge at all why some horses show signs so early then? I've suspected early PPID IN Yankee since he was about 8... I believe there are others here with young horses with confirmed PPID as well.  He was confirmed IR in 2017, but he was compensated IR until the seasonal rise.

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Jodi
June 2018
NW Wyoming

Yankee Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jodi%20and%20Yankee

Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=54386

Re: short term insulin intervention

Cassie
 

The blood test was done at home, non-fasting.  She was dealing with acute symptoms of the THO, though - facial paralysis and other neurologic symptoms.
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Cassie

March 2017

Washington

Ellie Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Cassie%20and%20Ellie
Ellie Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=10111

Re: Is Cushings inevitable?

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

I think one reason is that horses with EMS are more likely to get tested and also more likely to get laminitic during the seasonal rise. Yankee was positive by his last ACTH but negative a year ago by TRH stimulation. It may very well be he doesn't need pergolide except during the seasonal rise months.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001

Re: testing during seasonal rise while on EPM meds

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

No known effect of the decoquinate.

Acorn toxicity seems to vary from year to year but they are sky high in starch so definitely an issue for EMS.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001

Re: High Zinc in my new Hay

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

NIR is never used for zinc. It's always wet chem.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001

Laminox

Bobbie Day
 

Dr. K
is Laminox safe to feed on a daily basis or do you suggest that it should be fed only when in crisis? I have some and just wanted to know if it’s safe to feed with her other supplements?

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Bobbie and Desi
Utah, Nov 2018

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Bobbie%20and%20Desi 

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=78821

Re: Laminox

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

It's safe to feed any time.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001

Ration balancing

cymraes58
 

This may be a stupid question, but I now have one pony with IR and one gelding with Cushings.  They both eat approximately the same amount of hay, so if I have the hay mineral balanced for one, would the amounts recommended be the same for both horses?

Re: Ration balancing

Lorna
 

Not a stupid question at all!

When I have a situation like this, I go by the  weights of the 'ponies'. If I have a 1000-pound gelding, and a 500-pound pony (for easy example), I work out the amount of the mix needed by the 1000-pound horse, and feed 50% of that amount to the 500-pound pony.
There may be situations where this isn't recommended but I hope someone will alert us to that, if so.

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Lorna  in Kingston, Ontario, Canada
ECIR Moderator
2002
https://ecir.gro
ups.io/g/main/files/PPID%20and%20IR%20Success%20Stories/Success%20Story%20%233%20-%20Lorna%20and%20Ollies%20Story.pdf