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Re: Hidding Prascend

gypsylassie
 

Ps.  Maria, I wasn't suggesting Oreo cookies, they'd be too crunchy, but just as an example of a small cookie's numbers.
Laura K Chappie &. Beau over the bridge
2011 N IL


Re: How many PPID horses still rideable

ferne fedeli
 

Lynn, I rode my Icelandic until a little over a year ago and I stopped mainly because he ran off with me because his donkey buddy was calling for him.  He was 24 and I was 78.  So he definitely was not having a lack of energy!!!  Ha!  I rode a few more times after that episode, but decided it was time to hang it up before I got hurt.
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Ferne Fedeli     2007

No. California
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Re: How many PPID horses still rideable

Lynn
 

Hi Lynn
I don't know if this helps but my Paso Fino is 22.  Saturday– 1 year, 7 months and 8 days following his diagnosis of PPID/IR in February 2018 (ACTH 221 pg/ml)  and following laminitis in September 2018, Relevante and I went on our first trail ride. He did really well…I kept him to a walk (and boy was that hard – he wanted to go!) we kept to the most level parts of the trail – though there were some gentle inclines and a creek crossing. We rode for just under an hour. He wore his Cavallo Trek boots with pads. I checked him again today...no soreness. I'm riding him Thursday and trail riding again on Saturday. Next week i'll start letting him gait for perhaps 5 minutes or so and then build up from there.  We plan to be able to do approximately 2-hour trail rides with moderate hills and creek crossings by next summer which is what we were doing before he got sick.  On the 26th we're participating in a Halloween costume contest at our barn. I think he wants to be Batman.
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Lynn
Beavercreek, Ohio
March 2018
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Re: How many PPID horses still rideable

Lorna Cane
 

Hi Lynn,

Sorry.This has happened before. I read your CH on my tablet,and the most recent entry was last Jan. I'm assuming I need to be on my PC for accurate readings.Love technology.
My horses were not being ridden aggressively. Some were still working at their Hippotherapy jobs, but this was in no way strenuous work. Some were being hacked out in the country,but not galloping,although they could have.
Others here,though,can tell you about their older horses still being ridden into their thirties,and thriving.
If it were me ,I'd be exploring other areas that might be slowing him down....although ,sorry, I can't remember his level of work.
Maybe hoof probs ? Maybe saddle issues? I'm just guessing, because still for me,24 is not old.
In my area,though, I learned a couple of years ago that 18 is considered old! Biting tongue!
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Lorna Cane
Ontario, Canada
2002


 


Re: Insulin...200+ OMG!

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

To be fair, they probably didn't know the reason - technician error of some sort, test malfunction,  misplaced decimal  point - lots of possibilities.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Insulin...200+ OMG!

ferne fedeli
 

I once had an unusually high reading and my vet asked Cornell to redo the test and it came out much lower.  They apologized, but did not offer a reason for the error...
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Ferne Fedeli     2007

No. California
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Re: How many PPID horses still rideable

grandmalynn44
 

Thanks Lorna. It’s good to have the older horse age perspective. I did post a recent case history a couple of days ago. Bodie’s most recent ACTH in early September was 38.7 (9-35) when he was on 4.5 mg pergolide. I have increased it to 6.0 mg trying to keep pace with the seasonal rise. I know there are older horses living their retirement years comfortably “out to pasture” so to speak, but were your older horses being ridden in their thirties and early forties?  And if so, how aggressively?  I see Bodie aging in different ways and I’m just wondering how much to reasonably expect from him. Thanks for your input. 
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Lynn McKechnie

N. California, May, 2011

Mica:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Lynn%20and%20Mica  
Bodie:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Lynn%20and%20Bodie


Re: Appropriate timing to start using Jiaogulan

 

Well this has been informative to read. I'd like to encourage ECIR  members to read message chains about other member's horses. We can learn a lot!
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Bonnie Snodgrass 07-2016

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White Cloud, Michigan, USA

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Re: Insulin...200+ OMG!

chemelle
 

I will ask about that. We did have a pretty sudden short stretch of unusually cold weather but I think we were out of it by then and he was definitely not sedated.
Thx!
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Chemelle
Hillsboro, OR
2019
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Re: PPID driving IR and fluid(?) behind eyes?

Lorna Cane
 

Thank you Dr. Stephen, for taking the time to come here, and for providing a fuller picture of the situation with Shaku's blood work. 

Kirsten and Shaku are lucky to have you on their team.

I hope you'll be able to find time to come here again.......not because you feel it necessary to defend yourself,though. Just to join us , so that we all can learn.

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Lorna Cane
Ontario, Canada
2002


 


lab draws/dr kellon

Daisy Shepherd
 

are there any other supplements that would be beneficial for tiko. you have his hay report for analysis.  thank you, daisy and tiko
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Daisy, Tiko and Whisper
CO, April 2019
Case History:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Daisy%20and%20Tiko 
Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=90099&p=Name,,,20,2,0,0


lab draws/ maybe dr kellon

Daisy Shepherd
 

will put in my case hx as soon as i can; labs done after being on pasture  for 10 days with no grazing muzzle done 10/01/19 for about 6 hours per day.  labs done 5/2019 was not compensating then after 2 months back in muzzle he was  compensating ir in  6/17/19, ; new labs insulin 23.6, glucose 104, , ratio 4.4,risqi  at 0 .21, mirg at 8.0 , leptin at 10.4, all put him back in not compensating;  how much non compensating is he. i plan to do labs again mid to late november.  i guess i should put muzzle on again for  about 6 weeks then repeat labs; pasture choices are short overgrazed or  much larger pasture   10 plus acres , taller grass  some clover minimal alfalfa  but much more moving about. thoughts, thank you, daisy and tiko
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Daisy, Tiko and Whisper
CO, April 2019
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Re: How many PPID horses still rideable

Lorna Cane
 

Hi Lynn,

As a horse owner whose horses have lived to be in their thirties and early forties, I don't see 24 as being old. 
If it were me,I would test ACTH again. I think it hasn't been tested since last January, when the results were good,but when,also, they weren't being affected by seasonal rise.
His lack of energy may not be from this, bit I would start there.

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Lorna Cane
Ontario, Canada
2002


 


Re: PPID driving IR and fluid(?) behind eyes?

Kirsten Rasmussen
 

Thank you Dr Stephen for jumping in, you and your team do provide the highest standard of care for Shaku (who has other problems in addition to IR) and you already know how much we rely on you and appreciate everything you do.  You genuinely care and I see that in how you ask after the dogs and how you were upset by Anna's death in the spring.   Without you and your team I don't know what Shaku's life would be since he needs regular procedures...he likely would have been PTS.

I should have re-emphasized that the reasons for pulling blood post-sedation were outside our control, as Dr Stephen explained, rather than not making it clear that Dr Stephen was not at fault in any way, so I must apologize for not making it clearer.  Despite arranging with the small animal clinic a drop off at 1215pm, no one was there and I waited 30 min with the sample (not on ice because it's just 2 min away) hoping someone would come back from lunch and process it.  We both agreed a new blood sample would be better than one not processed immediately, but I wanted to make sure so that evening I asked the group for feedback and learned the post-sedation blood was not going to give accurate numbers.  Money being very tight for me (truly, after this year's hay bill for low sugar hay etc I am completely broke), I decided to ask the small animal clinic to dispose of it.  I am still waiting to hear if they have someone who is comfortable doing a blood draw on horses to come out and resample.

I feel sick thinking that Dr Stephen feels attacked and that my words have been a part of that.  I am truly sorry.


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Kirsten and Shaku (IR)
Kitimat, BC, Canada
January 2019

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Re: PPID driving IR and fluid(?) behind eyes?

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

I'm sorry you feel the need to defend yourself. All I said was the results would be difficult to interpret. Please see messages 182526 and 222970 for references.  This is a drug effect, not a stress effect.

True that shipping, fasting, different feeds etc. can influence the metabolic results and that is exactly why we recommend a strict protocol in sampling including no shipping https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27651674, https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18315878. 

I hope you will be able to stop in often and peruse www.ecirhorse.org as well as the free proceedings from our last three conferences. Our goal is to stay on top of publications in this field and pass that information on to our owners and their hard-working caretakers.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Hidding Prascend

gypsylassie
 

Maria, I can't speak to the egg allergy question, but you might find a vegan cookie somewhere.   They would not have any eggs and often vegan products are lower in sugar because vegans are often more health conscious, although not always. 
Also, I just looked at a package of Thin Oreo cookies I bought for my  mother in law.   They don't have eggs in them, fat is 1.5g,  and the total sugars for one skinny cookie are 2.75 grams or 5.5%.   Which is high, but might be small enough to not impact him.  
Laura K Chappie & Beau over the bridge
2011 N IL


Re: did turning out too early cause more hoof abscesses?

Cheryl Oickle
 

My philosophy for all creatures big and small..motion is lotion

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Cheryl and Jewel
Oct 2018
Port Alberni BC Canada
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Re: Understanding lab results

Nancy C
 

You can copy and paste the URL from your CH and load it into your auto signature, even on your phone. 

This is your link
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This is your member profile
https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/member/4033828?p=,,,100,0,0,0::joined,members,brenda,100,2,0,4033828

Don't forget to hit SAVE. Lol.

The phone is definitely less friendly than a desk or laptop but it can be done!
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Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
ECIR Group Inc. President/Treasurer  2019-2020
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Re: Insulin...200+ OMG!

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Hmmm. Unless he was sedated or you had a sudden cold snap I'd ask that the test be repeated. They may still have the sample. Even a high sugar hay shouldn't do that.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


How many PPID horses still rideable

grandmalynn44
 

I’m not sure if there is information in the pergolide database that indicates how many horses on pergolide are still being ridden and at what age.  Bodie is 24 and still being ridden.  However, I wonder if some of his lack if energy is due to age or symptoms of his PPID being not controlled well enough. 
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Lynn McKechnie

N. California, May, 2011

Mica:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Lynn%20and%20Mica  
Bodie:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Lynn%20and%20Bodie

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