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Re: ECIR Group - We can’t do it without you.

Helen Connor
 

Hi Nancy, I think just increased my monthly donation from $15 to $25/mo on Mighty Cause. I hope I did this properly. My intention is to give one gift a month, in the amount of $25. If I end up giving twice a month, I'll be back in touch. Helen Connor



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-------- Original message --------
From: Nancy C <threecatfarm@...>
Date: 11/13/19 1:17 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: main@ECIR.groups.io
Subject: [ECIR] ECIR Group - We can’t do it without you.

An important message from our hardworking Marketing Director Fran:

Dear ECIR Group Members ~

Good news!
Last year, we launched a campaign to recruit 100 donors who would be willing to sign up for small monthly donations through our fund-raising site, Mightycause. And thanks to our wonderful supporters, we successfully met this goal last year! This enabled us to secure $6,000 from a friend of the ECIR Group to help fund our online Case History project. I am happy to share that this project is nearing its launch date!

We need your help.
Since January of this year, our recurring donations has dropped by 30%, largely due to credit card expirations. Without a consistent amount of monthly donations, it’s difficult for us to plan projects. If you are one of the people who has not updated your credit card information through Mightycause, would you do us the favor of updating that information now? Here’s how:

1. Click this link https://www.mightycause.com/organization/Equine-Cushings-And-Insulin-Resistance-Group
2. Click on the icon that looks like a person in the upper right corner of your screen and sign into your account.
3. Scroll down to RECURRING DONATIONS, then click on the pencil icon and you can modify your payment options there.

 If you’re not currently donating to The ECIR Group Inc. and would like to give us a hand, here’s how:

1.  Go to https://www.mightycause.com/organization/Equine-Cushings-And-Insulin-Resistance-Group (you’ll need to join the site if you haven’t already done so).
2. Click on the icon that looks like a person (upper right corner of your screen) to either join the site or login.
3.  Find EQUINE CUSHING’S AND INSULIN RESISTANCE GROUP INC., then enter the amount you’d like to donate. Click on MAKE MY DONATION MONTHLY, and you’re done.

Since we are a nonprofit organization, all donations are tax-exempt for US members. A group of people donating as little as $5/month can truly help us with our mission to improve the welfare of equines with metabolic disorders across the globe.

And now, more good news.
Our volunteers have been very busy this year. In addition to the online Case History project, our small-but-mighty volunteer force has been working on a series of films depicting our protocols for Diet, Trim and Exercise (the latest film DIET AND DRUGS was just recently released); and we have been working on the plans for our 2020 Conference (Harrisburg, PA the weekend of October 23-25). These massive projects will help us take a huge step forward in our ability to quickly and effectively help horses, donkeys, and mules around the world with Cushing’s Disease and/or Equine Metabolic Syndrome.

2019 has been very busy, and 2020 will be even more so.

Thanks for being a part of our progress.
--
Fran Metzger
Board of Directors
ECIR Group Inc.
--
Join us at the 2020 NO Laminitis! Conference, October 22 - 25, Harrisburg, PA

--
Helen Connor and Blessing (IR/PPID)
Scappoose, OR
Member since May 2017
Case History:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Helen%20and%20Blessing
Photo Album:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=6847


Re: help with case history please

Lorna Cane
 

Hi Nancy,

This is the link( I hope) for your Case History.
You just need to go to Subscription,and add it to your signature box,after the info there already,hit Save, and it will automatically show up with your signature now.

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/1%20Case%20History%20Form%20and%20Instructions/Nancy%20and%20Cheyenne
--

Lorna Cane
Ontario, Canada
2002


 


Re: Supplements with maltodextrin and molasses - trying to deal with ulcers and IR

Mari <mjsav2000@...>
 

Thank you, great information.  I called Smartpack and the SmartGut Ultra has 15.7 g sugars/ 80 g serving....  That sounds like a lot.... unless the customer rep got it wrong 
--
Mari, CA, joined 2019


ECIR Group - We can’t do it without you.

Nancy C
 
Edited

An important message from our hardworking Marketing Director Fran:

Dear ECIR Group Members ~

Good news!
Last year, we launched a campaign to recruit 100 donors who would be willing to sign up for small monthly donations through our fund-raising site, Mightycause. And thanks to our wonderful supporters, we successfully met this goal last year! This enabled us to secure $6,000 from a friend of the ECIR Group to help fund our online Case History project. I am happy to share that this project is nearing its launch date!

We need your help.
Since January of this year, our recurring donations have dropped by 30%, largely due to credit card expirations. Without a consistent amount of monthly donations, it’s difficult for us to plan projects. If you are one of the people who has not updated your credit card information through Mightycause, would you do us the favor of updating that information now? Here’s how:

1. Click this link https://www.mightycause.com/organization/Equine-Cushings-And-Insulin-Resistance-Group
2. Click on the icon that looks like a person in the upper right corner of your screen and sign into your account.
3. Scroll down to RECURRING DONATIONS, then click on the pencil icon and you can modify your payment options there.

 If you’re not currently donating to The ECIR Group Inc. and would like to give us a hand, here’s how:

1.  Go to https://www.mightycause.com/organization/Equine-Cushings-And-Insulin-Resistance-Group (you’ll need to join the site if you haven’t already done so).
2. Click on the icon that looks like a person (upper right corner of your screen) to either join the site or login.
3.  Find EQUINE CUSHING’S AND INSULIN RESISTANCE GROUP INC., then enter the amount you’d like to donate. Click on MAKE MY DONATION MONTHLY, and you’re done.

Since we are a nonprofit organization, all donations are tax-exempt for US members. A group of people donating as little as $5/month can truly help us with our mission to improve the welfare of equines with metabolic disorders across the globe.

And now, more good news.
Our volunteers have been very busy this year. In addition to the online Case History project, our small-but-mighty volunteer force has been working on a series of films depicting our protocols for Diet, Trim and Exercise (the latest film DIET AND DRUGS was just recently released); and we have been working on the plans for our 2020 Conference (Harrisburg, PA the weekend of October 23-25). These massive projects will help us take a huge step forward in our ability to quickly and effectively help horses, donkeys, and mules around the world with Cushing’s Disease and/or Equine Metabolic Syndrome.

2019 has been very busy, and 2020 will be even more so.

Thanks for being a part of our progress.
--
Fran Metzger
Board of Directors
ECIR Group Inc.
--
Join us at the 2020 NO Laminitis! Conference, October 22 - 25, Harrisburg, PA


Re: Laminitis. New general article today

Tanna
 

Thank you Sherry

It would appear that most, if not all of the horses in the study also had confirmed IR (per the ECIR calculator) 

"normoinsulinaemic (<20 μU/ml)"

--
Tanna 

April 2019, (Yahoo Group member 2008)
Langley, BC, Canada

Tula's Case History 


Re: help with case history please

 

Hi Nancy,
Have you looked for it in the Case History subgroup files?  I’m sorry but I don’t know your horse’s name.  Your file should have gone into a folder there labeled “Nancy and (your horse’s name)”.  If you let me know how you labeled it, I can help you search.
--
Martha in Vermont
ECIR Group Primary Response
July 2012 
 
Logo (dec. 7/20/19), Tobit(EC) and Pumpkin, Handy and Silver (EC/IR)
Logo's Case History: 
 


help with case history please

Nancy
 

I've filled out the case history and done my best to follow the directions for uploading it but I cannot tell if I was successful.  Can someone help me please/  Thank you!
--
Nancy Blessing
Cental Florida, USA
Dec. 2018


Re: Laminitis. New general article today

Sherry Morse
 

So this is a good time to point out that in the original study there were only 38 animals and the statistic reported was:

While owners reported laminitis in 37% of animals, 76% were laminitic based on study criteria

Which means that the quote in the article LJ posted is a bit misleading, even when given completely.  If anybody wants to read the summary of the original study it's here: https://beva.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/evj.12963



Re: Laminitis. New general article today

Tanna
 

Please mind my laziness in not reading the article myself but thank you for clarifying Sherry! 

Interesting stat! Not unreasonable to imagine that there would be such evidence of events having occurred prior to a diagnosis of PPID. 


--
Tanna 

April 2019, (Yahoo Group member 2008)
Langley, BC, Canada

Tula's Case History 


Re: Laminitis. New general article today

Sherry Morse
 

The full quote is: 

Van Eps said that in one study researchers found radiographic evidence of laminitis in 76% of horses presented for pituitary pars intermedia dysfunction (PPID, aka equine Cushing’s disease), but half of them had not shown signs of foot pain, and laminitis wasn’t recognized by the owners.

That's quite a bit different from "76% of laminitic horses test positive for ppid." and one of the reasons that context is really important when quoting something.


Re: Leptin vs other IR indicators

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Yes,ACTH and insulin changes are seasonal related. We don't know how sensitive leptin changes are. The difference between them is relatively small and both would be considered slightly above the upper limit of the range.
--
Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com  2 for 1 course sale
EC Owner 2001


Re: Too much salt?

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Boredom is the likely reason here. Take away the salt block, at least for winter. Consider ways to slow down their hay consumption rate.
--
Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com  2 for 1 course sale
EC Owner 2001


Re: Switching from Prascend to CP

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

I just want to clarify here that the reason compounded pergolide is often lower is because the compounding instructions call for them to use 1 mg of pergolide mesylate rather than 1 mg of actual pergolide. However, you can request the higher amount with a correctly written prescription.
--
Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com  2 for 1 course sale
EC Owner 2001


Re: Supplements with maltodextrin and molasses - trying to deal with ulcers and IR

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

There's not enough maltodextrin in a serving of most supplements to cause a problem.  

Strongid won't reliably remove anything except tapeworms because of widespread resistance.

The benefits of alfalfa may actually be related to high pectin content. You often read that calcium and protein in alfalfa are "buffers" but they're not. Buffers have to be capable of neutralizing H+ ions, so have to have a negative (anionic) charge. Calcium is also positively charged so can't buffer. Some protein peptides can buffer but their breakdown products then stimulate acid secretion.

Pectin is anionic and a buffer. Drop down to page 36 in this old article: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&ved=2ahUKEwiPpPvIv-flAhVRaq0KHVk7DREQFjACegQIABAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fudspace.udel.edu%2Fbitstream%2Fhandle%2F19716%2F4448%2Farticle2.pdf%3Fsequence%3D1%26isAllowed%3Dy&usg=AOvVaw2iXcuAcsw2y2S8-eU1cLwN .

Pectin, often in combination with lecithin which coats ulcerated areas, has been known for quite some time to have a positive effect on gastric ulcers. Once your Ulcergard course is finished you may want to look into adding pectin alone or with lecithin to your supplements. A typical dose is 2.5 g/100 kg of body weight once or twice daily - same dose for each.
--
Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com  2 for 1 course sale
EC Owner 2001


Re: Looking for help

Ward Stable
 

That is wonderful news, I will reach out and see what we can figure.

Thank you!

On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 11:29 AM Candice via Groups.Io <Candicepiraino=mac.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Marlene!

I have some great news for you in regards to a trustworthy trimmer. She is fabulous and also has a rehab facility ( she is currently full and there is a waiting list for her rehab facility though). 

You are about an hour from her, but if you would reach out to her and make contact maybe you two could work something out. Her name is Kirrily Niswander. Her farm is Redemption Farm Hoof Rehab & Natural Boarding. Her contact information is (502) 297-1973 or www.redemptionfarm.com

I know she is really busy and this is no guarantee she will take you on as a client, but I believe she can help you, or find you someone who can. Vets in the area are not exactly on board with IR/PPID in that area from what I understand, but YOU and a great trimmer CAN make a difference for your horse.

I hope this helps you and please let us know if we can assist you further. Look forward to reading your case history.
--

~ Candice 

Primary Response Team

September 2018, Summerfield, FL

Shark's Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Candice%20and%20Shark

Shark's Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=71507 

 


--
Marlene J KY 2019


Re: Looking for help

Candice
 

Hi Marlene!

I have some great news for you in regards to a trustworthy trimmer. She is fabulous and also has a rehab facility ( she is currently full and there is a waiting list for her rehab facility though). 

You are about an hour from her, but if you would reach out to her and make contact maybe you two could work something out. Her name is Kirrily Niswander. Her farm is Redemption Farm Hoof Rehab & Natural Boarding. Her contact information is (502) 297-1973 or www.redemptionfarm.com

I know she is really busy and this is no guarantee she will take you on as a client, but I believe she can help you, or find you someone who can. Vets in the area are not exactly on board with IR/PPID in that area from what I understand, but YOU and a great trimmer CAN make a difference for your horse.

I hope this helps you and please let us know if we can assist you further. Look forward to reading your case history.
--

~ Candice 

Primary Response Team

September 2018, Summerfield, FL

Shark's Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Candice%20and%20Shark

Shark's Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=71507 

 


Leptin vs other IR indicators

jmc
 

I'm a little confused about something... When Yankee was last tested on 3 September, his ACTH and Insulin values were raised from the previous test (Feb 2019) but his Leptin was actually slightly down from that test His leptin was 42.49 when first tested, June 2018). Along with the raised values he has gained a little weight back (50-100 lbs) and his crest reappeared (see new photos).  I expected leptin to be raised, and am wondering why it isn't? Although I have updated his CH, adding values here for simplicity:

2/14/2019
Insulin: 11.62
Glucose: 94
ACTH: 39.3
Leptin: 12.98

9/3/2019
Insulin: 28.81
Glucose: 100
ACTH: 81.8 (had been on 1mg Prascend approx 5.5 weeks)
Leptin: 11.93


The raised IR values are due to the seasonal rise, right? Nothing has changed with his diet or exercise, except this year's hay has a slightly higher DE value. Next test will be probably be April/May timeframe, per vet.


--
Jodi
June 2018
NW Wyoming

Yankee Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jodi%20and%20Yankee

Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=54386


Re: Switching from Prascend to CP

martha williams
 

Pet Health Pharmacy. —————- 1 mg. Pergolide mesylate equals 0.77 mg. Prascend. Speak to their pharmacist to clarify conversion.
I had their Pergolide mesylate tested at a highly respected lab. It was perfect.
We’ve dealt with them for years
Really nice folks.
Williams/Dubrow. ‘08. N.Y.


Too much salt?

Michele Einarson
 

My 1000 lb IR gelding and 600 lb mule are on a dry lot, fed per ECIR guidelines (low sugar/starch hay balanced by a pro).  They are fed hay 4 times a day (18 lbs for the gelding who needs to be 950 lbs and 10 lbs for the mule).  The gelding gets 4T loose iodized salt per day with his supplements in 2 feedings.  The mule gets 2T once a day with his supplements. Both are on maintenance with daily exercise.  My concern is this:  They spend most of their day either nibbling in manure or licking a salt block.

I’m wondering why so much salt?  Iodine deficiency?  Boredom?  Or maybe the resulting saliva helps to soothe an empty stomach?

Is there a danger of too much salt?  They have plenty of clean water and they pee a LOT.-- 


Michele & Mosey, 2019
Reno, NV, USA
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Michele%20and%20Mosey
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=88791


Re: APF not working

Patricia Evans
 

The first time I ordered APF, I had never used it before, so I really didn't know what to order and ended up with the Pro. The next time I ordered the original and my mare really seemed to dislike it, but it still helped her with the "veil". The next time, I went back to the Pro and she took it from the syringe without issue. Just my own observation, because both seemed to work equally well, but less problem getting it into the girl when I used Pro.
--
Patricia 
North central Florida
July 7 2018

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Patricia%20and%20Dancer%20and%20Nathan
Dancer:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=66069

Nathan:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=94152