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Re: NEED OPINIONS - is Barefoot okay?

Redponymn@...
 

Hi Bobbi, thank you for the information. I have a couple questions for you. You said ...
"I put socks on her (cold weather boots) and duck tape them to keep snow out". What do you mean by cold weather boots? I've never heard of that. Can you tell me how to order a cold-weather boot?

Also, you said ... "I use the laminitic pads with frogs cut out". Why would you cut the Frog section out? I thought that was really important for circulation to the hoof.

Final question ... are Scoot Boots pretty stable on packed snow (as far as slipping around)? Of course nothing can keep you from slipping on ice but I'm just trying to get a feel for how well they work in winter conditions.

Thank you!!

Patti Flynn in MN - member since Oct 2019


Re: Cluster of Severe EMS Cases - long shot Johnson Grass

Amy Veatch
 

Cass, I can feel your pain, figuring out the array of invasive plants is a full-time job around here. I've been battling Johnsongrass at my farm for nearly 20 years now--this stuff haunts my nightmares!  The stems are different from regular grass too, so that Might help in your determination. In Johnsongrass  (and sorghum, which is grown down the street from me) the stems are segmented with bulbous nodes every so often up the stem. Hope this helps and good luck with your search.
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Amy & Princess (12 year old KY Mtn Saddle mare) & Max (6 year old mini gelding) - both PPID/IR
Southeast TN, Joined 2019

Max:

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Amy%20and%20Max
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Princess:

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Amy%20and%20Pincess

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=96097

 



Re: Bentonite Clay

 

Great question! I just looked at a product that is supposed to be just bentonite clay and it was really, really high in iron,. Looking for more information. Many thanks!
Nancy Reed and Jazzi
Match 2013
San Diego County



Re: Sudden coat change - normal?

Maria Duran
 

Hi Jodi,

Personally I wouldn't be doing Prascend dose changes based on the coat alone. ACTH control is not related to length of the coat meaning that a controlled horse can still show a long coat and difficulties shedding for example because those are related to other hormones that loss of dopaminergic neurons are affected by.

It is true that your september ACTH was over desired levels and the increase was adviced but that was starting the seasonal spike and now we are going down and almost finished for many horses. The crest might be due to uncontrolled PPID or just because insulin going higher due to cold weather or maybe diet.

Not saying that the coat change is not related to PPID, only that I would make sure that he needs that increase by a bloodwork at the end of this month or mid january. I don't know how much is an ACTH test there but here you will amortize it in 40 days of just .5 mg increase if you don't need it so worth it in my opinion.

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María Durán Navarro 
Dec 2017
Madrid (Spain)

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Re: Sudden coat change - normal?

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

At the time of the Sept test, his ACTH would still have been rising so the 81pg/ml wasn't the highest the ACTH went this year. That could certainly factor into his increased crest. It sounds like your instincts were good to raise the perg dose to the 1.5mg to help counteract the effects of the rising ACTH levels during that time period. Retesting now would be the way to check whether dropping back to the 1mg dose is effective or not.

"Stablilizing" during the rise isn't a realistic goal as it's a moving target, so your dosing would also need to change to account for the shifts. Outside of that period, it only takes 2-3 weeks for the full effect of the pergolide dose to be seen.

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Lavinia, George Too, Calvin (PPID) and Dinky (PPID/IR)
Nappi, George and Dante Over the Bridge
Jan 05, RI
Moderator ECIR


Re: EXTREME MARISH BEHAVIOR

 

Follow up on Jazzi after being spayed.

We are now 3 years out from surgery and all of the complications. Her basic personality is unchanged - she is a boss mare and has an opinion on things, sometimes most things. She can be a freight train, total handful.  But Jazzi takes care of me and does not try to get me off. Her ground manners are impeccable. This is unchanged from before surgery. Prior to surgery she has 2 or 3 horrible blow ups on trail that frightened me as she was trying to get me off as I did not agree with what she wanted. We have had no more of this. 

I do believe her IR is much less brittle as she has had lameness issues requiring time off (no exercise) and have had no laminitis, new fat pads or other signs of uncontrolled IR. I believe the high testosterone levels were pushing not only the bad  behavior, but also the IR. She is on teff hay w/ Arizona Copper Complete, extra mag and lysine, joint supps (chondroitin and HA) and pervicox. 
Hope this helps,
Nancy Reed
Jazzi, March 2013
San Diego County


Re: Storing hay in a shipping container

Patti Shores
 

I am in Western WA and have been using a shipping container for about 20years with zero problems.  Mine is still has the wheels/tires so it is off the ground, not sure if that is what helps keeps it dry inside as air passes under also.
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Patti and Penny 
Washington, USA
May 2017 (this time)
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Re: Dr. Kellon re Sunny

Joy V
 

Thank you!  This is great.  I will be testing.  :)

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Joy and Willie  
(aka FLS Boxcar Willie)

Nevada County, CA - 2019


Re: Hay Test

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

On Sun, Dec 22, 2019 at 12:35 PM, Cass in NorCal wrote:
If this hay were otherwise acceptable, I'd suggest retesting iron only after carefully shaking out the hay to remove dirt. Sometimes a quick water rinse is needed. 
If you rinse the sample for testing, then you need to plan to rinse the hay you feed as well otherwise you are still feeding the "contaminated" hay. Did this last year - will never do it again as it is a huge amount of work. I'd rather spend the year soaking than having to "just" rinse...
 
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Lavinia, George Too, Calvin (PPID) and Dinky (PPID/IR)
Nappi, George and Dante Over the Bridge
Jan 05, RI
Moderator ECIR


Re: Sudden coat change - normal?

Tanna
 

Hi Jody

You have started another thread recently expressing your concern about a change in Yankee's crest. 

I would be concerned with a test result of 81 in September in combination with some of the signs you are seeing currently.

I don't think we can be sure that early or full blown ppid horses follow the seasonal rise pattern of normal horses. It is possible he is experiencing an extended rise and would do better back on the 1.5. 


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Tanna 

April 2019, (Yahoo Group member 2008)
Langley, BC, Canada

Tula's Case History 


Re: Bentonite Clay

Maria Duran
 

That´s what I got too, thanks a lot Carla. Was my understanding that bentonite contains smectite but don´t know exactly the difference when at use. Would like to know what product might be an option here that works the same as Bio Sponge because I can´t get this one in Spain.

Are you going to try only for a short period of time? Let us know how it goes please.

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María Durán Navarro 
Dec 2017
Madrid (Spain)

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Re: Hay Test

 

I am assuming high iron is due to soil composition?
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Highly acid soil with high iron content is one possibility since you're in the PNW - high rainfall and young, high mineral content soils. But that's really really high iron.

Another possibility is soil contamination in your sample. I've found dirt clods and cow pies in bales of hay. The test results are skewed if your hay corer hits a clump.

If this hay were otherwise acceptable, I'd suggest retesting iron only after carefully shaking out the hay to remove dirt. Sometimes a quick water rinse is needed. 
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Cass, Sonoma Co., CA 2012
ECIR Group Moderator
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Re: Bentonite Clay

Carla Caudill-Waechter
 

Hi Maria,
I just happened to Google that this morning! I ordered some Bio-Sponge for a 31 yr. old gelding (nonIR, nonPPID) with loose manure,  and the only ingredient listed on the container is di-tri-smectite. What I learned, in a nutshell, is that smectite is a type of clay  with viral and bacterial absorbing properties, also used to treat acute diarrhea in children. Bentonite clay might contain an amount of smectite, but apparently the amount is variable. I’m sure there will be others who will chime in with more information and, hopefully, who will share their Bio-Sponge experiences. 

Carla

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Carla Caudill-Waechter
Skeeter and Ricky
September, 2017
Delaware County, Indiana
Case Histories


Re: Chasteberry

 

Niki,
A search of messages using "CTB mini" turned up a few messages, including this thread: https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/topic/23166132#223474 

To add to your list of CTB formulas, Su-Per supplements makes a liquid cherry-flavored liquid called Su-Per Chasteberry, https://www.su-perstore.com/m7/sfechaste--su-per-chasteberry-liquid.html    I bought it from Heartland Vet. The cherry-flavored liquid was well-received by my PPID Cayuse and by Diamond for mare estrus transition issues  but expensive to ship. I switched to the Uckele standardized concentrate for Cayuse. I feed it with daily supplements.

CTB doesn't help my PPID mare shed in the spring, so I am forced to body clip. It does, for some reason, delay regrowth of her Cushings coat in the fall. I had very good luck last fall, which was unseasonably hot and extended, feeding CTB through October 15 to delay the Yak coat until the weather cooled. 

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Cass, Sonoma Co., CA 2012
ECIR Group Moderator
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Re: Hay Test

Gisele Sassen
 

Thank you! I am passing on the hay. Really glad I posted the test. I had been focusing on sugars more than anything, but the mineral profile is equally important. I am assuming high iron is due to soil composition? On to the next hay test😊 I will change the signature. Thanks for pointing that out.
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Gisele & Fiona, Washington State; 06December 2010
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Fiona%20Case%20History.pdf


Re: Hay Test

Gisele Sassen
 

Yes, I agree. Especially the iron is unacceptable.
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Gisele & Fiona, Washington State; 06December 2010
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Fiona%20Case%20History.pdf


Re: Dr. Kellon re Sunny

 

Joy, there's a certified water testing lab in Grass Valley, Cranmer Engineering (530) 273-7284. I found the name on this map of California certified water labs

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Cass, Sonoma Co., CA 2012
ECIR Group Moderator
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Cold weather and insulin

Maria Duran
 

I guess only Dr. Kellon knows this but if anyone does, please comment on it.

How much increase in insulin (percentage or units) should we expect to see over a normal range in cold weather for:

- IR horses

- Healthy horses. In this case, could cold temps lead to insulin levels over 10 uU for a non fasted horse eating hay?


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María Durán Navarro 
Dec 2017
Madrid (Spain)

Plutón´s Case History
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Re: Bentonite Clay

Maria Duran
 

Could anyone explain the difference between bentonite clay and bio sponge please?

Thank you.
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María Durán Navarro 
Dec 2017
Madrid (Spain)

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Re: Dr. Kellon re Sunny

Joy V
 

Thank you Sue!

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Joy and Willie  
(aka FLS Boxcar Willie)

Nevada County, CA - 2019

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