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Re: New hay sample, bumping up for people's thoughts please? :)

jonno17@...
 

Sorry, I'm not sure what happened to my original post, all of the information was meant to be in my updated post but Sherry is correct about which hay I would like some input on, thank you Sherry :) I will create specific folders for them, thank you :) 
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Clarissa
November 2018-Red, Poppet
Tasmania, Australia 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Clarissa%20and%20Red_Poppet
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=79540

Re: Louis the mini - Starting on Pergolide

Glenys
 

Thank you so much Lavinia.  I've also replied to your private message.

Can you or someone tell me how I can save these files to my desktop so i can send them in an email to my trimmer please?  She is very interested in seeing your recommendations / markups.  I can't seem to download the actual rads you have marked up and when I send the link of course she can't see it.

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Glenys and Louis 
January 2020, Paekakariki, Wellington, New Zealand

Louis CH -https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Glenys%20and%20Louis
Louis Photos -https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=239216

GG Muzzle question

Griffin Keller
 

So Prophecy's muzzle (Greenguard) will need to go back on soon.  The issue I have right now is he is boarding in a situation where it will be difficult to get him his "feeding" (pellets carrier + mineral supplements wet) as I normally remove the muzzle and then have to wait around to put it on and she does not always have the ability to hang out while they eat. Despite the small amount he gets, he is a slow eater!
  Do you think he could successfully eat his meal with muzzle on out of a large feed pan?

I have about a month before I get them moved home and not have this issue...would it be better to just skip his meals until he is home?

(posted in Horse-keeping but realized it might be better here)
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- Griffin

Jan 2018, Charlottesville, VA

Prophecy Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Griffin%20and%20Prophecy

Prophecy Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=17115

Re: Prascend administration - strategies- archives?

Bobbie Day
 

Sorry pat
A lot of phone issues today!
I leave the peanuts in the ones I give, I just crack it open and push the pill in, if the peanut falls out that’s ok too.
I got the idea from someone here, I just assumed they were left in but maybe I’m wrong?
I seem to remember they’re a safe carrier?


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Bobbie and Desi
Utah, Nov 2018

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Bobbie%20and%20Desi

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=78821

Re: Chronic laminitis Shetland pony

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Anna,

As you sound like you're in a bit of a bind I've put your message through but without a case history set up it's going to be hard to give you any definitive answers.  

So to start - is your pony IR or PPID?  If she has either condition Bute will not help with the laminitis (see the section below on Exercise for more information on that).  I know you say she tested negative for PPID, but when was this test done and what was her actual ACTH number? 

What is her current height and weight?  What is her ideal weight?  We do not recommend feeding free choice hay or straw to any suspected PPID or IR horse but again, without a case history giving her current and ideal weight it's hard to comment on the diet.  We also do not look at WSC but ESC + starch which ideally should be under 10%.  (More details on this in the "Diet" section below).  

Sharing pictures of the current and older x-rays as well as current hoof pictures and body shots will also be helpful to us.  If you could upload the hay analysis that would also be helpful.

What follows is our standard welcome letter.  There's a lot of information included so grab a cup of your favorite beverage and get comfortable.  Let us know if you have any questions but again, having a case history will go a long way to helping us help you and your pony.  





Re: Louis the mini - Starting on Pergolide

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Hi Glenys,

I've added a couple of mark-ups to Louis' album:

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=239216&p=Created,,,20,2,0,0

RF needs to have the heels lowered some but not drastically. Both need to have the toes backed up but need to be careful NOT to remove any sole depth as both are borderline. Although there appears to be excess vertical hoof capsule height, this is misleading as there is a significant amount of sinking that makes it necessary to maintain more overall height so that the bony column inside remains covered.

RF Lateral: There is a slight amount of bony column rotation that needs to be addressed. Blue lines are the trim lines, all others are for reference only. Lower heels some and bring the toe back to get the breakover into a better location. Yellow lines denote the sinking as they should align with one another. Pink line ends where the sole depth should be at ground level. Red is the area NOT to remove any vertical height/sole depth from.

LF lateral: No bony column rotation so leave the heel height where it is, just need to bring the toe back to the correct location. Blue lies are the trim lines, others are for visual reference only.

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Lavinia, George Too, Calvin (PPID) and Dinky (PPID/IR)
Nappi, George and Dante Over the Bridge
Jan 05, RI
Moderator ECIR

Re: New hay sample, bumping up for people's thoughts please? :)

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Bonnie,




Chronic laminitis Shetland pony

Anna
 

Honest opinions please.

Shetland pony, diagnosed with laminitis in September. Had mild lami twice in the past. We took x-rays in September, slight rotation, on box rest and bute, 2 months later was bute free and was doing better for a month. Then something happened, not sure what, cold snap perhaps, and she started relapsing. Seems to be in a lot of pain despite being on bute again, no changes in diet, offered turn out in a grass free paddock covered in wood chips and straw. When turned out she will stand for a few minutes and lay down for the majority of the time.
Tested negative for PPID. We did a trial 2 months on pergolit despite low values but it didn’t give any effect. 
Back on track stable wraps when stabled.
 
Diet: 3kg hay (8% WSC), ad lib straw, 300 gram of Total Primero (starch 3.8%, sugar 4.8%), magnesium oxide, zinc, Boswellia, devils claw (she will not eat copper!), salt lick, fresh water.
 
My vet took new x-rays today and wants to PTS. He says she is still in active stage as she has increased pulse.
 
My farrier says this can be fixed, not to PTS. He comes on Wednesday.

I am thinking to have my hay retested (I rely on analysis provided by the supplier). Not sure what else can I do.
 
TIA


 

Re: Analysis of Standlee Horse Pill Carriers

 

At least now you know why pill giving was a dream. Each pill carrier weighs roughly 12 grams, less than half an ounce. So each 12 gram pill carrier contains 2 grams of ESC and 2.76 g of starch. 
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Cass, Sonoma Co., CA 2012
ECIR Group Moderator
Cayuse Case History Folder                Cayuse Photos
Diamond Case History Folder              Diamond Photos 

locked Re: Yayo very sore after the trim

gypsylassie
 

Maria, we all come to this group with varying horse skills, and many of us come to this group with little to no knowledge about insulin resistance or ppid.   It is a big learning curve and we all learn as we go, with the help of this group and our wonderful moderators, first responders and fellow members.  We all have different difficulties along the way to overcome, problems with vets, farriers, sourcing hay and feed, those kinds of things.   You keep working through a lot of obstacles and never give up and you have already learned so much.  You are doing very good work.  
And to everyone here, we keep working to keep our horses healthy and sound, bringing them back from laminitis and all manner of things, sometimes working with less than optimal circumstances and we can have sound, happy horses because of it.  
 This is such a great group and I am very thankful for it.  
Laura K Chappie & Beau over the bridge
2011 N IL   
  

Re: Analysis of Standlee Horse Pill Carriers

Shevawn Romine
 

Nooooo!!    I just ordered my bag # 4-7 of these,   as they have made pill giving a dream!!    


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Cassie and Shevawn
03/2015   Gordon, TX
CH folder:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Shevawn%20and%20Cassie 
Photos:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=76832 

locked Re: Yayo very sore after the trim

Jane Fletcher
 

I second this! I read your posts Maria and I think why wouldn’t they feel blessed to have you in their corner!!


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Jane, South East Western Australia
Nov 2016
Garnet and Bill

Re: New hay sample, bumping up for people's thoughts please? :)

 

Clarissa,
Which hay sample are you wanting opinions on? I see three documents from Feb 7. Do you want opinions about all of them?
It would really be helpful if you created a subfolder within your Case History folder for "Hay Tests". Creating folders for specific types of documents is a helpful type of organization. If you do this you ca then add the link to "Hay Tests" to you signature. Having better organization of your documents makes it easier for other members to locate the files you would like reviewed.

Which hay do you actually feed? Have you bought all of these or do you just want opinions of one of them?

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Bonnie Snodgrass 07-2016

ECIR Group Primary Response 

White Cloud, Michigan, USA

Mouse Case History, Photo Album

Analysis of Standlee Horse Pill Carriers

 

For those of us with sensitive or fragile horses, I suggest reviewing this analysis before using Standlee Horse Pill Carriers. ESC is 16.6%, Starch 23%. No big surprise considering the ingredients, including wheat flour, cranberries, molasses and apple juice concentrate. I will weigh an individual pill carrier for a more complete picture.
https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/files/9c%20Analyses%20of%20Various%20Feeds/Standlee%20Products/Standlee%20Horse%20Pill%20Carrier%202020-02-14.pdf 
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Cass, Sonoma Co., CA 2012
ECIR Group Moderator
Cayuse Case History Folder                Cayuse Photos
Diamond Case History Folder              Diamond Photos 

locked Re: Yayo very sore after the trim

Maria Duran
 

Laura, 

You trusting me to have taken care of Chappie is one of the most beautiful things I could hear. It is a honor that someone entrusts you with her most loved animal and a big responsability, so thank you very much for your words.

I don't believe I derserve your admiration at all, I feel very clumsy so many times and the help I can give to horses is thanks to this group, I would be lost without Dr. Kellon's courses, including you with your wonderful knowledge and advice and always ready to help and say this kind of empowering things.

Thank you very much. You made me feel better.

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María Durán Navarro 
Dec 2017
Madrid (Spain)

Plutón´s Case History
Plutón´s Photo Album
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Re: Prascend administration - strategies- archives?

Susie Cranney
 

There is a recipe in the files for safe cookies you can make yourself.  I use this recipe and prior to baking make a small hole in the cookie.  I then use these as an equine pill pocket to slip the prascend pill into.  So far, all the horses just love them especially if I add some crushed up sugar free peppermints to the cookie recipe.  Good luck.

Re: I.r. horse questioning joint injections

 

Hey Jonni!  Hoping Dr. Kellon will chime in with some 'other options' for your girls shoulder pain :)

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Ellen
Pal & Savvy
N. Alabama
Aug 2013
Case History 

locked Re: Yayo very sore after the trim

gypsylassie
 

Maria, I know it's been said before, but I'll say it again.  The horses in your care are very fortunate to have you as their caretaker.   You are such a wonderful horsewoman and are doing everything in your power to help them, under some difficult conditions.  I know I would feel very lucky indeed if I had you caring for Chappie.  I have always had my horses at home, but if I ever did have to board them I would feel very relieved to have someone like you caring for them.  
Laura K Chappie & Beau over the bridge
2011 N IL

locked Re: Yayo very sore after the trim

Tanna
 

Thank you for the clarification all. My apologies.

It's been too long since I signed up and refreshed myself on the rules.


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Tanna 

April 2019, (Yahoo Group member 2008)
Langley, BC, Canada

Tula's Case History 

Re: New Photos Dr.K / Lavinia

Bobbie Day
 

Thanks Nancy
I was a member of Pete’s page and follow the new one but I don’t want too many opinions, I’d rather get them here where her history is known. I did in the beginning literally BEG for a trimmer to help us but anyone that was remotely close didn’t want to take us on, although I received a lot of support I struck out finding someone. We’re several hours away from anyone with the knowledge we need.
Thank you though


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Bobbie and Desi
Utah, Nov 2018

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Bobbie%20and%20Desi

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=78821