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Re: Stabul 1 (1 TABLESPOON?)

Suzanne and Pilgrim
 


Re: Abscess help

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Jeanne,

Can you please add the link to your CH to your signature so we don't have to constantly ask you for it?  To do that:

1) Go to this link: https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/editsub

2) Look at the bottom of the page for the window where you've already typed in your name location and year of joining

3) Paste the link for your CH below the signature that's already there.

4) IMPORTANT! Scroll to the bottom and hit SAVE!




Re: Abscess help

Jeanne Q
 


--Thanks Lavinia!  I wasnt sure of the protocol of where to post.
Here is link to my CH also
 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jeanne%20&%20Glory
Jeanne Q MN 2020


Re: Grinding flax

 

I can smell it when it goes rancid. I had some ground flax I purchased for the humans and the box was in the fridge..got shoved to the back and who knows how long it was in there...I gave it a whiff....and tossed it! 

But I think my OCD will save me ..I hope...I grind about 2-3 days worth of flax and keep it in the fridge but I wash my grinder with soap and water as soon as I am done and let it dry out. 

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Nancy and Akira
3/20/2018  Burkesville KY

Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Akira


Re: FYI for those feeding Triple Crown Lite; feed recipe variability

coffincomplex@...
 

I found the old email string, if anyone is interested:TC rep: All the feed mills that manufacture Triple Crown feeds do not have Rumensin in the facility as an ingredient, so the potential for contamination is eliminated. All the feed mills that make Triple Crown are independently HAACP certified for food safety and will meet the new FDA “Feed Safety and Modernization Act” guidelines.The new FDA guidelines are designed to put all feed mills under regulations to make feeds safe for both animals and humans.Many smaller, local feed mills do not have HAACP certifications and will be forced to comply with the new FDA guidelines or face closure over the next few years.

Me: I have been doing more reading on this subject and have found out that some of the mills that produce Triple Crown products do, in fact, handle monensin. I was speaking to a gal in CO who feeds Triple Crown, who found out that the Nutrena mill which produces the Triple Crown feed that she uses is made in a mill that handles monensin-medicated feed.

 

I feel that it is important that your customers be given accurate information so that they can make informed decisions, which does not appear to be the case here, as you stated that "We require all of the mills that manufacture Triple Crown to be rumensin free".

TC rep: I apologize for the confusion about my statement regarding "We require all of the mills that manufacture Triple Crown to be rumensin free".  I was referring to any location on the east coast and I failed to ask you about your exact location.  You are correct that some of the Cargill mills do use monesin at the facilities. I have done some further checking about Sterling and can verify that Sterling mill handles monensin, but the facility will be monesin free by March 1st. All the feed mills that make Triple Crown  are independently HAACP certified for food safety and follow very strict safety procedures. Triple Crown Nutrition has strived to be the best and most innovative feed company for the past 25 years.  Triple Crown has never had a product recall and has a history of being voted “Best Feed” by equine publications. 

 

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Alanna
May 2018
South Bend, IN
Buster's case history: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Alanna%20and%20Buster  .


Re: FYI for those feeding Triple Crown Lite; feed recipe variability

coffincomplex@...
 

I've had enough issues with Triple Crown that I just can't trust them enough to use their feed for a sensitive horse. I began having trust issues with them a few years ago during a monensin toxicity scare, when I contacted them to find out if TC feeds were made at mills that also processed medicated livestock feed. Their response was that there was no chance for contamination, because their mills were ionophore free. I then found out that the mill making the feed I was using was a Cargill mill, which does make ionophore containing feeds. When I confronted the TC rep their response was "Oh, I figured the feed you were buying was made by *some particular feed mill I don't recall*, which is ionophore free. Yes, the mill you are referring to does handle monensin feed." So they just point-blank lied. I've fed TC Lite since then because my options were limited, but then when I found out the ingredients on the bag weren't correct and their sugar and starch numbers were way off, I was done.
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Alanna
May 2018
South Bend, IN
Buster's case history: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Alanna%20and%20Buster  .


Abscess help

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 
Edited

Moved from Hoof for Jeanne and Glory:

foxlodge@...

Glory(PPID/IR) is severely rotated in the RF.  At her latest trimming a seepage was noticed just to the inside side of the frog apex.  She is barely using that leg at all.  Still up and getting around a 24' x 30' deeply bedded or sand area.  She is lying down much more.  I have her booted in EB Clouds and have shipping boots on her front legs.  Its been horrifically cold here for the past 1 1/2 weeks. (5degrees to-30f)  I began with a sugar/iodine poultice until I could get something better.  I tried the Numotizine last night.  Is it supposed to dry?  It was squished all over in her boot this morning not doing much for the abscess.  I re-poulticed with an Animalintex pad.  I want to soak with Cleantrax but Im waiting for a warmer day.  Maybe tomorrow.  I have begun to wean her off long term bute usage a few days ago.  Started her on LaminOx yesterday but she isnt eating it.  Waiting on my hay test results but have started supplementing chia, vit E and Cal. Trace.  She is eating as much hay as she will eat through a 1" slow feed net.  She is underweight.  Started out soaking her hay in November but a much more daunting task at these temps so I stopped.  What can I be doing for her to get these abscess' to pop out?  What else should I be doing?  She is so miserable and I am heartsick.  Im so afraid of bone penetrating the sole.  It is very close and xrays showed dark areas at the tip so am concerned about infection in the bone.  Should she be on oral antibiotics?  Please help me with some feedback.  Im feeling so helpless to help her!

Xrays 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=241360

   

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Lavinia, George Too, Calvin (PPID) and Dinky (PPID/IR)
Nappi, George and Dante Over the Bridge
Jan 05, RI
Moderator ECIR


Re: Grinding flax

Joy V
 

Thank you, Dr. Kellon, very much for this info.  I was just thinking about the issue last night while I was grinding flax.  I will clean my grinder today.

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Joy and Willie  
(aka FLS Boxcar Willie)

Nevada County, CA - 2019


Re: Grinding flax

 

Thanks for the cleaning info. 
--
Bonnie Snodgrass 07-2016

ECIR Group Primary Response 

White Cloud, Michigan, USA

Mouse Case History, Photo Album


Re: Stabul 1 (1 TABLESPOON?)

Nancy C
 

Suzanne

If you can send us to the page that would be helpful.

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Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
ECIR Group Inc. President/Treasurer  2019-2020
Join us at the 2020 NO Laminitis! Conference, October 22 - 25, Harrisburg, PA


Re: Stabul 1 (1 TABLESPOON?)

celestinefarm
 

Suzanne, no, Stabul 1 was developed with input from Dr. Kellon as a feed for those ECIR members who for whatever reason cannot test hay and/or need to use a bagged feed. Stabul 1  actually list their MAX amount of sugar and starch (5 % each) so that the total of the two is not more than 10%.  Randy Anderson . of Anderson Feeds which manufactures Stabul 1 and Stabul 1 Plus is a member here and is responsive to members requests and reformulates it if necessary.  Here is Stabul 1 webpage with it's guaranteed analysis included.
http://stabul1.com/stabul-1/

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Dawn Wagstaff and Tipperary   

Saline, MI  2003

Tipperary Case History

Juniper Case history: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Dawn%20and%20Juniper/Case%20history%20Juniper.pdf .


Stabul 1 (1 TABLESPOON?)

Suzanne and Pilgrim
 

I just saw on a Facebook page that Stabul 1 had an asterisk (with 1 tablespoon written next to it)
Does that mean it is safe as a top dressing (only 1 tablespoon daily). Pilgrim is not IR but since he is an easy keeper breed I am treating him as if he were. 
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Re: Estradiol

hdavis
 

Thanks Dr. Kellon.

I will monitor her and see if I see a change in any of the mentioned.  She is somewhat an alpha mare but I guess I was just a drastic change from where she was at the day before that made me think perhaps I should mention it.  Will keep you posted and fingers crossed we see some positive results!!!
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Heather
August 5, 2017, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada

Riosa Case History
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Heather%20and%20Riosa

 Photos

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=8819&p=pcreated,,,20,2,0,0  .


Storm

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Re: Grinding flax

 

Can we smell the rancidity? I can tell when stabilized flax smells like linseed oil. Triple Crown told me to toss it and sent me a coupon for a new bag.
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Cass, Sonoma Co., CA 2012
ECIR Group Moderator
Cayuse Case History Folder                Cayuse Photos
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Grinding flax

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

A reminder for those grinding flax; you need to regularly clean your grinder. The oils from the seeds go rancid very quickly and can end up giving your flax and off taste. Use about 1/4 cup of uncooked regular rice. Grind to a powder, dump and then wipe the inside with a damp paper towel. Do this weekly.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


feeding prascend for fussy horse....

Trisha DePietro
 

Hi all. Just wanted to give an update on the fuss -budget that wouldn't eat her prascend no matter what I did to it....I ended up getting desperate and annoyed and took it out of the vegetable capsule.....eats it just fine now, mixed in with her carrier and supplements. To test her, I threw in an empty veg capsule to see what would happen--- she didn't touch it or her food.... Who would have thought that would work-?well at least for now!!!!


Trisha DePietro
Aug 2018
NH
Dolly and Hope's Case Histories https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Trisha%20and%20Dolly%20-%20Hope
Dolly's Photos 
Hope's Photos 
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Re: FYI for those feeding Triple Crown Lite; feed recipe variability

Trisha DePietro
 

Hi Laurie. I understand your frustration and disappointment in the feed industry that we trusted. It is a huge letdown and disappointment for us and our horses.  And we feel so guilty that we didn't "know"...... Now that you have found this website, YOU are now empowered to make different choices in nutrition for your horses now and in the future!  Evidenced based information about equine nutrition and management of the IR/Cushings horse will be available here on this site when you can focus and your crisis is over, the moderators and everyone will be here to support you in your future decisions. Hang in there and I hope things begin to improve for your horse soon! 

Trisha DePietro
Aug 2018
NH
Dolly and Hope's Case Histories https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Trisha%20and%20Dolly%20-%20Hope
Dolly's Photos 
Hope's Photos 
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Re: Recommended magnesium oxide for the emergency diet? Delete other supplements?

Bonnie
 

Laurie, you asked about flax. You can buy it in bulk from a feed store or from a bulk food store. A small coffee grinder (like a mini-blender) can be found on Amazon. https://www.amazon.com/s?k=salton+coffee+grinder+electric+white&crid=69OPZ53OS2GG&sprefix=salton+coffee+grinder%2Caps%2C195&ref=nb_sb_ss_i_2_21
It takes about 6 seconds to grind, very easy.
We are all pulling for you while you rush about trying to get it all in place. Do one thing at a time and in a few weeks it will seem like normal routine.
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Bonnie and Lad
North Ontario
Dec 2008
 


Re: Feed and Weight loss (Majik)

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Fixed it for you, Dawn.

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Lavinia, George Too, Calvin (PPID) and Dinky (PPID/IR)
Nappi, George and Dante Over the Bridge
Jan 05, RI
Moderator ECIR


Re: Feed and Weight loss (Majik)

 

Dawn, I think it's no more than a poor implementation of the page gray background on the Triple Crown site. 
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Cass, Sonoma Co., CA 2012
ECIR Group Moderator
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