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Re: Target's trim

Cindy Q
 

Suggestion, get your trimmer to come and help take a full set of updated pictures. Pay her for the visit and help. Upload those pictures. Then contact Lavinia for full markups for a paid consult.

Also Lorna did a helpful thing to hunt down Lavinia's last advice to you: https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/message/248449
Lavinia mentioned that trimmer did a good job. Not sure what happened to her but where possible I would get her to help with the photos and the trim again. It just makes sense.

Personally I would NOT cut out the frog part of the pads. The frog part being puffed out shows that the frog did not get much contact with pad. By cutting out that part of the pad, you have the frog more suspended and up in the air than before. I would try a thin triangle glued on to the main pad where the frog would be even (I say thin so you don't over load the frog) - basically need to observe how your horse responds and then you can remove it, keep it, increase it depending on what he likes best. 

Good luck.

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Cindy and Glow - Sep 2017, Singapore
ECIR Primary Response





Re: Update: getting worse - help!

Mary M.
 

Hi Carly, 
When i used to use a grazing muzzle, i put a low-sugar treat in it as i put it on. My mare got used to associating it with a treat and willingly stuck her nose in. I taped a lot of padding to it to keep it from rubbing (before putting it on). I used those fuzzy things and go on halters. 
Good luck 
Mary and Katie
Chelsea, MI 2013

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Mary%20and%20Katie


Re: Cavalor Fiber Force Availability

celestinefarm
 

Ferne,
Thanks for the update. I had been told by one of the Cavalor reps two years ago that Cavalor North America planned to import whatever equipment they needed to produce FiberForce here in the US. She didn't have any idea when that was going to take place.  I always thought it was the alfalfa stems that would be hard to get here in the USA, as the specialized equipment to produce just stems was only in Europe from what I had researched.
Cavalor Strucomix Original has alfalfa stems in it now, whereas FiberForce no longer says Alfalfa stems, but says ground alfalfa instead. Strucomix Original , Senior, and the other products sold here in the USA are now produced in the GA mill, only the FiberForce is still imported from Belgium.


I will  be happy if it is all produced in GA. 
--
Dawn Wagstaff and Tipperary   

Saline, MI  2003

Tipperary Case History

Juniper Case history: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Dawn%20and%20Juniper/Case%20history%20Juniper.pdf .


Re: Target's trim

LJ Friedman
 

I know nothing about trims, made something like Magic Cushion help?
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LJ Friedman  Nov 2014 Vista,   Northern  San Diego, CA

Jesse and majestic ‘s Case History 
Jesse's Photos

 


Re: Senior Gelding Diagnosed with cushings and having bladder issues

Cindy Q
 

Hi Jess

The link I gave you for forage sample kit has been changed. This should be the new one: https://dairyone.com/shop/equi-analytical-mailer-kit/

Also, to add a bit of background Dr Kellon gave you a Uckele email address to - she does free hay balancing for ECIR members who are using Uckele products.

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Cindy and Glow - Sep 2017, Singapore
ECIR Primary Response





Re: new labs and hay; questions; please dr. kellon

Daisy Shepherd
 


-- dr kellon,  leptin is 4.6; lowest ever; do you think that is a reflection of keeping weight down in spite of no exercise x6 weeks; vit e at 398.  thank you, daisy and tiko
-- 
Daisy, Tiko and Whisper
CO, April 2019
Case History:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Daisy%20and%20Tiko 
Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=90099&p=Name,,,20,2,0,0


Re: Target's trim

Lorna Cane
 

Hi Kathie,

Did you read all of Lavinia's post to you on April 4th?

I didn't see a request for markups, but here is the post number,and the last part of her message in that post.

Message 248449

"Trim was done on March 20 (based on the dates in the photos) so you don't need another trim until 4 weeks later. Trim will need to maintain the toe length (at ground level) and breakover where they are now - don't allow it to creep forward again. Need to add bevels to the very backs of the heels but don't lower them or the HPA will become worse. Trim only loose tags off the frogs while allowing them to callous over properly. The stretched tip of the frog will begin to dangle at some point - then you can trim it off. Have a read on Pete Ramey's site for some more in-depth information on what you are looking to accomplish:"

http://www.hoofrehab.com/Breakover.html
http://www.hoofrehab.com/HeelHeight.html
http://www.hoofrehab.com/HorsesSole.html


Lorna  in Eastern  Ontario
2002


 


Re: Target's trim

Kirsten Rasmussen
 

Hi Kathie,

Have you had your first set of free mark-ups yet?  You do need to ask specifically for them, and do your best to follow the photo guidelines at the following link:

https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/wiki/How-to-Get-Trim-Evaluations

If you have had your free markups done already, you can pay for any subsequent ones, again by specifically requesting them on this forum.  I know Lavinia charges MUCH less than some other online trimmers do, so it is very reasonable for her time and knowledge, especially as her markups are incredibly detailed.

--
Kirsten and Shaku (IR) - 2019
Kitimat, BC, Canada
ECIR Group Moderator
 
Shaku's Case History  
Shaku's Photo Album   


Re: Questions About Bloodwork Scheduled Next Week

Kirsten Rasmussen
 

To clarify, what I meant was that if he normally runs out of hay overnight, testing needs to be at least 4 hrs after he starts eating hay again in the morning.  Your situation sounds like there is the choice for continuous overnight hay feeding so you won't have to worry about an insulin surge in the morning with his first meal.  :)

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Kirsten and Shaku (IR) - 2019
Kitimat, BC, Canada
ECIR Group Moderator
 
Shaku's Case History  
Shaku's Photo Album   


Re: Questions About Bloodwork Scheduled Next Week

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

No problem, Tiffany. That set up is fine.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Senior Gelding Diagnosed with cushings and having bladder issues

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

The Balance Cubes are high calcium too.

The problem is most species regulate calcium absorption. Horses do not, absorbing as much as they can then excreting in the excess in urine which creates the "sludge" in the bladder.
--
Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Questions About Bloodwork Scheduled Next Week

Tiffany
 

Thanks everyone! I heard from my vet this morning and they found the TRH thankfully but he didn't say where they sourced it. With regard to the hay -- he is on a dry lot with his herd and they have a round bale enclosed in a "slow feeder." Its not your typical slow feeder (the squares are not small), but the stable is trying and I appreciate that. Removing him from the hay/herd may create some stress which would skew the results. Its supposed to be cool, gusty winds, and maybe even rainy that day too. I thought hay was ok, just not his ration balancer or outlast. Did I miss something? Will this still interfere with the IR aspect of testing?
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Tiffany
Lincoln County, MO
April 2020
Hollywood Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Tiffany%20and%20Hollywood
Hollywood Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=245376


Re: Cavalor Fiber Force Availability

ferne fedeli
 

Someone from Cavalor actually called me on the phone this morning and said that yes they were experiencing shortages and hoped to be back on schedule within the month.  They now are gearing up to producing it in the US and are still getting some shipments from Europe.  Their first shipments will be going out this week, although not enough product yet to fill all orders.  Hope we can all get what we need soon!
--

Ferne Fedeli  Magic & Jack   2007

No. California
Case History

 

 


Re: Senior Gelding Diagnosed with cushings and having bladder issues

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Jess,

Until you get his hay tested you may want to consider using Timothy Balance Cubes which are distributed by Triple Crown in the US as Naturals Timothy Balance Cubes (https://www.triplecrownfeed.com/products/timothy-balance-cubes/).  These have a guaranteed analysis and can be used in place of hay.  It's difficult to answer your other questions without having the case history information so I look forward to seeing that once you get it completed.




Re: Donkey with Cushings and isn't shedding coat while on Prascend and ACTH is controlled

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Leah,

You get a free balancing with your course enrollment so send me the analyses of the hay and straw. Is she still in a stall with her daughter? Does she get her share of the hay? Have you dewormed her recently? Does she get regular Ca Trace or the Plus?
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Senior Gelding Diagnosed with cushings and having bladder issues

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Do you mean he needs to gain weight?  Many PPID/Cushing's horses have insulin resistance which makes grain dangerous. You need to check insulin before feeding grain. All commercial grain mixes and balancers have way too much calcium for him. So does beet pulp. Get the hay and insulin tested, send to me at kellon "at" uckele.com and I'll figure out a diet for you.  In the meantime, get him some TC Naturals Golden Ground Flax and you can feed up to 1 lb/day.  See if you can locate some grass hay pellets.
--
Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: yearly xrays

nikkibob1994@...
 

Thank you Dr. Kellon. I will see about getting everything back up...
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Nikkibob
Wisconsin, Sept 2018
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nikki%20and%20Darby 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=77396


Donkey with Cushings and isn't shedding coat while on Prascend and ACTH is controlled

Leah Bartel
 

Blossom is a standard donkey and was diagnosed with Cushings December of 2019. She had an ACTH level of 51 pg/mL with the normal range being 9-35 pg/mL. She started on a half tablet of Prascend and then we upped her dose to 1 tablet in the middle of March. She still has not shed out her winter coat, whereas her 8 year old daughter has almost totally shed out her coat. Otherwise, her hooves are relatively good, little to no laminitis, and she is sound. Her cresty neck has significantly softened and shrunk but is not totally gone. She has a body condition close to 5. She still has a little fat pad over her rump and her eyes are still goopy/crusty. Her coat quality is pretty stiff and long despite frequent brushing. We just did another ACTH test and her number was 13 pg/mL (within the normal range of 9-35 pg/mL). Why is she still not shedding if the ACTH is controlled?

Should I increase her prascend dose?

The vet wasn't concerned about her coat and brushed it off as her being a donkey (despite her daughter having a short, sleek, and soft coat) and that she is older, somewhere in the 18-22 range. The vet thinks I should decrease her prascend dose to a half a tablet.

I have not balanced their hay yet as I am currently in the NRC plus course right now. Will hopefully be able to balance their hay once I finish the course. 

--
Leah
Ohio
2019

Blossom's Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Leah,%20Scooter%20and%20Blossom 
Scooter's Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Leah%20and%20Scooter
Scooter's Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=240467


Re: Senior Gelding Diagnosed with cushings and having bladder issues

Jess R
 

Hi Cindy and Dr. Kellon,

Thank you so much for your responses. He is in need of grain as we speak, is there a certain brand I should get with low calcium? I see you mentioned Triple Crown which he used to be on Triple crown senior.  I will fill in the history report that has all of the tests we have run. I will look into getting the hay tested because I only know that it is a second cut Timothy/Orchard mix. 

We used to wet his hay due to his heaves and he didn't really like it. He used to dunk his hay a lot but not so much anymore. 

--
Jess in New Jersey 2020


Re: Advise on giving Metformin

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Sorry - I misread your initial post. I see you are grinding them separately.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001

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