Re: Journey of Lamintis and Abcess
Bobbie Day
Oh my gosh Nancy, that is absolutely amazing and so encouraging.
Thanks for sharing ❤️ -- Bobbie and Desi Utah, Nov 2018 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Bobbie%20and%20Desi https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=78821
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Case history and Xrays
Hi, would it be possible for someone to review my case history and images please?
not sure if I am meant to post and ask as I am still trying to find my way round the site so apologies if what I am doing is wrong. -- Erika Raffell UK 2019 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Erika%20and%20Robbie
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Re: new labs and hay; questions; please dr. kellon
Probably. Leptin seems to be most reliable as an indicator of weight.
-- Eleanor in PA www.drkellon.com
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Re: Advise on giving Metformin
Thank you everyone for the advise. Adding a little flax is a great idea since it creates so much dust!
-- Beth & Flame NV Oct 2013
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Journey of Lamintis and Abcess
Hi,
I have added some images to my album of that illustrates our journey of how Vinnies very mild laminitis in 11/2018 turned into a massive medial access in June 2019 and ended in sloughing the medial hoof wall on his left front. I post as moral support for anyone that needs to know that there is light at the end of what seems like a very long dark tunnel. Xx -- Nancy and Vinnie Oakley, Ca Joined Nov 2018 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Vinnie https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=245855
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Re: Hoof trim
Deborah Lesdalons
Hi Lavinia,
I've taken the photos you wanted. Not easy getting him to stand on three legs so if any aren't clear enough just let me know and I'll do them again. Many thanks, -- -Deborah and Baladin. August 2016, Drôme, France Baladin Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Deborah%20and%20Baladin%20-%20Veloutine%20-%20Eglantine/Baladin Baladin's Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=70560
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Re: Target's trim
Cindy Q
Suggestion, get your trimmer to come and help take a full set of updated pictures. Pay her for the visit and help. Upload those pictures. Then contact Lavinia for full markups for a paid consult.
Also Lorna did a helpful thing to hunt down Lavinia's last advice to you: https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/message/248449 Lavinia mentioned that trimmer did a good job. Not sure what happened to her but where possible I would get her to help with the photos and the trim again. It just makes sense. Personally I would NOT cut out the frog part of the pads. The frog part being puffed out shows that the frog did not get much contact with pad. By cutting out that part of the pad, you have the frog more suspended and up in the air than before. I would try a thin triangle glued on to the main pad where the frog would be even (I say thin so you don't over load the frog) - basically need to observe how your horse responds and then you can remove it, keep it, increase it depending on what he likes best. Good luck. -- Cindy and Glow - Sep 2017, Singapore
ECIR Primary Response Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Cindy%20and%20Glow
Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=9798
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Re: Update: getting worse - help!
Mary M.
Hi Carly,
When i used to use a grazing muzzle, i put a low-sugar treat in it as i put it on. My mare got used to associating it with a treat and willingly stuck her nose in. I taped a lot of padding to it to keep it from rubbing (before putting it on). I used those fuzzy things and go on halters. Good luck Mary and Katie Chelsea, MI 2013 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Mary%20and%20Katie
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Re: Cavalor Fiber Force Availability
celestinefarm
Ferne,
Thanks for the update. I had been told by one of the Cavalor reps two years ago that Cavalor North America planned to import whatever equipment they needed to produce FiberForce here in the US. She didn't have any idea when that was going to take place. I always thought it was the alfalfa stems that would be hard to get here in the USA, as the specialized equipment to produce just stems was only in Europe from what I had researched. Cavalor Strucomix Original has alfalfa stems in it now, whereas FiberForce no longer says Alfalfa stems, but says ground alfalfa instead. Strucomix Original , Senior, and the other products sold here in the USA are now produced in the GA mill, only the FiberForce is still imported from Belgium. I will be happy if it is all produced in GA. -- Dawn Wagstaff and Tipperary Saline, MI 2003 Tipperary Case History
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Re: Target's trim
I know nothing about trims, made something like Magic Cushion help?
-- LJ Friedman Nov 2014 Vista, Northern San Diego, CA Jesse and majestic ‘s Case History
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Re: Senior Gelding Diagnosed with cushings and having bladder issues
Cindy Q
Hi Jess
The link I gave you for forage sample kit has been changed. This should be the new one: https://dairyone.com/shop/equi-analytical-mailer-kit/ Also, to add a bit of background Dr Kellon gave you a Uckele email address to - she does free hay balancing for ECIR members who are using Uckele products. -- Cindy and Glow - Sep 2017, Singapore
ECIR Primary Response Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Cindy%20and%20Glow
Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=9798
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Re: new labs and hay; questions; please dr. kellon
Daisy Shepherd
-- dr kellon, leptin is 4.6; lowest ever; do you think that is a reflection of keeping weight down in spite of no exercise x6 weeks; vit e at 398. thank you, daisy and tiko -- Daisy, Tiko and Whisper CO, April 2019 Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Daisy%20and%20Tiko Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=90099&p=Name,,,20,2,0,0
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Re: Target's trim
Hi Kathie,
Did you read all of Lavinia's post to you on April 4th? I didn't see a request for markups, but here is the post number,and the last part of her message in that post. Message 248449 "Trim was done on March 20 (based on the dates in the photos) so you don't need another trim until 4 weeks later. Trim will need to maintain the toe length (at ground level) and breakover where they are now - don't allow it to creep forward again. Need to add bevels to the very backs of the heels but don't lower them or the HPA will become worse. Trim only loose tags off the frogs while allowing them to callous over properly. The stretched tip of the frog will begin to dangle at some point - then you can trim it off. Have a read on Pete Ramey's site for some more in-depth information on what you are looking to accomplish:" http://www.hoofrehab.com/Breakover.html http://www.hoofrehab.com/HeelHeight.html http://www.hoofrehab.com/HorsesSole.html Lorna in Eastern Ontario
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Re: Target's trim
Hi Kathie,
Have you had your first set of free mark-ups yet? You do need to ask specifically for them, and do your best to follow the photo guidelines at the following link: https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/wiki/How-to-Get-Trim-Evaluations If you have had your free markups done already, you can pay for any subsequent ones, again by specifically requesting them on this forum. I know Lavinia charges MUCH less than some other online trimmers do, so it is very reasonable for her time and knowledge, especially as her markups are incredibly detailed. -- Kirsten and Shaku (IR) - 2019 Kitimat, BC, Canada ECIR Group Moderator Shaku's Photo Album
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Re: Questions About Bloodwork Scheduled Next Week
To clarify, what I meant was that if he normally runs out of hay overnight, testing needs to be at least 4 hrs after he starts eating hay again in the morning. Your situation sounds like there is the choice for continuous overnight hay feeding so you won't have to worry about an insulin surge in the morning with his first meal. :)
-- Kirsten and Shaku (IR) - 2019 Kitimat, BC, Canada ECIR Group Moderator Shaku's Photo Album
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Re: Questions About Bloodwork Scheduled Next Week
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Re: Senior Gelding Diagnosed with cushings and having bladder issues
The Balance Cubes are high calcium too.
The problem is most species regulate calcium absorption. Horses do not, absorbing as much as they can then excreting in the excess in urine which creates the "sludge" in the bladder. -- Eleanor in PA www.drkellon.com
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Re: Questions About Bloodwork Scheduled Next Week
Thanks everyone! I heard from my vet this morning and they found the TRH thankfully but he didn't say where they sourced it. With regard to the hay -- he is on a dry lot with his herd and they have a round bale enclosed in a "slow feeder." Its not your typical slow feeder (the squares are not small), but the stable is trying and I appreciate that. Removing him from the hay/herd may create some stress which would skew the results. Its supposed to be cool, gusty winds, and maybe even rainy that day too. I thought hay was ok, just not his ration balancer or outlast. Did I miss something? Will this still interfere with the IR aspect of testing?
-- Tiffany Lincoln County, MO April 2020 Hollywood Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Tiffany%20and%20Hollywood Hollywood Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=245376
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Re: Cavalor Fiber Force Availability
ferne fedeli
Someone from Cavalor actually called me on the phone this morning and said that yes they were experiencing shortages and hoped to be back on schedule within the month. They now are gearing up to producing it in the US and are still getting some shipments from Europe. Their first shipments will be going out this week, although not enough product yet to fill all orders. Hope we can all get what we need soon!
-- Ferne Fedeli Magic & Jack 2007 No. California
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Re: Senior Gelding Diagnosed with cushings and having bladder issues
Sherry Morse
Hi Jess, Until you get his hay tested you may want to consider using Timothy Balance Cubes which are distributed by Triple Crown in the US as Naturals Timothy Balance Cubes (https://www.triplecrownfeed.com/products/timothy-balance-cubes/). These have a guaranteed analysis and can be used in place of hay. It's difficult to answer your other questions without having the case history information so I look forward to seeing that once you get it completed.
Thanks, Sherry and Scutch (and Scarlet over the bridge) EC Primary Response PA 2014 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sherry%20and%20Scutch_Scarlet https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=78891
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