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Re: Stress from Move Precipitating PPID/IR/Laminitis??

Lorna Cane
 

Hi Lindsay,

The reason I mentioned ticks is because years ago my immediate neighbour told me her horses had no ticks. My horses had tons of them,so this was a real conundrum.
She said her ponies did have some kind of something, though.A skin
thing,swelling,and sometimes scabbing.
Bingo.
That's what the tiny ones do.They are often very difficult to see,very. But a sensitive finger will pick them up.
Sure enough,upon further examination,this turned out the be the skin  thingie.
You probably know all this,but just in case.

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Lorna  in Eastern  Ontario
2002
Check out FAQ : https://www.ecirhorse.org/FAQ.php


New lab results for Akira

 

Hi all ...I am updating my case history with the new lab results but I have a question. When my vet drew them he wasn't sure he sent them off properly spun or processed. I got my new lab results and they are pretty in line with last years except I noticed this years say Serum Insulin baseline and Serum Leptin baseline where as last year they were Plasma. Does this mean I need to redraw the leptin and insulin or are we good for another year. Her labs until I update her case history are:

Serum glucose 92 (reference range 71-122)
Serum Insulin 20.85 ref 10-40
Leptin 8.25 ref 

I am confused because last year her G/I ratio was 4.8 Compensated. This year it is 4.4 Uncompensated

RISQ 0.22 this year  Poorly compensated and 0.23 last year compensated
MIRG 8.8 High Insulin responder and last year 8.2 high insulin responder. I am confused if the numbers are so close why she would have gone from compensated to uncompensated and poorly compensated?

Also the glucose is the first time it has been sent out...the other vet used to test on site so this result came back with a bunch of other things like Lipemia, hemolysis, Icterus, Cobas Interface. I have no idea the relevance of all that or is it just the standard when you send a glucose off? I apologize but it is taking an extra long time to update my case history because that was on my old Windows 7 laptop and moving it to the new Windows 10 and trying to convert it has taken me sometime. I should have it updated soon but was more worried about all the past labs being plasma except the T3, T4 and Free T4 I had in the past vs this year being plasma and a new vet unsure of how to send them off.
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Nancy and Akira
3/20/2018  Burkesville KY

Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Akira


Re: Stress from Move Precipitating PPID/IR/Laminitis??

lindsaykrauland@...
 

Hi Lorna, 

We have ticks.  We don’t have Lyme, but other tick-borne illnesses can be an issue.  (I hate the nasty little bloodsuckers!) But ticks are not Audi’s issue.  We don’t have a ton of ticks on the property, as our poultry eat them.  We *occasionally* find them on the animals, but I haven’t seen any on the horses, and I’m more hands-on with the horses than with most of the other animals.
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Lindsay in TX 2020

Audi Case History:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Lindsay%20and%20Audi

Audi Photo Album:
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=248156 


Re: Vinnie back on Equioxx

Lorna Cane
 

I  use BOT products, too,Rozanne.

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Lorna  in Eastern  Ontario
2002
Check out FAQ : https://www.ecirhorse.org/FAQ.php


Re: Stress from Move Precipitating PPID/IR/Laminitis??

Lorna Cane
 

Lindsay ,do you have ticks there ?
Some horses have swellings such as you describe,from tick bites.

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Lorna  in Eastern  Ontario
2002
Check out FAQ : https://www.ecirhorse.org/FAQ.php


Re: Vinnie back on Equioxx

rozaniloc@...
 

I don't know if other use them, but Sunday finds relief from Back on Track products - he has a sheet & hock boots which I often use for several hours before riding. When he was boarded & stalled I also used standing wraps with great success. They have shipping boots I believe which should cover ringbone area.

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Rozanne & Sunday
July 02 2019  Larimer County, Colorado
case history:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Rozanne%20&%20Sunday  .


Re: Need Shedding Wisdom

LJ Friedman
 

How do you clipping  her relate to the skin sensitivity?
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LJ Friedman  Nov 2014 Vista,   Northern  San Diego, CA

Jesse and majestic ‘s Case History 
Jesse's Photos

 


Re: Stress from Move Precipitating PPID/IR/Laminitis??

lindsaykrauland@...
 

Thanks again for all the info!  I so appreciate everyone taking the time to respond!  I need to run in a moment, but wanted to comment quickly on his eating.

He eats well!  Though I don’t have hay weights at the moment, I do have the opportunity to observe him while he’s having a “meal” and is separated from Mogley.  He always finishes his meal; I don’t think he’s ever left more than a mouthful in the bottom of his bucket.  His current meals consist of: 1.5 lb r/s/r beet pulp, 0.5 lb timothy cubes, 0.5 lb ground flax, and his minerals & supplements.  He gets that every a.m. and p.m. and consumes the entire amount.  He always has some hay in his meal corral also.  That way, if I feed him and then move on to something else, he can munch on some hay while he waits for me to return.  More often than not, a big pile of hay is gone when I return if I’ve been gone for any length of time.  Now, whether he digests his food well could maybe be a separate issue?  Could he be suffering from some sort of malabsorption issue?  Ulcers?

Perhaps it was a salivary gland that was swollen, although I feel like the vet mentioned a lymph node.  I remember that because I was surprised that he didn’t call it a salivary gland, which is what I assumed it was.  Regardless, the large swellings are a transient issue.  The smaller “hives” are an ongoing issue and appear all over his body. He always seems to have a few of those.

Unfortunately, the vet can’t see him right now.  The earliest they can either come here or see him in-office is June 10.  Because I didn’t want to wait that long for labs, I worked with them to draw the blood for ACTH myself, then I scheduled his imaging for the 10th.  I will definitely discuss next steps when he’s in on Wednesday, and I have my fingers crossed that his labs will be available then, too!

I was holding off on insulin until his laminitis resolved.  But I think you are saying to just go ahead and draw that ASAP.  Am I correct?
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Lindsay in TX 2020

Audi Case History:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Lindsay%20and%20Audi

Audi Photo Album:
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=248156 


Re: Vinnie back on Equioxx

Nancy & Vinnie & Summer
 


Re: Choices...

Joy V
 

Thanks so much Susan.  My hay guy is always looking to find good tested hay.  If he finds anything in your area I can let you know if you like?

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Joy and Willie  
(aka FLS Boxcar Willie)

Nevada County, CA - 2019


Case history:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Joy%20and%20Willie
Willie's photo album:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=242526


Re: Animed products

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Nothing harmful.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Vinnie back on Equioxx

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

The Sore-No-More line is my favorite.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: surpass otc available

LJ Friedman
 

thanks for The reply. Of course I bought a large tube from Walgreens and tossed  the receipt. So I will give it to someone that needs it. I will mention how important nsaid  overload can happen from a combination of topical and internal ingestion. One time I gave my dog a concoction applied topically for a hotspot and I put in too much banamine . I was way off on my calculation. And he got an ulcer from that topical administration of the Banamine. So,I will not even consider using the surpass over the counter alternative
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LJ Friedman  Nov 2014 Vista,   Northern  San Diego, CA

Jesse and majestic ‘s Case History 
Jesse's Photos

 


Re: pentosan

LJ Friedman
 

I think it’s safe to assume this is a compounded price. I can tell you when I used pentosan. compounded from Wedgewood, there was always a reaction at the injection site. This last batch of pentosan  and I bought was not compounded.
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LJ Friedman  Nov 2014 Vista,   Northern  San Diego, CA

Jesse and majestic ‘s Case History 
Jesse's Photos

 


Re: pentosan

LJ Friedman
 

some say that monthly or every two weeks is not as good as waiting a few months and repeating the four week injection cycle
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LJ Friedman  Nov 2014 Vista,   Northern  San Diego, CA

Jesse and majestic ‘s Case History 
Jesse's Photos

 


Re: Stress from Move Precipitating PPID/IR/Laminitis??

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Even a list of possibilities for something like that requires an examination (can someone come out? If not, at least give them a call.) but if it's part of a chronic problem that would lead to poor eating that certainly could explain a lot. Swelling under the tongue is more likely to be salivary gland.

There could be multiple explanations! You're on a reasonable investigative course now - labs (wouldn't hurt to include a chemistry panel), calorie count (hay weights), radiographs and nerve blocks if indicated at the time. Also give your attending vet a complete history timeline. Take it from there.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Stress from Move Precipitating PPID/IR/Laminitis??

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Just the lateral photos.

You won't see laminitis without the elevated insulin. It could be high regardless of how he looks externally, but you usually see some indication - e.g. crest or fat pads above the eyes - and his breeding goes against it. I'm just trying to brainstorm other causes of hoof pain to explain what you saw.  It's not at all surprising he had hoof pain before you got him considering the horrible shape his feet were in - long toe, underrun, cracking. They have improved greatly with your trimmer but the old poor quality hoof still has a way to go in growing out. Also to be considered for the stance and pain on  5/29 is tying up. That  doesn't explain hoof heat and pulses but inflammation of other causes and elevated blood pressure from pain could explain that too. I'd reconsider getting insulin tested.

I agree it doesn't look like a dramatic change in Mogley's body condition score.

Yes, an accurate weight of how much they eat in a day would be very helpful.

I asked about deworming because it looks like he has been rubbing his tail and his abdomen is a bit distended. That could also be flying insect irritation and weak abdominal wall from PPID.  Always lots of possibilities. If your vet does fecals on the premises, that rules out large infestations of adult worms other than tapes or pinworms but doesn't rule out immature forms. If the fecals are shipped out, they're unreliable unless kept and sent chilled.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: pentosan

Tina Martin
 

Hi LJ,

I haven't posted in a loooong time :) but I wanted to share my experience with Pentosan.
I have a 32 year old QH, Truman, who has arthritis and had problems getting up after laying down.  It got so bad that we thought that it would be best to put him down. I'm by myself a lot and had some horrible experiences trying to get him up using another horse, a tractor, etc.

My vet suggested pentosan injections. I ramped it up with several shots per week for a month, then just 1 shot every two weeks going forward. That was about six months ago. He made a complete turn around! He can get up without any problems now, he even trots and canters (!) around the pasture again and started to mess with my other horses. I even stopped the glucosamine, MSM, and chondoitrin supplement I was giving him. I think he may have a few more years of life due to this drug.  I am VERY thankful!  Just wanted to share this.
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Tina, May 2011

 

Ellijay GA

Rio Case History 

Sunny Case History

Captain, Sparky, Truman


Re: Stress from Move Precipitating PPID/IR/Laminitis??

lindsaykrauland@...
 

Thanks again, Dr. Kellon.

I just went out to check on the animals, and I found a new issue with Audi.  Now he has a sizable swelling over his mouth.  I looked & felt around as best as I could but couldn’t appreciate any stuck food or tooth issues in that area.  Nothing stuck into the skin from the outside either.  In late April, at his last vet appointment, the vet noticed he had a very swollen lymph node under his tongue.  Same thing, no obvious cause.  It resolved in about a week with no treatment.  

I posted a face photo in my album.  You can also see some of the skin irritation/hives across his cheek, and you might be able to appreciate that his eye is a bit weepy.  (Though at the moment, it really doesn’t look too bad.  The other eye was gunkier.) 

Pending lab results, I’m going on the assumption that he is PPID and/or IR, but I’m supposing there are other causes?  In the event that his labs come back normal, then what makes the most sense?  Trial pergolide?  More sensitive testing?  Or try and chase down another cause?  The poor guy is a hot mess right now.  :(
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Lindsay in TX 2020

Audi Case History:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Lindsay%20and%20Audi

Audi Photo Album:
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=248156 


Re: most suitable ration balancer for ir mare on Long Island

Ellen Fetterman
 

Hi LJ amd Jeannean,

    Annie gets first cut grass hay. Annie does not like TC Natural cubes- she won't eat any wet food other than hay. 
    The barn buys hay from several sources and I am not privy to that information.I was hoping to find a ration balancer that does not contain any alfalfa. Does Horsetech  make a suitable ration balancer, as their products can have a flax base?
    Thanks for your help and sharing information. I and Annie appreciate your input.

Ellen and Annie
March 2013
Long Island

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Ellen and Annie
Mar 2018
Suffolk County, NY

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