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Re: Lose of Weight

Reta Heaslip
 

Sherry, Whistler's teeth were floated May 2020 with points found on the right side only. I haven't noticed any difficulty with chewing. He typically finishes anything put in from of him including hay, Timothy Balance Cubes and split peas. It is difficult to assess water consumption as he shares a water trough with his two companions. Occasionally when I'm at the barn I see him having a good helping of water.

I have included some other facts to help sort out this conundrum. On June 9, 2020 Whistler weighed 948 lbs (approx.) and was noticeably thinner so hay was bumped from 17 lbs/day to 18 lbs. By July 6th he had gained about 14 lbs. Although there was weight gain, it seemed like his body condition had worsened. His spine/vertebrae are quite prominent as are his hips and pelvic bones. We are still in a heat wave with temperatures in the 30+ degrees Celsius. Tomorrow I'll take his temperature and check for signs of dehydration. As mentioned previously, he has not been ridden for the past two weeks due to poor body condition, however, previously, his weekly exercise included approximately 4-6 hours of trail riding with walk, trot and canter. Fecal results today showed an absence of tapeworms and a few strongyles. There was no egg count provided as testing was done locally at the vet's office.

I have uploaded an additional photo today to show prominent pelvic bones.

The continued decline in body condition may in part be due to heat stress; although decline was noted prior to high temperatures. Any thoughts about other possible underlying causes for these changes and strategies to regain good body condition?
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Reta
Sept 7, 2017
Gananoque, ON, CA

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Reta%20and%20Whistler .

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=10035


Re: Nitrate in hay

 

Hi, Linda. 
The hay is safe.

A quick search of FILES brought up this clear chart showing the if %nitrate of 0.25 or lower, the hay is safe:
https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/files/5%20Core%20Diet/1.%20Hay%20Information/Nitrate%20Guidelines%202012.pdf 

--
Cass, Sonoma Co., CA 2012
ECIR Group Moderator
Cayuse and Diamond Case History Folder                
Cayuse Photos                Diamond Photos 


Re: Relevante Trim guidelines

Lynn
 

Hi Lavinia,
I added some post trim photos. I think my farrier did a pretty good job. He read all your notes and the reading material you provided then went to work. I took photos right after each trim so we could look and compare and see what else needed to be done. Relevante was not impressed....LOL
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Lynn
Beavercreek, Ohio
March 2018
Relevante Case History
Relevante Photo Album

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Re: Thank you, all

Lynn
 

Penny - I'm so very sorry to read of the loss of your beautiful boy. I know there is nothing any of us can say to fill the hole he has left. But looking at his photos you can tell that he was happy. The photo of him in that lovely field with his head outstretched makes me think that is what he must look like now except pain free and young. I'm glad he lived out his days with such a loving caretaker.
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Lynn
Beavercreek, Ohio
March 2018
Relevante Case History
Relevante Photo Album

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Re: Thank you, all

Maxine McArthur
 

Penny, I am so sorry you had to say goodbye to Sunny. He looked magnificent for his age, a testimony to your good husbandry. Thank you for taking the time to let us know, and to let us know that the group has helped you. 
--
Maxine and Indy (PPID) and Dangles (PPID)

Canberra, Australia 2010
ECIR Primary Response

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Maxine%20and%20Indy%20and%20Dangles 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=933

 


Re: uniprim?

Sherry Morse
 

Hi LJ,

You can find several messages about Uniprim by using the search feature: https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/search?q=uniprim

As far as the x-ray machines - there are different models but the basics are the same with all of them.




Re: uniprim?

LJ Friedman
 

So I started Jesse on uniprim today. He does need follow up x-rays. And the vet is scheduled to come on Thursday. But I will probably fire her. She uses her own  horse trailer as a hospital  theater, And  afterMajestic got his teeth done, he crashed down on his fronts while   going down the ramp. So that pretty much disgusted me. My question is are x-ray machines for dental different then I see that vets bring  to check hooves  etc.    that’s what I need to know  
She said there was no evidence of the diastema..  Thinking perhaps his reduce chewing ability is causing his weight loss?? thoughts  thanks
-- LJ Friedman  Nov 2014 Vista,   Northern  San Diego, CA

Jesse and majestic ‘s Case History 
Jesse's Photos

 


Re: Our pony Flirt in trouble again!!

LJ Friedman
 


-- Those of us that use Metformin  grind it in a small coffee grinder battery operated as well. And then mix it with something tasty. You could try Hygain zero.
LJ Friedman  Nov 2014 Vista,   Northern  San Diego, CA

Jesse and majestic ‘s Case History 
Jesse's Photos

 


Re: Standlee Teff Hay Pellets Analysis

 

My hay is very difficult this year, low protein and low calcium. Would teff be a suitable replacement for alfalfa to pull those numbers up without risking the foot soreness that can come from alfalfa or is there something else I don't know? I have never heard about teff until the last year, so I'm still new to it.
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Amber, Calliber and now Marquise
Upstate SC
Joined in 2019

NRCPlus Jan 2019
CIR 2019
DEW 2019

Calliber Case History https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Amber%20and%20Calliber
Calliber Photos https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=82557

Marquise's Case History https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Amber%20and%20Marquise
Marquise's Photos https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=91447


Re: Interpreting IR Test Results?

Heather Smith
 

Hi everyone, 
I'm reporting in with updated test results (they are also in Dot Com's case history file).  It's been a few weeks so as a refresher - I'm trying to help my husband's 20 year old quarter horse gelding, a performance horse, grow healthier feet. He's been dealing with on-going white line/separation, vertical cracks and horizontal fissures despite a long-time balanced diet, frequent trimming and regular anti-fungal soaks and topical tx (also see some updated pics in his photo album). 

On 5/22/2020 we had a metabolic panel done, the blood was drawn after hauling him to the Vet. clinic and having his normal diet that day (+ hay on the way there, no fasting).
Glucose - 97 mg/dL (normal range 71-122)
Insulin - 15.17 uIU/mL (normal range 10-40)
Leptin - 7.88 ng/mL (normal range 1-10)

Based on the suggestions here, on 6/23/2020 in the mid-late morning I drew blood samples myself at home (and immediately transported them to the Vet., following all the proper procedures) after he'd been turned out on pasture only overnight and that morning - no alfalfa and no grain that morning or the night before. 
His ACTH - 23.1 pg/mL (normal range 9-35)
His Insulin Re-Test - 32.47 ml (normal range 10-40)
His Iron Panel Results:
Serum Iron - 149 ug/dL (normal range 91-240)
TIBC - 377 ug/dL (normal range 270-500)
Ferritin - 351 ng/mL (normal range 85-726)


Does this give us any clues? 
--
Heather Smith, Central Texas, 2019
Dot Com / Zans Bar Chex (Pending IR/PPID)


Re: Thank you, all

 

Awwww Penny....my heart hurts for you....no matter how long they are with us...seems there is never enough time. I am grateful you had 4 more good years with Sunny and pray the memories  you have of your 22 yrs together will ease the grief. Hugs and prayers to you....

--
Nancy and Akira
3/20/2018  Burkesville KY

Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Akira


Re: Thank you, all

Carol
 

Penny, I want to express my warmest thoughts of sympathy on the loss of your precious horse Sonny.  31 years old!  Wow, he made it that far.  I too had a Cushings horse who eventually passed of EPM. I know the heart break. Seeing all the progress toward wholeness with ECIR help was the best thing we had. Then to see the signs of EPM sneak in years later and gradually take over until a premature end, was hard to take.  My thoughts and prayers are with you.  It will take time .... Sending you (((Hugs))). 


On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 11:41 AM Penny Linke <pennylinke@...> wrote:
I want to thank this group for all the support, education, and information over the last 4 years.  We had to say good-bye to our best friend of the last 22 years, our 31 year old Sunny.  He was diagnosed with PPID 4 years ago after a very stressful hurricane evacuation.  A friend told me about this group at the time and it was a godsend. The help and information is so thorough here that I almost never had to post, as long as I took the time to dig through the files and messages. I could make decisions and discuss topics with my vet and farrier with conviction, whether it was about diet, medications, or hoof trim. I credit you all for giving me 4 more years with Sunny-healthy, vibrant and laminitis-free.  In the end it was EPM and the resulting neurologic complications that forced us to make the final decision.  We are heartbroken, but so thankful that we could enjoy his silly antics for so long.


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Re: Finally can get hay tested but have a question

Tucker
 


Trouble finding suitable hay

Kim Leitch
 

I am having trouble finding low ESC hay this year. I have tested 5 different growers, 4 local growers (NC and SC), and one from NY. All the local hay was way over 10% ESC. The  NY timothy is 9.2% ESC and 0.8% starch. I have added a photo of th NY hay analysis to Dually’s photo album. 

I looked back over all my hay analysis from past years, and the highest ESC +starch has been around 6%, and my horses have done well. I am going to buy this hay, because it’s the best I can find, but I’m afraid to feed it without soaking it. Am I being over cautious? Soaking hay is not a long term option for me, it will probably lead to divorce (only joking). I know many of you do it all the time, but with 5 feedings a day for 4 horses, that is too many hours out of my day.
So my question is, can I feed this without soaking?
--
Kim 10-2014

Clover, SC

Grits and Dually: IR; Bella: PPID, IR; and Eeyore (deceased, but not PPID related)

Case History https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Kim%20and%20Grits%20-%20Eeyore%20-%20Dually

Photo album Grits https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=1314

Photo album Eeyore https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=6586&p=Name,,,20,1,0,0
Photo album Dually https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=9046&p=Name,,,20,1,0,0
Photo album Bella https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=64978




uniprim?

LJ Friedman
 

ok for dental infection   tooth needs removal, vet wants to start uniprim before   .  will do xray for further planning before moving forward 
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LJ Friedman  Nov 2014 Vista,   Northern  San Diego, CA

Jesse and majestic ‘s Case History 
Jesse's Photos

 


Re: Thank you, all

Frances C.
 


Im sorry to hear of the loss of Sunny. Valuable information in the ECIR files. Would be great to add a column of Cause of Death and Age and also a column on related issues with sire/dam. siblings progeny etc. I know this entails extra work but maybe in the dead of winter I could volunteer to pull out such datum.
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- Frances C.
December 2017, Washington & California
Case history: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Frances%20and%20Phoenix
Phoenix's Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=12382


Re: Thank you, all

Kim Rice
 

Hi Penny,

Sorry for your loss.  I know that our horses are family and they support us in so many ways.

Sunny is running free over the Rainbow Bridge feeling no pain and will always be in your heart.
--
Kim R, Lafayette, CA  2019
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Kim%20and%20Shomee


Re: hylarin-b

Nancy & Vinnie & Summer
 

What would be a safe increase? I am using MBH currently and the amts seems tiny and I am adding to feed. Inhave considered switching to Hylarin too because Uckele products are outstanding.
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Nancy and Vinnie and Summer
Oakley, Ca
Joined Nov 2018
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Vinnie 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=245855

Summer
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Vinnie/Summer 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=249104


Re: Finally can get hay tested but have a question

ferne fedeli
 

ESC is the sugar result in 603...
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Ferne Fedeli  Magic & Jack   2007

No. California
Case History

 

 


Re: Thank you, all

Sherry Morse
 

Oh Penny I am so sorry to read this but I'm so glad too that we were able to help you give Sunny a comfortable last 4 years of his life.  31 is a grand old age (my mare was also 31 when she decided she'd had enough) but it never feels like it's enough time for us. 



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