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Re: topline loss; any thoughts

Daisy Shepherd
 


-- thank you candice. finally after 2 weeks got a fecal to vet and he is still tape positive so will treat again and hope this does the trick. daisy and tiko
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Daisy, Tiko and Whisper
CO, April 2019
Case History:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Daisy%20and%20Tiko 
Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=90099&p=Name,,,20,2,0,0


Re: My new mare is on Regumate having Cornell testing done?

Laura and Pabatsa in CA
 

Thank you Dr. Kellon and group members for your wonderful advice!! This definitely helps me out a lot.

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Laura and Pabatsa in California
Feb 2012
Case History https://ecir.groups.io /g/CaseHistory/files/Laura%20a nd%20Pabatsa ( https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Laura%20and%20Pabatsa )
Pabatsa's Photos https://ecir.groups.io /g/CaseHistory/album?id=1740 ( https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=1740 )


Re: Mark ups on hoof radiographs request (Lavinia?) - hoof images added

Jenny Heishman
 

Hello again,

I have added hoof images to accompany the radiographs.....hooves have not been trimmed - same as those in radiographs, just two days apart.

Please let me know if there is a better way to organize all of the hoof images.
They are here in our album:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=60437
There is a body image first, then all the hoof images, followed by the lateral view radiographs.

Thanks so much for your help with this!

Best,
Jenny


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Jenny Heishman and Rico  
Bainbridge Island, WA   June 2018
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jenny%20and%20Rico
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=60437


Re: Weight Gain Woes

Maxine McArthur
 

On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 01:56 AM, Gail Russell wrote:
IR horse still got too much.  He just chewed faster.
We have this problem. The mare eats twice as much as the geldings in the same time. The only way we manage is to give the non-IR gelding some extra grazing time, and both geldings get more in their buckets. And the mare gets regular exercise. But it’s a logistical challenge and sometimes I feel like the ring-master of a large circus!
 
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Maxine and Indy (PPID) and Dangles (PPID)

Canberra, Australia 2010
ECIR Primary Response

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Maxine%20and%20Indy%20and%20Dangles 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=933

 


Labs and Radiographs

Melissa Mathurin
 
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Hi. I have a terrible time with the case history uploading and linking thing. Hope it works. We recently moved from MI to ME and my horse, Cooper, developed his second bout of laminitis. The new vet on 7/9/2020  increased his Prescend from 1 1/2 pills to 2 pills, increased his Thyro-L from 3 teaspoons to 4, had me continue his Metformin and then had me add InsulinWise. She drew insulin only and then did radiographs and had the farrier trim his front feet. She initially wanted to check insulin and ACTH in four weeks along with doing more radiographs and having the farrier trim again. I declined the second set of radiographs and the farrier visit. His trim left Cooper way worse then he started. So now she wants to wait until Sept 1st to retest ACTH (during the rise) and insulin. If Cooper's insulin is lower, how do I go about figuring out if the metformin or InsulinWise is working? Also how often do most people get radiographs? My MI vets rechecked his feet in 3 months, not four weeks. Thanks so much,
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Melissa and Cooper 07/2019
Montville, ME
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Melissa%20and%20Cooper


Re: My new mare is on Regumate having Cornell testing done?

Maxine McArthur
 

Hi Laura
in addition to Trish’s excellent suggestions, I have found that tying the nets firmly top and bottom to a post or other structure (tree branch, fence, wall of barn etc) at around wither height prevents a lot of tossing around. I also use multiple nets with some on the ground  to encourage change of posture. M mare has suspected neck arthritis so I don’t want her standing in one spot for hours. The ones on the ground are attached inside tire feeders. 
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Maxine and Indy (PPID) and Dangles (PPID)

Canberra, Australia 2010
ECIR Primary Response

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Maxine%20and%20Indy%20and%20Dangles 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=933

 


Re: Scooter's newest case history is posted. His IR calculator result says he has uncompensated IR. Is this good/bad? and what do I need to do?

Rhonda Turley
 

Thanks for the answer!  Yes I have found out how minerals are working, to help him. I have no idea  if the vets followed the correct procedure for collection and storage.  My fingers are crossed on that one.  His chronic thrush has healed  and he is growing new sole/frog.
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Scooter and Rhonda      

Rhonda Turley
Brampton, Ontario
April 2020


Re: Scooter's newest case history is posted. His IR calculator result says he has uncompensated IR. Is this good/bad? and what do I need to do?

Rhonda Turley
 

There is no shortage of hay/grain(in the past I would have to remind her not to feed Scooter as much) in this barn ever even though she could save money but the barn owner is not into boarding for the money! Scooter stays inside from 7 to 3 pm then gets turned out into a dirt paddock with soaked hay and a shelter for the night.  
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Scooter and Rhonda      

Rhonda Turley
Brampton, Ontario
April 2020


Re: Scooter's newest case history is posted. His IR calculator result says he has uncompensated IR. Is this good/bad? and what do I need to do?

Rhonda Turley
 

I have been at this boarding barn for 15 years and they generally have great care (but you have to do the barn owner's way).  Scooter is not allowed  any hay net as his food drive is strong.  (the joke about Canadians is they will die with hay in their mouth).  I have put a 40 lb white salt block in his stall and he moves that around with his nose and front feet. If there is one piece of hay in a hay net he will dive right in. Learned that one after I bought him at 3 years old.  He is now 14. I am very anal and wish the hay was weighed but I pick my battles. The hay was not soaked when the blood samples were taken.  Soaking his hay came after I got his results.  Correct me if I am wrong but the seasonal rise is on right now and peaks in August/September?
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Scooter and Rhonda      

Rhonda Turley
Brampton, Ontario
April 2020


Re: Mark ups on hoof radiographs request (Lavinia?)

Jenny Heishman
 

Hi Sherry,

sure, I can try to get those this afternoon.

thanks,
Jenny
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Jenny Heishman and Rico  
Bainbridge Island, WA   June 2018
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jenny%20and%20Rico
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=60437


Re: Mark ups on hoof radiographs request (Lavinia?)

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Jenny,

It would be super helpful if you could post some leg/hoof photos to go with those x-rays.  Info on that is here: https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/wiki/1472.




Mark ups on hoof radiographs request (Lavinia?)

Jenny Heishman
 

Hello,

I had lateral views done on my 9yo IR gelding, Rico.  I have been trimming his hooves for two years and I am new at it, so wanted to get the radiographs to check my work.  I have reviewed some of Lavinia's mark ups in other folders and it looks like I have let the toes get too long.  I would really appreciate any further guidance/advice.  All welcome as I aim to keep this guy as healthy, happy and sound as possible.  Thank-you!

He is barefoot except for when we venture out (on foot or ridden) and then he wears Equine Fusion jogger boots on his front hooves.  Considering getting boots for his back hooves, too.

Radiograph images are here:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=60437

Best,
Jenny

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Jenny Heishman and Rico  
Bainbridge Island, WA   June 2018
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jenny%20and%20Rico
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=60437


Re: My new mare is on Regumate having Cornell testing done?

Trisha DePietro
 

Hi Laura. Just something for you to consider...some folks build a box and place the hay net inside the box and anchor it to the bottom. This way, if your horse tries to pull the net out she can't and shod feet can't tango with the net. I have also seen some folks build a small roof ( above horse height of course) over the top of the box to protect hay from rain, snow, etc. This will elminate any tooth concerns with metal grates. I also give a free flake to my horse before giving them their haynets. I find that it takes the edge off and they don't attack the nets....( I weigh my net of hay and then pull out a flake to feed loose) My horses seem happier and my nets don't get huge holes! Also, once i get my hay flakes into the nets I actually pull the hay flake apart as much as possible- I have noticed that if I leave it in flake form it is really easy for the horse to pull out huge pieces of hay bunches because they are all stuck together....this keeps them engaged but not blowing through their ration.
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Trisha DePietro
Aug 2018
NH
Dolly and Hope's Case Histories https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Trisha%20and%20Dolly%20-%20Hope
Dolly's Photos 
Hope's Photos 
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Re: My new mare is on Regumate having Cornell testing done?

Laura and Pabatsa in CA
 

Thanks Dr. Kellon I guess only the Cornell labs due in next week will be able to tell. A slow feeder was suggested. I can't use a hay net because she has a mild C3-4 arthritic change and I don't want to exacerbate it with tossing a hay net around to get the hay out. I've heard that the ones with metal grates can damage teeth, is that true?

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Laura and Pabatsa in California
Feb 2012
Case History https://ecir.groups.io /g/CaseHistory/files/Laura%20a nd%20Pabatsa ( https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Laura%20and%20Pabatsa )
Pabatsa's Photos https://ecir.groups.io /g/CaseHistory/album?id=1740 ( https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=1740 )


Re: Weight Gain Woes

lindsaykrauland@...
 

I had emailed the vet a couple days ago to ask about labs & pricing but didn't get a reply. (To be fair, they are usually really good about responding and are probably completely sick of me at this point!) So yesterday I simply emailed to let them know my husband would drop off the samples this morning and that I trusted whatever they thought was the best deal  asfar as pricing. I did ask them to consider the economy of sending to Cornell vs A&M.  My husband tells me they told him both ACTH & insulin are going to Cornell. So Cornell it is, I guess! 

I am pleased that this will make it easier to compare Audi's results with much of the published data.

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Lindsay in TX 2020

Audi Case History:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Lindsay%20and%20Audi

Audi Photo Album:
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=248156 


Re: Weight Gain Woes

Sherry Morse
 

So Lindsay,

Where are you have you having the ACTH done if A&M is shipping the insulin out to Cornell anyway?




Re: Weight Gain Woes

lindsaykrauland@...
 

Despite his bag o' bones appearance, Audi is definitely the dominant horse, so I'm sure Mo is not stealing his food. (Actually, now that Audi is less lethargic on pergolide, Mo has been sporting quite a few war wounds from trying to cross Audi. Nothing serious.) And they are generally happy to eat side by side, plus their "hard feeds" are always fed with them separated, so I am sure each horse is getting his calculated amount of the cubes,flax, safe starch, and minerals.

Admittedly, feeding the hay while the horses are on track has beena challenge. Audi needs all he can get, while Mo is an air fern. I've considered a grazing muzzle for Mo (no actual grazing on the track but rather to slow down his hay intake), but fussing with putting it on and off is just one more thing to mess with each day. More importantly, I'm not sure eating the hayis doing Mo any harm. Our current hay is very low s/s. Mo's maybe slightly overweight but not cresty. And as for Audi, he still has all the hay in front of him that he can/wants to eat, so I think they should both be fine with the current arrangement?


Re: Weight Gain Woes

 

I just completed a two month experiment trying to feed two horses together so they would get equal amounts.  Had it down to 9 feedings a day of a ration of a little less than 16 pounds per horse.  The non IR horse was dominant, but they were Fjords , so were willing to eat side by side.  IR horse still got too much.  He just chewed faster.

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Gail Russell 8/30/2008

 

 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Gail%20and%20Brother%20-%20Odin%20-%20Decaffe%20%20-Gunthar .


Re: Weight Gain Woes

lindsaykrauland@...
 

Kirsten, yes, you are correct that there's a chance the other horse is eating more than his share of the hay. I've not separated the horses and weighed Audi's hay apart from his buddy's. That said, the hay nets are never allowed to run out, so Audi has the opportunity to eat as much as he wants. I realize there could be a chance that he's not chewing thoroughly and/or isn't fully digesting his hay, but all in all, I don't think that really explains his inability to gain. He's been on his improved diet for more than a month now, and the diet is providing a significant number of calories & nutrients in a form that should be easy for him to chew and digest.  Since he was previously receiving *far* less bagged feed, I think he should have showed some gain by now if his main problem had been his lack of/inability to derive nutrition from hay. However, he really isn't showing any significant change in body condition that I can appreciate. I think that highly suggests something else is going on, but please someone correct me if I am wrong.

There's such a wide variation in test prices! Interesting!

I pulled blood this morning for Audi's new labs. I should have the chem panel results by the end of the day, as they are running that in-house. I also requested ACTH & insulin. Interestingly, I noticed  that A&M lists insulin as a referral, and the lab they send out to is Cornell's. Bah!

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Lindsay in TX 2020

Audi Case History:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Lindsay%20and%20Audi

Audi Photo Album:
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=248156 


Re: Scooter's newest case history is posted. His IR calculator result says he has uncompensated IR. Is this good/bad? and what do I need to do?

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Idexx doesn't do ferritin so must have sent it to KSU. The reference range listed is KSUs. The result would be milk iron overload **but** ferritin is as fragile as ACTH and unless it was processed correctly, shipped in a plastic tube and kept frozen the whole time, it's probably not accurate. It  may be higher.  Just keep his mineral ratios tight.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
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