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Re: Adiponectin

Helen Connor
 

Thanks, Sherry. I saw Nancy's post. I was just seeking clarification. Thanks for that.


Helen Connor and Blessing (IR/PPID)
Scappoose, OR

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Helen Connor and Blessing (IR/PPID)
Scappoose, OR
Member since May 2017
Case History:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Helen%20and%20Blessing
Photo Album:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=6847


Re: Metformin - Why, When and How to Use

Clare Summers
 

That’s a great document, thank you Martha for your hard work!

Would it be possible to share some of the references used? Obviously referencing in an Article format is time consuming, but if you could include a few of the reference articles it helps when we’re discussing this with our veterinarian and gives it/us more credibility.

Thank you :)
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Clare in NS, Canada 2020
Cory; IR/EMS 2000 ASB mare


Re: Adiponectin

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Helen,

Perhaps you missed Nancy's recent post with regard to leptin testing?  https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/message/253175

However, with regard to your question - in the US adiponectin does not replace leptin testing.




Adiponectin

Helen Connor
 

I just want to confirm that we in the U.S. are NOT including adiponectin in our Cornell bloodwork, but the U.K. does. Adiponectin does NOT replace leptin, right?


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Helen Connor and Blessing (IR/PPID)
Scappoose, OR
Member since May 2017
Case History:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Helen%20and%20Blessing
Photo Album:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=6847


Re: Bloodwork after first laminitic episode

Lorna Cane
 

Hi Kelly,

Here is your photo Album link,for your signature.
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=251736

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Lorna  in Eastern  Ontario
2002
Check out FAQ : https://www.ecirhorse.org/FAQ.php


Re: Bloodwork after first laminitic episode

Kelly Gilmartin
 

I will add ASAP but I am traveling for work and away from the file needed.....


3/14/2009 TRH Stim pre 21.6pg/mL (range 1-40) post 185 pg/mL (range 9-110)
added 1 mg prascend

repeat TRH 6/21/2019
pre; 76.6 ( but was having breathing problems and was nebluzing dex) 
post: 93.7 

I am getting all my files together to add to complete case history and trying to make a link to my photos for xrays

thank you so much for your time and advice

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Kelly Gilmartin/Buddy
Western Massachusetts 
member since 2019
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Kelly%20and%20Apostrophe%20GCH


Re: Posting a new photo

Patricia Evans
 

I just posted a photo of Snickers front hoof. My vet said she thought it was the start of an auto-immune issue and wanted me to start applying a dex paste to his coronary band to "control" it, which I refused. I thought it was just his normal hoof growing out, but when I took pics and was able to see it close up on the screen, it does look different. Has anyone seen an example of a hoof based auto-immune disease in a horse? I looked it up on Google, but every picture looked very different from this and he has NO coronary band bumps, blisters, drainage, etc. Any ideas? She has me worried now. He is IR, possibly beginning PPID, but his ACTH was within range when his blood was taken in June and he had been off the Prascend for a month at that time, and was only on the Prascend during the seasonal rise last year.
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Patricia 

North central Florida

July 7 2018

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Patricia%20and%20Dancer%20and%20Nathan
Dancer:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=66069

Nathan:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=94152
Snickers 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=241740 


Re: Posting a new photo

Patricia Evans
 


Posting a new photo

Patricia Evans
 

OK, I don't know what I did, but I can't get a new photo to post and I can't seem to be able to fix it. I can find my photo album, Patricia and Snickers, with his last two radiographs in it, but there are no clickable blue buttons. Can some one help me with this please? 
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Patricia 

North central Florida

July 7 2018

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Patricia%20and%20Dancer%20and%20Nathan
Dancer:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=66069

Nathan:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=94152
Snickers 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=241740 


Re: Rule Change at FDA would raise compounded drug prices by 300% or more #legalityofpergolide

Carol
 

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Carol Walters

On Sun, Aug 9, 2020 at 11:43 PM Barbara Rosensteel <brosensteel9@...> wrote:
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Re: Uncontrolled founder pain

Suzie
 

Filaree drank a decent amount of water after I sent my email this morning. She's lying flat down, groaning softly and nibbling-half-heartedly on a few strands of soaked hay I put next to her. Maybe the meds I syringed are beginning to take affect. Fingers crossed!

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Suzie Kirkwood
Descanso, CA
2020
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Suzie%20and%20Filaree 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=250438 


Re: We are getting there...

Judy and Bugsy
 

Thanks Lavinia,

Trimmer was out and I've posted the post-trim pictures in Bugsy's album.  I'm thinking there needs to be more top down rasping to address the flares and I'm also wondering about if the bevel on all 4 feet is back far enough??
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Judy and Bugsy

Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada

Feb. 25, 2020

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Judy%20and%20Bugsy
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=243358

 




Re: Update on Flirt

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Roger,

There's almost no doubt that the improved trim is going a long way to make Flirt feel better.   If you consider that some of his insulin production may be related to pain, as his trim is improved and he is in less pain from that there may be more on an insulin drop in the future.

I would think, as we recommend with NSAIDs that you may want to slowly decrease Flirt's Tylenol dose so you don't see a rebound effect but aim for having him off of it completely within 2 weeks or so.


As far as the hay balancing, you can find a list of approved balancers in the files: https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/files/6%20Diet%20Balancing and scroll down to the file named Hay Balancing.pdf.




Re: Update on Flirt

Roger Benson
 

Thank you Dr. Kellon.  
Can you explain why you think metformin may not be working to reduce insulin levels, and why it might still be beneficial for pain control?  

Flirt has been on L-Car since early January when his insulin was greater than 200.  Do you think the L-Car is working more effectively than the metformin did?

I intend to experiment with his dosing of Tylenol.  There is no question that his comfort level has improved.  I am beginning to think that the improved trim has made a HUGE difference in comfort for him and may be the biggest factor for his improvement.  I will post new hoof pictures later this week after his trim on Thursday.

I thought the ratio of calcium and phosphorus was out of whack in the hay test results and made for bad hay.  Now high iron is noted.  Need to do more research.  Suggestions are invited.  

Would you agree that sugar and starch are within the acceptable range?  

Thank you again


Roger & Flirt
January 2018  Atwater, Minnesota
Flirts Case History
Flirt's Photos


Re: Island Horse 14%Supplement / WAS Insulin Bloodwork...increasing

Lorna Cane
 


For our Vancouver Island members,

Just to make this supplement info easy to find, if necessary in the future, I've changed Subject Line, and added esc + starch, received from TopShelf this morning.

Protein Sources: Peas,Lysine HCl
Fibre Sources: Dehydrated alfalfa, wheat millrun
Minerals: Limestone,mono dicalcium phosphate, salt, copper sulphate, manganese oxide, manganese sulphate, zinc sulphate, zinc oxide, ferrous sulphate, calcium iodate, cobalt sulphate, selenium yeast, zinc methionine complex, copper lysine complex, cobalt glucoheptonate
Vitamins: A, D3, E H2 (biotin)
Energy Sources: Oil
Additives: Yeast culture
To be fed at 250 g ( ~1 1/3 cups) daily to 1000 pound horse.

The ESC is 3.14%

The Starch is 12.81%

So even if starch is not the 42% reported during our searches, it is still way, way too high for our compromised horses.

I'm going to ask company about discrepancy anyway.

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Lorna  in Eastern  Ontario
2002
Check out FAQ : https://www.ecirhorse.org/FAQ.php


Re: Uncontrolled founder pain

Suzie
 

After tapering down to a 250 pound daily dosey of banamine and holding that for 4 days, we stopped the banamine yesterday. This morning Filaree would not eat the bucket with her tramadol and metformin even with sugar free peppermint candy in it. She laid down all night, pooped and peed where she laid. I got her up to take off the Numotizine poultice and put her Cloud boots back on. She laid back down close to the fence. With much effort we got her up again and syringed her meds and moved her into the arena where she has more room and softer footing. She's not eating or drinking this morning. This is pretty scary, since she lives to eat! I have a different vet coming tomorrow afternoon to check her out. Our regular vet is coming Thursday afternoon to take blood to recheck her insulin levels and take more xrays. I hope she can stand long enough, even with nerve blocks. I'm trying hard to follow Dr K's instructions, but she's not here and it's getting harder. Filaree was pretty alert and cooperative during her trim last Wednesday. She's feeling much worse now.

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Suzie Kirkwood
Descanso, CA
2020
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Suzie%20and%20Filaree 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=250438 


Metformin - Why, When and How to Use

Nancy C
 
Edited

A new doc with general information about Metformin is now available in the FILES.

ECIR PR volunteer Martha compiled this to help answer general questions that come up often about this drug.

https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/files/4%20Insulin%20Resistance/Metformin/Metformin%2008.08.20%20FINAL.pdf

Many thanks Martha!!!
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Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
ECIR Group Inc. President/Treasurer  2019-2020
Join us at the 2021 NO Laminitis! Conference, August 12-15, Harrisburg, PA


Re: Bloodwork after first laminitic episode

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Could you please put your TRH Stim results in your case history?
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Bloodwork after first laminitic episode

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

We don't have seasonally adjusted values for the TRH stimulation but it's early in the rise so a glaringly abnormal test would likely be abnormal.  Send directly to Cornell using their sample protocol.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Bloodwork after first laminitic episode

Kelly Gilmartin
 

Hi,
l am having metabolic panel at Cornell run again, an ACTH and a repeat TRH stim along with the iron stuff from KSU. We just had a laminitic episode and I pulled him off pasture and am only feeding soaked and rinsed beet pulp without molasses and his supplements.

my question is, how should I interpret the bloodwork given we are in the seasonal rise? Should I do bloodwork or wait? I am just fearful he will have another bout of laminitis if I don’t check but not sure how one will be able to interpret those results given our time fo year. 
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Kelly Gilmartin/Buddy
Western Massachusetts 
member since 2019
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Kelly%20and%20Apostrophe%20GCH

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