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Re: trying to upload case history folder

Kirsten Rasmussen
 

I'm hoping you convinced your vet to test baseline insulin-glucose, after Tina has had access to hay for at least 4 hours?

If her body condition really is a 9/9, then I would strongly advise weighing her hay so she doesn't overeat and can start to loose some pounds ASAP.  More details on that in your welcome letter, but ask if you have questions.  I have a voracious eater, too, and 24/7 hay is just not possible for him, he'll eat til he bursts.

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Kirsten and Shaku (IR) - 2019
Kitimat, BC, Canada
ECIR Group Moderator
 
Shaku's Case History  
Shaku's Photo Album   


Re: trying to upload case history folder

Kirsten Rasmussen
 

Hi Patsy, it's there, good job!  We do need you to add a link to your Case History FOLDER to your signature please.  Instructions are:

1) Go to this link to amend your auto-signature: https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/editsub

2) Look at the bottom of that page for your existing signature,  and paste the link to it below your name, then hit enter to turn the link blue.

3) Scroll to the bottom and hit SAVE!


Your link to copy and paste is:
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Patsy%20and%20Tina

And yes, it gets easier so you will get used go it.  Took me a while to figure it out too, but I did....  :)

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Kirsten and Shaku (IR) - 2019
Kitimat, BC, Canada
ECIR Group Moderator
 
Shaku's Case History  
Shaku's Photo Album   


Re: invokana . increased water consumption

celestinefarm
 

Who tries to "regulate" a horse's water?  I try to get as much water in a horse as I possibly can , as Laura said, to try to prevent colic. Glad you were able to inform barn owner, but I would keep my eye on his water buckets for a while.  
It doesn't matter if Invokana causes more thirst or dryer hay, or just a horse that drinks a lot. Depriving a horse of water because they don't want to strip out so many shavings is a horrible thing to do. 

Regarding the shavings, I use pellets in my mares stalls because they tend to pee a lot, especially Juniper. I use pellets on the floor and top over with shavings.  it keeps the shavings remarkably clean and dry and it takes the pellets several days before they need to be replaced. I go through a bag of pellets every five days or so and I can get almost a week before I need to refill a full bag of shavings into the stall.  Perhaps you can ask if you can provide pellets for Jesse's pee spots. My stalls are 12x12 and I use Guardian Pine Pellets.  Any Large Flake shavings will work.
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Dawn Wagstaff and Tipperary   

Saline, MI  2003

Tipperary Case History

Juniper Case history: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Dawn%20and%20Juniper/Case%20history%20Juniper.pdf .


Re: invokana . increased water consumption

gypsylassie
 

I agree LJ.  I would never restrict water unless there was a very good medical reason.   Colic is often waiting in the wings for something like not enough water to set it off.  
Laura K Chappie & Beau over the bridge
2011 N IL 


Re: Question regarding bloodwork for horse on Metformin

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Hi Mara,

That glucose value is too low to be accurate. As glucose is the most fragile of the parameters being sampled, the most likely cause is mishandling of the sample - usually, the blood wasn't separated quickly enough or possible the sample got too warm during shipping. This will affect the ratios negatively too.

Unfortunately, the problem with the glucose value is a red flag that the insulin value may not be accurate too.

You can upload the picture of the CBC results to a photo album but you need a .pdf or .doc to upload to your case history folder. Can you ask your vet to email you a copy of the CBC results?

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Lavinia, George Too, Calvin (PPID) and Dinky (PPID/IR)
Nappi, George and Dante Over the Bridge
Jan 05, RI
Moderator ECIR


Question regarding bloodwork for horse on Metformin

Mara
 

Hi. My horse foundered at the end of June. We were having trouble controlling the pain, so we took Dr. Kellon's suggestion to try J-herb and Metformin. I waited a bit to check insulin/glucose. new numbers are in our case history. His insulin came down a lot, and he is in the reference range. His glucose is well below the reference range, is that an issue?

Also, his ratio, etc. are not good. What should I be expecting there? Could that strictly be weight related? He has lost some, but needs to lose more. I am hoping the walking will help.

I also ran a CBC, just because he has been on NSAIDs and now the Metformin. I want to post the results, but my vet only texted a picture of them to me. I need to figure out how to get them into my file here. One of the flags was low platelet count (75 thou/uL, reference range 94-232). 

Thanks! 

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Mara
NJ
2020
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Mara%20and%20Enzo/?ord=dirname&d=asc


invokana . increased water consumption

LJ Friedman
 

The new barn I’m at does not use auto waterers because they like to know how much a horse is drinking. Last month I was asked to pay more for shavings because  jesse urinates so much. Today I looked at the 2-5gallon pails in his stall for night time where he is from 5 PM until 6 AM and I noticed the buckets were only half full. And the other horses were all full. When I asked about it the barn owner told me oh, he was trying to regulate jesse‘s water because he is so surprised that he drinks so much between six and 9:30 PM.I let him know that I give the invokana at 3:30 PM and his thirst seems to increase for that time. I also let him know that it’s a disaster to limit his water intake so that cannot fly. If anything, add another 5 gallon pail.    if the 2  buckets are ever dry,  that is a complete fail. So we shall see. Of course I have to get myself a little credit as I was aware of the pails didn’t look right.
sometimes I think the Equine gods send me signs because they want Jesse to live a long time.
The barn owner is asking me to send him some data about the increased water intake?  If anyone has anything available that would be helpful. Just a reminder jesse has three different homes during the day. And the BO notices he doesn’t drink that much in the two stalls that he’s in in the earlier part of the day but only in the evening and that’s when he gets the invokana.  I’m thinking that I put an end to the water regulation. How hilarious and tragic at the same time  . I Jesse does continue to be a very happy horse
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LJ Friedman  Nov 2014 Vista,   Northern  San Diego, CA

Jesse and majestic ‘s Case History 
Jesse's Photos

 


download case history for second horse to folder

Buzz
 


-- I have been trying to download my case history to my folder and can't get it completed.  I recently have another horse diagnosed with PPID and would so appreciate some help getting her history included in the group.  I have the CH saved in a pdf. on my drive. I am using an android tablet. Thank you!
Buzzem TN  2017


Re: trying to upload case history folder

Patsy
 


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Patsy  Whittlesea, Victoria  Australia  2020 

Many thanks for all that Martha.  I have tried again, think it is there now, could you check for me, I really am struggling with finding my way around this group and website.  Tina had bloods taken for glucose and insulin yesterday.  When I get results I may need guidance in regards to Metformin.  Do I put it in case history or email or both?  Lots of great info and people here, guess I will get used it finding it eventually.  Cheers, Patsy from Australia


Summer update, APF and TC safe starch questions

Nancy & Vinnie & Summer
 

Hi all,

After Summer had a gas colic on Monday 8/5 we ended up pulling her off prascend to give her a little break, start her on APF and resolve her tummy issues.  She had been on .50mg of prascend for 9 days before the colic but was giving me lots of trouble to eat her supplements if you recall.

She has decided that she won't eat her supplements unless they have at least a big handful of safe starch forage mixed in.  I know TC safe starch forage is not a recommended feed, but how worried to I need to be about using about 5 to 8 cups of this feed mixed with about a 2 cups of TC balance cubes so Summer will eat her supplements 2x per day?

We just restarted  her on .25mg prascend after being supplemented with  APF for almost 10 days. I will titrate up to the .50 mg dose over a week period. I am assuming she should also remain on APF. I am giving 3ml 2 times per day. Is this sufficient for an 1100 lb horse?

The great news is that her body condition is improving overall with the changes we have made. I am hoping that treating for Ppid will also help her bad cycles in the long run.
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Nancy and Vinnie and Summer
Oakley, Ca
Joined Nov 2018
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Vinnie 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=245855

Summer
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Vinnie/Summer 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=249104


Grey Horse Melanoma and AAKG

Helen Connor
 

Dr. Kellon,

A friend as two grey Quarterhorses that have been diagnosed, one with IR and one with IR/PPID. The vet believes both have DSLD. These horses are in their 20s. Their dam had grey horse melanoma but my friend says it wasn't a problem for mare. The sons are developing masses in their mouths and on their genitalia. 

Recently, my friend read that AAKG should not be used on horses that have "malignancies." Does this mean that she should not use it to boost the effectiveness of J-herb, since her horses have active grey horse melanomas? 

Thank you.
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Helen Connor and Blessing (IR/PPID)
Scappoose, OR
Member since May 2017
Case History:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Helen%20and%20Blessing
Photo Album:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=6847


Re: Jiaogulan

Helen Connor
 

Dr. Kellon, I'm confused about this recent series of messages on J-herb.

I thought I was told to mix J-herb with a little water to make a paste (which is does nicely). Blessing has been using it this way for nearly 3 years. Now I see it should be mixed with oil instead of water? Are we switching to oil in our recommendations?

Thank you for clarifying.
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Helen Connor and Blessing (IR/PPID)
Scappoose, OR
Member since May 2017
Case History:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Helen%20and%20Blessing
Photo Album:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=6847


Re: Jiaogulan

Susan
 


Re: Triple Crown Naturals Golden Flax

Deb Walker
 

Kelly - I used the pre-ground flax for a year or so, and then discovered that I could greatly reduce my cost by grinding my own flax. It's quick and easy and saves me money.
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Deb and Scotty I/R, PPID
Pecatonica Illinois, May 13, 2019
Case History:
 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Deb%20and%20Scotty
Photos:
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=90619


Re: Help for Teeny immature neutrophils high CPK

TERRI JENNINGS
 

I finally got the last part of Teeny's bloodwork (CBC).  It is uploaded in my case history.  
I requested that the vet call Cornell to have them run a Lyme test last week and they did.  It was negative.  I do not have the paper copy of the result.

Teeny continues to not want to eat her full ration of Timothy Balance Cubes.  She seems to be as energetic as usual but she is getting skinnier by the day.  I caught her eating shavings the other day.  She also tried to eat a big piece of bark when I put her in the  round pen for a few minutes while I hosed out her stall.  I took it from her of course but this is not typical behavior for this little old lady.  

We are quite concerned about her and the vet is unsure how to proceed.  Any help is greatly appreciated.  
Thanks,
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Terri Jennings with Teeny, Finn and Elliott
Arcata, CA
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Terri%20and%20Teeny
Joined 2019


Phytoquench

 

Hello
Can Phytoquench and Laminox be given together? Is Phytoquench used primarily for pain relief ? I’m a bit confused as some reviews say it offered pain relief and made laminitic horses more comfortable ?  While other reviews says it helped allergies /immune function? I’m considering adding it to my mares supplements-shes been getting Laminox since her acute bout of steroid induced laminitis in June ...she also has allergies ...so I’m wondering if I gave both would I get double benefit of pain and allergy relief?!?
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Michele Goldberg
Bernville, Pa 
joined 5/19/2016


Re: Invokana- How can I get it for my horse

Kelly Gilmartin
 

Thanks Dr Kellon,
I am awaiting bloodwork from
Cornell. We had a recent bout of laminitis so I am really scared but I will wait for the results and your expert guidance. This group is a Godsend to me


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Kelly Gilmartin/Buddy
Western Massachusetts
member since 2019
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Kelly%20and%20Apostrophe%20GCH/BuddyCaseHistoryAug2020.pdf

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=251736


Re: Jiaogulan

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

No, it won't dissolve. You might have better luck mixing it evenly into ground flax. The color is so obvious you should be able to see if there is even distribution and the flax has enough fat that it shouldn't settle out.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Jiaogulan

Susan
 

They included a small scoop that holds 1 gram - according to their measurements. By  eye - I divide the total amount of the scoop in half. So I'm feeding at the high end.  I have ordered a milligram scale. I also tried mixing 1 gram  with 50 ml water in a dosing syringe and giving a portion, but I found that it's not easy to get an even distribution in water. It doesn't seem to dissolve.
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Susan in BC 2020
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Susan%20and%20Copper%20and%20Ella


Re: Invokana- How can I get it for my horse

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Kelly,

I don't blame your vet for being uncomfortable. She/he has probably never even heard of it. I have an information file for vets but since your insulin ( in the CH) wasn't horribly high I would try  metformin first.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001

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